From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue May 31 14:01:05 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA23696; Tue, 31 May 1994 14:01:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 31 May 94 14:00:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9405311800.AA14799@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0069; Tue, 31 May 94 14:00:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4166; Tue, 31 May 1994 14:00:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3724; Tue, 31 May 94 11:01:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9156; Tue, 31 May 1994 11:00:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:48:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris Moore Subject: Re: Flutist with Tendonitis- Trying to Contact To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: "Nelson R. Pardee" "Flutist with Tendonitis- Trying to Contact" (May 31, 10:34am) "Any information, a flute discussion list, etc., would be appreciated." Nelson, this is a bit of a long shot, but when I read your message, I thought of Dr. John Chong at McMaster University, here in Hamilton Ontario. I don't know if he is on the Internet (McMaster is MCMASTER.CA), but maybe someone who knows (of) him will read this and jump in. Dr. Chong, as I understand it, used to be a concert pianist, and had to give up because of tendonitis or some other repetitive strain injury. He is now a physician specializing in repetitive strain injuries. A friend of mine goes to him and has had very positive results. Correction, it's not McMaster University, but rather Chedoke-McMaster Hospitals. Chris Moore Hamilton, ON From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue May 31 15:06:35 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA23828; Tue, 31 May 1994 15:06:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 31 May 94 15:06:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9405311906.AA15541@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0841; Tue, 31 May 94 15:05:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6109; Tue, 31 May 1994 15:04:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8253; Tue, 31 May 94 12:04:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5498; Tue, 31 May 1994 12:04:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:00:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: OCC-MED and Flautists X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND This is another mailng list to try --- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: PMDF Mailserv V4.2 Subject: Welcome to OCC-ENV-MED-L Occupational & Environmental medicine represents a growing clinical and public health discipline, seeking to evaluate and prevent the diseseases and health effects that may be related to exposures at work and from other environments (eg pollution). The Occup-Env Med Mail-list provides a moderated forum for announcements, dissemination of text files and academic discussion. The forum is designed to allow presentation of clinical vignettes, synopses of new regulatory issues and reports of interesting items from publications elsewhere (both the medical and the non-medical journals). The Association of Occupational & Environmental Clinics represents the first nucleus of members for the list, and will use the list for announcements. AOEC members are either: A) interested clinics with approved credentials documenting expertise in Occupational & Environmental Medicine B) individuals interested in sharing this topic, but who have no requirement to show advanced training or expertise Professional affiliations of the Mail-list subscribers will include: Occupational Physicians and Nurses Industrial Hygienists Government Public Health officials University investigators and regulators in Occupat & Environ Med diseases From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue May 31 23:03:06 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA24986; Tue, 31 May 1994 23:03:04 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 31 May 94 22:34:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406010234.AA21306@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4848; Tue, 31 May 94 22:34:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6005; Tue, 31 May 1994 21:20:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0895; Tue, 31 May 94 18:20:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4380; Tue, 31 May 1994 18:20:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 21:20:01 -0400 Reply-To: Dan Wallach Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Wallach Subject: Re: UUCP command executi... X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 30 May 1994 20:25:45 EDT. >"Your UUCP remote execution request 'ig2Ab942' (5/28-2:55:14) >failed on system 'ig2'. >Your request: rmail pc035b.att.com!m34djm >Reason for failure: command exited with exit code 139" This is a problem with AT&T. I've tried to help them figure out this problem, but it's hard to say. It appears that SOREHAND is generating a header that their mailer doesn't like. I'll continue to pursue this. Everybody else should basically ignore the crap. By the way, this kind of junk happens to me every month when I post my FAQ. This is one of the major problems with mailing lists, that newsgroups were designed to solve. *Sigh* -- Dan Wallach "One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.princeton.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Phone#: 609-683-4673 of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. (Home page) http://www.cs.princeton.edu/grad/dwallach/ (finger for PGP key) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 1 12:11:45 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA27657; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 12:11:39 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Jun 94 12:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406011611.AA29060@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0257; Wed, 01 Jun 94 12:11:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0637; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 12:11:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2299; Wed, 01 Jun 94 09:11:02 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0425; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:11:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 08:46:17 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Music X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Nelson Pardee writes: >My 17 year old daughter is a flutist attending the Crane School of >Music in the fall. She was diagnosed two years ago withs diagnosed >"pre-carpal tunnel" and tendonitis; she lives with pain all of the >time. I would like to do anything I can to keep her from being >disabled before she is 21! Any information, a flute discussion list, >etc., would be appreciated. My doctor, also known as one of the most active of RSI treaters in Northern California, is Robert Markison. He is interesting for several reasons. He is a hand surgeon who tries not to do surgery. He believes in self-hypnosis and all of his patients wear fingerless gloves to promote warmth in the hands for circulation and to preserve the lubricating quality of our synovial fluids that surround tendons, joints, etc. Oh, and by the way, he is a musician. A pretty accomplished jazz clarinetist. I think he plays flute, too. He's also a garage tinkerer who has redesigned instruments and their keys to get the hands into correct postures with less stress during playing. He has also had RSI problems. He has written an article specific to the needs of musicians that I apologize for not having the reference to (and also for ending that sentence with a preposition). Perhaps someone else has it, or you might call the office (I hope they don't get flooded!) at 415/956-2525. They might even be able to refer people to treaters in other parts of the country who deal with musicians. Dale Rogers writes re:Onsight: >I am curious as to what services your company provides. Onsight offers training and workstation evaluation services for computer users. I continue to research the product market to be able to recommend products. I am available for phone consultation. Onsight also is a dealer for Silicon Sports wrist support products, Visionary Software's LifeGuard reminder program and their coming ErgoKnowledge CD-ROM training program, and Handeze gloves. If you would like literature, send your address by private email. My resource guide - which overlaps Dan's FAQ but also lists many ergonomic catalog sources - can be had for five bucks. And it looks better. An updated edition will be ready this week. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 1 20:27:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA29183; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:27:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Jun 94 20:27:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406020027.AA06764@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5504; Wed, 01 Jun 94 20:27:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4538; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:27:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3168; Wed, 01 Jun 94 17:27:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9706; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 17:27:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:26:44 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: OCC-MED and Flautists X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am not clear, for the benefit of all, can you specificly how to subscribe? Is this a mailing list or newsgroup? Thank you in advance Evan Kay OTR/C EKay@aol.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 1 20:33:06 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA29211; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:33:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Jun 94 20:00:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9406020000.AA06336@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5320; Wed, 01 Jun 94 20:00:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4086; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:00:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1646; Wed, 01 Jun 94 17:00:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4947; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 17:00:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 19:58:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Physiatrist in Boston X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND SOme people have asked me for contact info for Dr James Sarni in Boston: James Sarni MD New Englsand Med Ctr Spine and Sports Medicine 617-956-5270 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 00:41:50 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA00538; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 00:41:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 00:41:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9406020441.AA00882@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7174; Thu, 02 Jun 94 00:41:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8860; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 00:41:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2702; Wed, 01 Jun 94 21:41:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2424; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 21:41:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 18:30:53 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Wrist Support X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Since there has been a recent thread about wrist splints, I thought this would be a good time to share my current sense of the topic. First a dire warning not to become dependent on them. Although they provide relief for many people, it is a severe mistake to wear them all the time. Muscles atrophy and tighten when not used, as do tendons. In the process of trying to heal and rest, one can exacerbate the situation by weakening the very tissues that need to recover. These tissues NEED some degree of use and movement, and normal, unloaded movements on occasion are highly unlikely to aggravate your injury. Others would suggest that the very nerve pathways become silent and the brain loses its connection to some degree. Next, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, choose a splint yourself off the shelf or out of a catalog. There are a million of them out there, and the differences in design are for a reason. Some restrict the thumb more than others. The angle of the wrist is critical, depending on whether your injury involves flexion or extension. Some are more breathable than others, so may be intended only for very short periods of wearing. Some extend farther into the forearm than the others, rigidly fixing the wrist, while others allow a limited range of movement. All of these issues must be taken into account on advice of a trusted treatment provider. It is also a concern that in the process of restricting the wrist, pressure points and undue musculotendonous strain can be caused at the inevitable moments when the wrist tries to move and is stopped by the brace. It is also possible, of course, that a brace may be put on too tight, restricting circulation. They are generally considered of value at the most acute stage of injury. They also are helpful for people who tend to bend the wrists while they sleep. I subscribe to the idea that the forces which bear on the hand during computing are played out through the movement of all of our joints - the fingers, wrist, elbow and shoulder. When any one of them is held fast, the actual physical forces redistribute to the other areas, giving them more than their share. This is why I hesitate to recommend articulating elbow support for everyone, and why you should spend part of your time with your wrist on a support when typing to relieve static load on the extensors, and part of the time with the wrists elevated so the whole arm can move. (All of this assuming, of course, that the keyboard is at the right height and in front of you.) The conclusion that follows is, restricting the wrist adds strain to the elbow and shoulder. Braces have taken on the status of the iconic symbol of repetitive strain. This is very unfortunate. They are not a catch all, and the dangers of misuse are very real. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco gary_karp@faludi.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 03:35:32 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id DAA00945; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 03:35:30 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 03:35:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406020735.AA02800@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7746; Thu, 02 Jun 94 03:35:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0285; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 03:35:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6815; Thu, 02 Jun 94 00:35:25 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8046; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 00:35:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 03:43:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: John Dunning Subject: Footswitches To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I'm interested in getting a footswitch for use with a Macintosh, but I haven't seen them advertised anywhere. I believe Curtis makes one. Does anyone know if their footswitch is only compatible with Curtis mice and trackballs? I'd like to get a switch that is compatible with a number of devices. Has anyone here had experience with footswitches that they'd like to pass on? Thanks, John ______________________________________________________________________________ John Dunning jdunning@phoenix.princeton.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 04:43:12 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id EAA01047; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 04:43:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 04:43:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9406020843.AA03488@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7868; Thu, 02 Jun 94 04:42:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0607; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 04:42:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7596; Thu, 02 Jun 94 01:43:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8698; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 01:43:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 01:42:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Warren F. Seltzer" Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 30 May 1994 to 31 May 1994 X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jun 94 00:02:39 PDT." <199406010709.AAA10252@netcom.com> >>My 17 year old daughter is a flutist attending the Crane School of >> Music in the fall. She was diagnosed two years ago withs diagnosed... Dr. Emil Pascarelli of the Miller Institute for Performing Artists and several other hospitals in NYC has co-written a book about RSI that is mainly for us Computer-Types, but is based on knowledge gained from years of working on musicians. He and the institute emphasize RE-TRAINING. Buy the book. Take your daughter to the Miller Institute (at St Lukes/Roosevelt Hospital in NYC), or BOTH... Book is "Repetitive Strain Injury", ISBN 0-471-59533-0, $14.95 I learned about it from this group... Warren F. Seltzer seltzer@acm.org Just East of Seattle From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 11:44:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA01660; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:44:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 11:45:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021545.AA07971@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1212; Thu, 02 Jun 94 11:44:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9769; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:44:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3696; Thu, 02 Jun 94 08:44:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1255; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:44:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:42:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Wrist Support X-To: "Gary L. Karp" X-Cc: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406020442.AA07739@world.std.com> Gary, good message! For what it's worth my OT fels the same way. She did recommend that I keep one (for my right arm) in the car, because driving for more than 30 minutes or so causes me pain and the support is a good idea there. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 11:55:29 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA01687; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:55:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 11:55:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021555.AA08170@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1341; Thu, 02 Jun 94 11:55:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0124; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:55:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4522; Thu, 02 Jun 94 08:55:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1855; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:55:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:51:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Footswitches X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406020737.AA28392@world.std.com> On Thu, 2 Jun 1994, John Dunning wrote: > I'm interested in getting a footswitch for use with a Macintosh, but I > haven't seen them advertised anywhere. I believe Curtis makes one. Does > anyone know if their footswitch is only compatible with Curtis mice and John, the Curtis footswitch has a telephone-wire type connector, not an ADB connector, and only works with Curtis trackballs. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 11:59:45 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA01698; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:59:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 11:59:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021559.AA08231@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1383; Thu, 02 Jun 94 11:59:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0251; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:59:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4833; Thu, 02 Jun 94 08:59:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2124; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:59:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:49:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: SOREHAND Digest - 30 May 1994 to 31 May 1994 To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi, everyone. I just signed on to Sorehand, and already I've got two sources to check out for more information. I'm a professional editor and amateur writer who grew up using computers, and my wrists are finally calling time out. Boy, is it frustrating to have to stop working on a story because it hurts too much to type. It's like being impotent: not being able to carry your passion through to its natural conclusion. Thanks for the below message on Pascarelli's book. I get tendonitis of the just about everything, so I hope to learn a lot. Karen Whitehouse kwhitehouse@computer.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 30 May 1994 to 31 May 1994 Author: @CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET@INTERNET at CCROUTER Date: 6/2/94 1:42 AM >>Book is "Repetitive Strain Injury", ISBN 0-471-59533-0, $14.95 >>I learned about it from this group... Warren F. Seltzer seltzer@acm.org Just East of Seattle From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 13:39:37 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA02131; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:39:35 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 13:39:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021739.AA10442@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2712; Thu, 02 Jun 94 13:39:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3980; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:39:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1252; Thu, 02 Jun 94 10:39:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7647; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 10:39:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 10:37:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Footswitches X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I'm interested in getting a footswitch for use with a Macintosh, but I > haven't seen them advertised anywhere. I believe Curtis makes one. Does > anyone know if their footswitch is only compatible with Curtis mice and > trackballs? I'd like to get a switch that is compatible with a number of > devices. Has anyone here had experience with footswitches that they'd like > to pass on? > I bought a foot switch and attached it to a trackball. The foot switch was bought from Linemaster Switch Corporation 29 Plaine Hilll Road, P.O. Box 238 Woodstock, CT 06281-0238 Tel (203) 974-1000 The model is Junior Switch 121-S. I replaced its stiff spring with a softer one. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 13:54:33 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA02176; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:54:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 13:54:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021754.AA10799@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2853; Thu, 02 Jun 94 13:54:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4398; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:54:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2165; Thu, 02 Jun 94 10:54:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8489; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 10:54:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:52:51 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: HMIMAN@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Wrist Support X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND SOREHAND has been a great education for me, but I think it's turning me into a hypochondriac. Does anyone else's hands tingle as you read through the daily dose? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 14:18:18 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA02291; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:18:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 14:18:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021818.AA11413@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3155; Thu, 02 Jun 94 14:18:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5150; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 14:18:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3637; Thu, 02 Jun 94 11:18:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9687; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:18:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:14:46 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dana Bergen Subject: Re: Wrist Support X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A physical therapist recommended flexible neoprene splints for me, but the ones she gave me were pull-on and it killed my wrists to put them on or take them off! (i.e. it hurt my right hand to put the left one on and vice-versa.) I found some with velcro in the Self-Care Catalog which I like a lot better. They provide a surprising amount of support while not interfering at all with the use of my hands. I've found them very helpful for driving and hand-writing. Dana dana@sybase.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 2 15:27:46 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA02506; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 15:27:44 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jun 94 15:27:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406021927.AA12915@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4106; Thu, 02 Jun 94 15:27:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7658; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 15:27:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7674; Thu, 02 Jun 94 12:27:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3517; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:27:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:18:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Wrist Support To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Yes, my hands tingle as I read this stuff, but then again, they tingle (what a gentle-sounding word) as I do anything. :-< Karen ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Wrist Support Author: @CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET@INTERNET at CCROUTER Date: 6/2/94 1:52 PM SOREHAND has been a great education for me, but I think it's turning me into a hypochondriac. Does anyone else's hands tingle as you read through the daily dose? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 01:41:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA04756; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 01:41:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 01:41:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406030541.AA22440@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9161; Fri, 03 Jun 94 01:40:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1033; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 01:40:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8246; Thu, 02 Jun 94 22:41:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3029; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:41:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 01:39:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Could someone please send info on how to subscribe to this mailing list from Internet? Thanks. gmartin@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 09:31:25 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA05479; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 09:31:23 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 09:31:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406031331.AA27130@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1161; Fri, 03 Jun 94 09:31:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6771; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 09:30:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9552; Fri, 03 Jun 94 06:29:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2438; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 06:29:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:56:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris Moore Subject: Re: Wrist Support To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: HMIMAN@AOL.COM "Re: Wrist Support" (Jun 2, 1:52pm) "SOREHAND has been a great education for me, but I think it's turning me into a hypochondriac. Does anyone else's hands tingle as you read through the daily dose?" Not exactly, but from the start it has struck me as extremely ironic that all of us sorehand folks are sitting here (and there) doing what hurts us to talk about doing what hurts us! Chris Moore Hamilton, ON, Canada chrism@ccohs.ca From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 10:07:30 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA05584; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 10:07:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 10:07:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9406031407.AA27586@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1897; Fri, 03 Jun 94 10:07:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9552; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 10:07:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1931; Fri, 03 Jun 94 07:07:26 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5905; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 07:07:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:58:04 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Wrist Support X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406031327.AA05611@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Chris Moore" at Jun 3, 94 8:56 am |Not exactly, but from the start it has struck me as extremely ironic that |all of us sorehand folks are sitting here (and there) doing what hurts us |to talk about doing what hurts us! Not everybody. I am not suffering from RSI. I am interested in RSI because I'm a massage therapist. I know too many massage therapist friends that are suffering from RSI to one degree or another. I am getting a great deal of information about the symptoms, probable causes, treatments, and deterants of RSI. Also it is very enlightening that so many people have had "bad" or "non-helpful" experiences with health care professionals. It is very humbling and causes me to want to learn more about it so as not to cause more harm. I am currently a computer professional. Therefore I spend a lot of time in front of the keyboard). I am working into a massage career slowly. My focus will be on "on-site", or corporate massage. That is one reason why RSI and CTS interests me so much. A number of my coworkers have wrists splints. I want to understand the mechanics of their stresses. I am also a musician (guitarist). I want to learn how to protect my body from the kinds of things I'm reading about on this list. It would make me very sad to not be able to play guitar anymore. The doctors usually have their theories. It's refreshing to hear from the people that have been through "the system" and see what the "system" really knows about it. I practice Tai Chi which I find very helpful. I massage the muscle attachments at my forearms and elbows. I take frequent rest breaks. I have begun practicing Do-In. Do-In is a method of Self massage that originated in china, oh... about 500 BC. It involves stretches, accupressure, and swedish techniques (stroking and kneading). I find the attachments very sore at times. This list has heightened my sensitivity to the issues of the stresses that I put on my body. It makes me want to listen to my body that much closer and take care of myself now. I am now aware how terrible the standard keyboard and mouse is. I can feel the strain in my wrist from forcing them to pronate in order to type. I never thought about it before. While I don't have a problem now. I see where continued stress could cause a problem down the road. I thank you all for your honesty and candor. I'm learning alot of things they can't teach you in the massage books. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 11:36:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA05849; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:36:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 11:36:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406031536.AA29011@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2997; Fri, 03 Jun 94 11:36:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2553; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:36:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7685; Fri, 03 Jun 94 08:36:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5756; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:36:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:27:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Wrist Support To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Oh, I agree with Chris completely. I've just spent the early part of my morning ensuring that the rest of my day will be miserable. Karen Whitehouse kwhitehouse@computer.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Not exactly, but from the start it has struck me as extremely ironic that all of us sorehand folks are sitting here (and there) doing what hurts us to talk about doing what hurts us! Chris Moore Hamilton, ON, Canada chrism@ccohs.ca From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 11:59:18 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA05900; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:59:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 11:32:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406031532.AA28967@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2933; Fri, 03 Jun 94 11:32:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2408; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:32:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7406; Fri, 03 Jun 94 08:32:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5539; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:32:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:24:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Wrist Support To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dale- >>I am currently a computer professional. Therefore I spend a lot of >>time in front of the keyboard). I am working into a massage career >>slowly. My focus will be on "on-site", or corporate massage. >>That is one reason why RSI and CTS interests me so much. A number >>of my coworkers have wrists splints. I want to understand the >>mechanics of their stresses. I am also a musician (guitarist). >>I want to learn how to protect my body from the kinds of things I'm >>reading about on this list. It would make me very sad to not be >>able to play guitar anymore. The doctors usually have their >>theories. It's refreshing to hear from the people that have been >>through "the system" and see what the "system" really knows about >>it. Your case is interesting. My roommate locked himself in a closet with an Apple II in 1983 and only comes out occasionally to do things like graduate, move, and get new systems. He uses a computer more than anyone else I know, and he's also a guitarist. I don't know why he doesn't have some RSI; my current theory is that guitar-playing provides a different kind of stress that balances the keyboard/mouse stress, thereby strengthening the whole area. Does anyone else have an theory? Karen Whitehouse Assistant Editor IEEE CG&A/IEEE MultiMedia From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 14:43:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA12872; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:43:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 14:43:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406031843.AA02288@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5163; Fri, 03 Jun 94 14:43:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8067; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:43:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9909; Fri, 03 Jun 94 11:43:18 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9336; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:43:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 13:34:35 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Re[2]: Wrist Support X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406031537.AA05744@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Karen Whitehouse" at Jun 3, 94 8:24 am Your case is interesting. My roommate locked himself in a closet with an Apple II in 1983 and only comes out occasionally to do things like graduate, move, and get new systems. He uses a computer more than anyone else I know, and he's also a guitarist. I don't know why he doesn't have some RSI; my current theory is that guitar-playing provides a different kind of stress that balances the keyboard/mouse stress, thereby strengthening the whole area. Does anyone else have an theory? Karen, First I'd like to say that I'm not a fanatic about pushing my body. If my body feels tired, I try to let it rest. Or at least I change to a different activity, for a while, that uses different muscles. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 3 18:20:38 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA13526; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:20:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jun 94 18:20:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9406032220.AA05700@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7296; Fri, 03 Jun 94 18:20:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3787; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:20:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2609; Fri, 03 Jun 94 15:20:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0006; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 15:20:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:19:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Lijian Zhang Subject: HF engr. position opening X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND We are anticipating a few position openings of Human Factors Engineers in automotive seating design. Interested party may send resume to the address below. ========================================================================== Position Opening: Human Factors Engineer Requirement: BS or MS in Industrial Eningeering or Mechanical Engineering with concentration on Human Factors /Ergonomics (Ideally, BS in Mechanical Engineering and MS in Human Factors). Research experience on sitting comfort and automotive industry experience are highly preferred. Skills: - Excellent communication skill - Able to read blue-print - Computer skill: VAX, and Unix. PC, Windows software (Word, Excel etc.) a must. 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W-4 Warren, MI 48092 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 4 13:09:17 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA15768; Sat, 4 Jun 1994 13:09:15 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 4 Jun 94 13:09:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9406041709.AA14644@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0883; Sat, 04 Jun 94 13:09:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3684; Sat, 4 Jun 1994 13:09:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6276; Sat, 04 Jun 94 10:09:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2266; Sat, 4 Jun 1994 10:09:32 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 13:00:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've been trying to download all of the past archive files for this list into my own computer. Most of the files are pretty large. This list has a limit of 256K bytes it will give you in file downloads per day according to a message I'm receiving. At this rate, it will take me about 7-9 days to get all of these files downloaded. I have one comment and one question in regards to this. First, could this limit be eliminated. It doesn't appear to me that usage of this list is so heavy that any limit is needed. I can't understand why we can't download all of the archive files with one request if we choose to do that. Second, does anyone have these files already downloaded who can send them to me via an E-mail attachment? It might be easiest to compress them first into a single file with a utility like PKZIP, then I could decompress them after I download the .ZIP file. In fact, it would be nice if we could get all of these archive files available to us in a single .ZIP file. It would make downloading them much faster, and would reduce usage of the LISTSERV for these kinds of functions. Thanks. gmartin@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 5 15:12:41 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA17839; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:12:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 5 Jun 94 15:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9406051912.AA26978@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4630; Sun, 05 Jun 94 15:12:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3966; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:12:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6573; Sun, 05 Jun 94 12:12:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5995; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 12:12:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 14:41:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Craig O'Donnell" Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Wrist Support X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406031846.AA06866@world.std.com> On Fri, 3 Jun 1994, Dale R Rogers wrote: > uses a computer more than anyone else I > know, and he's also a guitarist. I don't > know why he doesn't have some RSI; my > current theory is that guitar-playing > provides a different kind of stress that > balances the keyboard/mouse stress, thereby > strengthening the whole area. Does anyone > else have an theory? When it comes to RSI injuries *everyone is different*. I can play bass or guitar a couple time a week for 4 hours with no pain. Some day if I type over 30 minutes every muscle above my waist huts. Go figure. NAnyway, the vaue of a occupational therapist is help9ng uyou understand when to stop BEFORE things ache. In RSIs, the point of ache **beyond the point** of strengthening. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 5 15:22:52 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA17853; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:22:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 5 Jun 94 15:23:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406051923.AA27107@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4670; Sun, 05 Jun 94 15:22:58 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4057; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:22:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8445; Sun, 05 Jun 94 12:23:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7490; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 12:23:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:38:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Exercizes (fwd) X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:31:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig O'Donnell To: "Gary L. Karp" Subject: Re: Exercizes On Sat, 28 May 1994, Gary L. Karp wrote: > Please note that the issue of stretching and exercising is different for every > single one of us. > ... > > So I have started to juggle, play the guitar, and work with a little less > fear. If I flare up, I back off. I find I can do more than I would have > thought, and I think of it like being an athlete in training, working my way > back. I recorded a CD three years ago and have been unable to perform to > promote it. > > To not do anything at all is a big mistake, because you simply allow yourself > to get weak and tight - not to mention depressed from nothing more to do than > worry and get depressed. > Gary, this is very well put. A serious bout of CTD is pshchologically devastating to some of us and stopping everything one enjoys to "get better" makes no sense. Setting limits and enjoying up to those limits does make sense. My OT said a couple things: one is that walking as much as possible is A Good Thing. And being relaxed & aware as you traipse about... Another is that you should keep track of exercises and when you reach the point where it hurts, stop, make a note of the amount of time or number of repetitions, and then exercise *less* the next time. If it stull hurts, make a note and exercise *less* until you're at the point when you stop, you don't ache. Build up from there. These are two additional pieces of commonsensical advice that are unlikely to hurt ANYONE with a CTD injury. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 5 15:23:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA17858; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:22:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 5 Jun 94 15:23:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406051923.AA27115@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4672; Sun, 05 Jun 94 15:23:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4061; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:23:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8465; Sun, 05 Jun 94 12:23:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7503; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 12:23:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:40:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Ergodyne/Handeze Gloves X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199405290437.AA23839@world.std.com> On Sat, 28 May 1994, A. Obermeier wrote: > Does anyone on the list have any experience with Ergodyne's WorkSmart > Adjustable Wrist Rest (it is arched instead of flat) and/or Dome's > Handeze Gloves? There was quite a discussion of the ahdneze gloves and they help many people (remember they are NOT a cure). There is a long writeup in one of the RSI Network Newsletter back issues. The RSI Network Electronic Newsletter Topic Index ================================================= For Issues 1-16, June 1991 to February 1994 The RSI Network Electronic Newsletter For People Concerned About Tendinitis, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, and Other Repetitive Strain Injuries To subscribe, send internet mail to: with the Subject: RSI Subscription Index by Craig O'Donnell 3/12/94 RSI Network#1/June 91 --------------------- Interesting Hardware And Software Interesting Books RSI Network#2/August 91 ----------------------- Contributions Needed Questions From Readers Long-term Disability How To Earn A Living RSI Network#3/October 91 ------------------------ Trigger Release Surgery Doctors, Lawyers, Indian Chiefs The Special Technology Center Ergonomic Resources Employment Services Don't Be A Slacker: Contribute RSI Network#4/December 91 ------------------------- National Attention! Trigger Release Surgery: Update Software of Interest Ergonomic Resources Publications Letters From Readers Long-term Disability? Quote Of The Month RSI Support Groups RSI Network#5/April 92 ---------------------- Why So Long Between Issues? Letters From Readers Doing Research On RSI Is There A Solution? East Coast Support Groups? Practitioners Wrist Rests or Forearm Supports? Publications Update Quote of the Month RSI Network#6/June 92 --------------------- Thanks! Requests From Readers Statistics Voice Recognition And Word Prediction Other Resources For Macintosh Users Legislation Organizations Jennifer's Story Quote Of The Month RSI Support Groups (California) RSI Network#7/August 92 ----------------------- Statistics Survey Of CTS Sufferers Iontophoresis: Hope For RSI Sufferers? S.F. Bay Area Ergonomics Showroom Pain Relief: Aqua-Relief Pads Reading Hands-free: The Able Table Mouse Relief For Macintosh Users: Easy Access Publications Legislation Cal/OSHA Ergonomics Regulation Americans With Disabilities Act Status of RSI Lawsuits Letters From Members Hormones and RSI CTS And Nerve Compression From the Editor RSI Support Groups (California) RSI Network#8/October 92 ------------------------ Input Devices Associations CTDNEWS Hypercard Stack On Preventing RSI UC Extension Yari's Story Letters From Members RSI Support Groups (California) RSI Network#9/December 92 ------------------------- Video of RSI TV special Workshops on Social Security disability claims process Input device news Impressions of the DataHand Software news Other products Practitioners Massage Therapist and Tai Chi Instructor Myofascial pain Job accommodation Member letters RSI Support Groups (California) RSI Network Newsletter #10/February 93 -------------------------------------- Possible Temporary Shutdown We're Up On ZiffNet OLO Rolling Scissors Adjustable Keyboard & New Mouse From Apple Keystroke-Saving Software: Quickeys and Prokeys Reading Letters From Members Robin's Story Quote of the Month RSI Support Groups (California) RSI Support Groups (Elsewhere) Submissions Subscription Information/Back Issues RSI Network Newsletter #11/April 93 ----------------------------------- Comfort Keyboard: First Impressions Kurzweil Voice Input Software for the PC RSI Video Price Drop to $19.95! Products Resources Reading Hardcopy Subscriptions Update & Newsletter News Letters From Members Sharon's Story: Vocational Rehabilitation New RSI Support Groups: Marin, NYC, Texas RSI Support Groups (California) Submissions Electronic Subscription Information Online Distribution FTP & Internet Archive Sites RSI Network Newsletter #12/June 93 ---------------------------------- Printed (Snail Mail) Newsletter Subscribers: Take Note Hardware Notes Macintosh Disability Resources Stack: New Contact Products For Everyone Arthritis Self-Help Products "Good Grips": Tip From A Reader Sports Touch Herbal Healing Balm Reading and Resources June SIGCHI Meeting in Boston Magazines and Journal Articles Newsletter News Letters From Members Lauretta's Story New Support Groups: South San Francisco & Boston Texas Group Wanted RSI Support Groups (California, New York) Submissions Electronic Subscriptions Online Distribution FTP & Internet Archive Sites RSI Network Newsletter #13/August 93 ------------------------------------ Are Exercises Safe? Products for Computer Users Products For Everyone Magazines & Journal Articles Catalogs Newsletter News Letters From Members Resources Geoff's Story "Mary's" Story: Fibromyositis Chronic Pain Network In Connecticut New Support Groups: Toronto, San Mateo, Atlanta Texas Group Wanted RSI Support Groups (California, Boston, New York) Submissions Electronic Subscriptions Online Distribution FTP & Internet Archive Sites RSI Network Newsletter #14/October 93 ------------------------------------- Looking For A Doctor? L. L. Bean's Convertible Field Bag Products For Computer Users An Exercise Reminder from Sweden PC Users: ErgoLogic Adjustable Keyboard Handeze Gloves: from TidBITs Reading Letters From Members Newsletter News RSI Network Newsletter on CD-ROM Eric's Story Submissions RSI Support Groups Electronic Subscriptions RSI Network Newsletter #15/December 93 -------------------------------------- Ergonomic Standard Hearings Treatments Ergonomic Keyboards Windows and PC Software Onsight Technology Education Services Voice Recognition: Sun and PC Reading Letters From Members Newsletter News Maree's Story (From Australia) A Story Of Recovery Electronic Resources RSI Network Newsletter by Gopher Submissions RSI Support Groups: New! RSI Support Groups: Wanted/Disbanded RSI Support Groups Electronic Subscriptions Online Distribution FTP & Internet Archive Sites RSI Network Newsletter #16/February 94 -------------------------------------- Rally After S.F. Ergonomic Standard Hearing Disabilities Conference In Los Angeles Submissions The Feldenkrais Method Products, Services & Practitioners PC Voice Recognition Price Reductions Ergonomic Furniture Products For Everyone Reading Letters From Members Newsletter News RSI Network Newsletter on CD-ROM Sharon's (Follow-up) Story: Myofascial Pain Syndrome Subscriptions/Back Issues RSI Support Groups: New! Novato, Fremont, Anchorage. RSI Support Groups: Wanted RSI Support Groups RSI Network Newsletter by Gopher Electronic Subscriptions Online Distribution FTP & Internet Archive Sites About the Newsletter Mastfoot -------- Produced by: Caroline Rose Electronic version editing, distribution by: Craig O'Donnell, Assistant Sysop, MacWEEK Forum on ZiffNet or <72511,240> on CIS. .. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 5 18:29:17 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA18101; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 18:29:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 5 Jun 94 18:29:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406052229.AA28934@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5316; Sun, 05 Jun 94 18:29:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5707; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 18:29:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3230; Sun, 05 Jun 94 15:29:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6635; Sun, 5 Jun 1994 15:29:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 17:36:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Loretta Mickley Subject: Doctor in Chicago area? X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am new to this mailing list and was wondering if anyone could recommend to me a doctor or physiotherapist in the Chicago area who is familiar with repetitive stress injuries. I am particularly interested in someone who has knowledge of the relationship between neck pain and pain in the hands and wrists. Thanks very much. Loretta Mickley University of Chicago mickley@rainbow.uchicago.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 6 15:51:22 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA00250; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 15:51:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Jun 94 15:36:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406061936.AA03496@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3524; Mon, 06 Jun 94 15:36:34 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8305; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 15:36:34 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4256; Mon, 06 Jun 94 12:36:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5042; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 12:36:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 12:27:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Amiga supplies? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Does anyone know of a company that makes split/alternative keyboards, trackballs, etc. for the Commodore Amiga? I use a PC at work, but my home computer is an Amiga 3000, and I use it quite a bit. Karen Whitehouse kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 6 16:34:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00517; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:34:49 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Jun 94 16:39:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406062039.AA04527@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4287; Mon, 06 Jun 94 16:38:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0255; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:38:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8651; Mon, 06 Jun 94 13:39:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1652; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:38:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:32:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Larry Urquhart Subject: Re: Amiga supplies? X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Sy To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Reply to: RE>Amiga supplies? One of our programmers, who has developed for the Amiga, responded as follows: Do not know of any alternative/split keyboards. The inexpensive (and most prevelant) Amiga models come with an integral keyboard, so that limits the market for 3rd parties, I guess. As far as trackballs, joysticks, etc. MUCH better situation... almost any joystick/controller company will offer a version of their products that is Amiga-compatible (the Amiga uses the same joystick as many of the early video games like the Atari 2600, Coleco Adam, C64, etc). I suggest calling video-game/Amiga retail stores and see what they have on hand. Magazines like AmigaWorld and Amazing Computing carry tons of mail order house ads. Should be no problem finding just about any joystick/trackball/mouse arrangement one fancies. Larry Urquhart StarNine Technical Support 510 649-4949, FAX 510 548 0393 larry@starnine.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 6 16:35:16 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00522; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:35:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Jun 94 16:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9406062039.AA04535@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4291; Mon, 06 Jun 94 16:39:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0263; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:39:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8673; Mon, 06 Jun 94 13:39:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1671; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:38:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 15:27:14 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Amiga supplies? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406061938.AA11116@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Karen Whitehouse" at Jun 6, 94 12:27 pm | Does anyone know of a company that makes split/alternative keyboards, | trackballs, etc. for the Commodore Amiga? I use a PC at work, but my | home computer is an Amiga 3000, and I use it quite a bit. Karen, No. But I also use an Amiga at home (2500/30). I am doing video and audio work so I would be interested in this products as well. Let me know what you find. Have you checked Amiga World magazine? I put a message up on the Amiga net to see if anyone out in the Amiga networld knows. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 7 20:25:15 1994 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05515; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:25:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 20:29:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406080029.AA29163@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6514; Tue, 07 Jun 94 20:29:40 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2535; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:29:40 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3526; Tue, 07 Jun 94 17:29:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7417; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:29:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:28:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > He's an orthopedic surgeon. His reception room walls were papered with > degrees and certificates. 'Course he could have gotten them from > mail order out of the back of a Rolling Stone... :) > Quote from book: "...people go to orthopedists because they have musculoskeletal problems, but if that orthopedist is not knowledgeable about soft tissue injury, the problem may be underestimated, ignored, or misunderstood". Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 7 20:58:56 1994 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05587; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:58:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 21:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406080103.AA29614@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6690; Tue, 07 Jun 94 20:59:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2996; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:59:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4415; Tue, 07 Jun 94 17:59:31 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8258; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:59:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:52:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Matthew Anderson Subject: Foot switch X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've seen mention of a foot switch for activating the mouse on this list... would anyone know if one is available for the Mac? -- Matthew Anderson is an artist of little note but vast integrity, and can be found at: Matthew_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca. "Road to hell paved with unbought stuffed dogs. Not my fault." From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 7 21:35:20 1994 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id VAA05655; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:35:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 21:39:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406080139.AA29999@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6928; Tue, 07 Jun 94 21:39:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3692; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:39:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6032; Tue, 07 Jun 94 18:39:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0353; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:39:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:38:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Craig O'Donnell" Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: OSHA reform (fwd) X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Arise SOREHANDERS and demand action! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:21:49 -0700 From:joanl@garnet.berkeley.edu To: dadadata@world.std.com Subject: OSHA reform Dear Craig, ... I just returned from Washington, DC, where I visited some of the people involved in OSHA reform legislation (which has been undergoing various changes for more than two years now and is expected to come up for vote in the next month, before the summer recess). I strongly urge everyone on the network, and their friends and family and anyone they can rope in, to write to their congressional representatives in the House and Senate to pass the bill to amend the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 (S. 1622 in the Senate). Among other things, it will extend OSHA coverage to public employees, and require OSHA to issue "a final standard on ergonomic hazards to protect employees from work- related musculoskeletal disorders," to include employer provisions for hazard identification, control measures, medical management, training and education, and employee participation; requirements for evaluating job processes, work station design, reate of work, and work methods to identify ergonomic risk factors; requirements for control measures to reduce stressors and musculoskel- etal disorders, including engineering controls, new equipment, or work organiza- tion controls, etc. Some of the people to whom I spoke were very optimistic ab about the bill's passage, and others were not; but if it is not passed within the next month the proposed reform may well be dead. The key Senate committee is Labor and Human Resources (Edw. Kennedy, chair), and the key House committee is Labor and Education (Wm Ford, chair). Please, PLEASE, P L E A S E take the time to write! Thanks, Craig. I appreciate your help. Cheers! joan lichterman From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 7 22:03:56 1994 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id WAA05712; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:03:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 22:07:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9406080207.AA00404@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7091; Tue, 07 Jun 94 22:07:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4170; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:07:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7099; Tue, 07 Jun 94 19:07:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1339; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 19:07:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:06:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: canoeing anyone?? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406071440.AA04676@world.std.com> Chris, try it, don't overdo it, I doubt whitewater would be a good idea, and I tried flatwater canoeing last summer a couple times (I don't much canoe since Boy Scouts) and was amazed to find that I had little pain. Caveat: everyone's different. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 7 22:15:23 1994 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id WAA05741; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:15:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 22:20:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406080220.AA00531@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7124; Tue, 07 Jun 94 22:15:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4287; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:15:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7397; Tue, 07 Jun 94 19:15:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1582; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 19:15:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:13:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406071718.AA16498@world.std.com> John Lamp and others have been active from time to time on Sorehand. Contact Paul Young (?) the Science Writer for the Toronto Globe and Mail. Two reasons: 1. He wrote and excellent series which is available in reprint. 2. He suffers from CTDs. 3. I bet, as a reporter, he would LOVE to talk to this insurance company and especially to the doctor. 4. I think the ins co doctor is blowing smoke. Why not ask HIM for a copy of the report? Australia and New Zealand have a very different approach to RSIs than we d but it's not saying "it's all in your head". 5. retain a lawyer, even if its a pro bono legal services organization. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:21:04 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07639; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:21:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 01:56:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406070556.AA03324@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7783; Tue, 07 Jun 94 01:55:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9534; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 01:55:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3180; Mon, 06 Jun 94 22:56:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8808; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 22:56:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 22:35:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Lisa Chabot Subject: advice needed X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ------- Forwarded Message From: Andy Ralston Subject: Hawking's Toys Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:17:29 -0500 (CDT) Hi, all. I received the following request from my brother-in-law, whose cousin has recently been diagnosed with Lou Gherig's (sp?) disease. Please feel free to distribute this request, and please e-mail Mike or myself with any info or pointers. Thanks much! Andy > This is a strange request, but perfectly suited to the internet. > I need to learn about the mobility and communication systems that > Stephen Hawking has rigged up to deal with his paralysis. In case > you don't recall, Hawking is the English Physicist/Cosmologist who > wrote "A Brief History of Time." He suffers from ALS, and a good > friend of mine has just been diagnosed with the same problem. > > I'm interested in the hardware, the software, the cost and the > contacts necessary to obtain or build this or a related system. In > other words, everything of practical significance. > > Please send email responses to: > > michael_slott@abtassoc.com > > Regular mail can be sent to: > > Michael Slott > 213 E. Melbourne Ave. > Silver Spring, MD 20901-3515 > > Feel free to forward this information to any likely informant. > > Thanks, > > slott > ------- End of Forwarded Message From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:36:42 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07676; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:36:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 07:22:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071122.AA05371@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8808; Tue, 07 Jun 94 07:22:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2289; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:22:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9192; Tue, 07 Jun 94 04:22:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5907; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 04:22:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:19:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Daniel C. Richardson" Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 5 Jun 1994 to 6 Jun 1994 X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." , Recipients of SOREHAND digests To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Does anyone know of a company that makes split/alternative keyboards, > trackballs, etc. for the Commodore Amiga? I use a PC at work, but my > home computer is an Amiga 3000, and I use it quite a bit. Karen et al... Creative Computers sells (used to?) an adaptor for using IBM style serial and or PS/2 Style mice (2 kinds of adaptors). I used one when I had a 4000 about a year ago. Really simple & easy, costs about $12. Company is called DigiTek... Digi... Digi something. They also sell an adaptor for connecting a standard (is there such a thing!?) IBM keyboard (AT style I think). It will run you abou $50 (maybe $80). It's a bit pricey, but since most split/"ergonomic" keyboards are $500+, it's probably the best way to go. Seeing the demise of Commodore, I'd act soon. -Dan ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel C. Richardson |Penn State University Graduate Studies | |1111 Aaron Dr, Apt. B |Industrial Engineering - Human Factors | |State College, PA 16803 |"Education should not bore. Work should | |(814) 867-6228 | not stress. Life should not pain." | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:44:26 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07703; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:44:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 10:24:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071424.AA07003@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0373; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:24:16 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6465; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:24:16 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8368; Tue, 07 Jun 94 07:24:27 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6626; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:24:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:16:22 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Amiga supplies? (fwd) X-To: The sorehand Mailing List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND FYI. Dale |Dale, | There is a gadget called, I believe, "KB Talker", which allows |any IBM keyboard to work with your amiga. Won't work for some speciel |devices but the split keyboards which allow a more natural wrist angle |should work fine. I think you can find it in the back of Amiga World. |Try an older issue if it isn't currently advertised. | |Gerard | | |On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Dale R Rogers wrote: | |> |> Amiga types, |> |> Are any sources of alternative keyboards, trackballs, etc. for the |> Amiga. I know a number of people that are battling Repetitive |> Stress Injuries and need input devices that are gentler on the |> arms and wrists. Does anyone know of such devices for the Amiga? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:44:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07708; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:44:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 10:26:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071426.AA07031@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0388; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:26:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6508; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:26:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8476; Tue, 07 Jun 94 07:26:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6720; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:26:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:17:30 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Amiga supplies? (fwd) X-To: The sorehand Mailing List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND More Amiga input device info. Dale |> Are any sources of alternative keyboards, trackballs, etc. for the | |Northgate used to make it's fabulous OmniKey keyboard in a special Amiga |version, I'm sure they still make the keyboard, not sure if they still stock |the Amiga Keycaps. | |I believe most issues of Amazing Computing will have an ad from Alfa Data |with trackballs in it. ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:44:55 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07713; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:44:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 10:26:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071426.AA07035@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0390; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:26:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6512; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:26:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8494; Tue, 07 Jun 94 07:26:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6738; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:26:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:18:29 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Amiga supplies? (fwd) X-To: The sorehand Mailing List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Amiga input stuff. Dale Forwarded message: |From daemon Mon Jun 6 21:08 CDT 1994 |Date: Mon, 6 Jun 94 19:20:58 PDT |Message-Id: <9406070220.AA20482@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> |From: ua197@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Christopher Stewart) |To: drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com |Subject: Re: Amiga supplies? |Reply-To: ua197@freenet.victoria.bc.ca | | | |> Are any sources of alternative keyboards, trackballs, etc. for the |> Amiga. I know a number of people that are battling Repetitive |> Stress Injuries and need input devices that are gentler on the |> arms and wrists. Does anyone know of such devices for the Amiga? |> | | I used an AMTrack trackball for quite some time and found it a great |break from the mouse. I still use both nowdays. You CAN use many of the |input devices designed for the PC with a converter like the "KBTalker" or |somesuch..... | | Christopher From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:45:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07721; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:45:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 10:39:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071439.AA07197@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0528; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:39:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6876; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:39:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9261; Tue, 07 Jun 94 07:39:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7398; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:39:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:10:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris Moore Subject: canoeing anyone?? X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Comments please... I am a big fan of canoeing, and have been worrying whether I'd be able to do it this year without adversely affecting my tendonitis (right forearm from too much keyboard time). I went out for the first time this week - about two hours of flatwater paddling with my four year old son (who doesn't paddle much yet!). My forearm was "burning", and for the next day, I had some tingling and twinges in my fingers that I haven't had before. I was thinking, "okay, that was really dumb", but then by the second day, the new symptoms had disappeared, and the old ones (i.e. general pain and weakness) seemed to have lessened. Is this wishful thinking on my part, or do others have similar experiences? I've read a lot on SOREHAND about exercise, varying activities, etc. being beneficial, and am just hoping that I've found something that's both fun and therapeutic. I know every situation is different, but is there anyone out there in similar circumstances? Chris Moore Hamilton, ON, Canada chrism@ccohs.ca From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:47:31 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07731; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:47:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 11:43:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071543.AA08037@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1224; Tue, 07 Jun 94 11:42:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8677; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:42:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3881; Tue, 07 Jun 94 08:43:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1310; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:43:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:15:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Amiga supplies? (fwd) To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Thanks, Dale and Dan, for the leads on Amiga input devices. I feel like someone who got a job on a sugar plantation outside Havana just before the revolution: unsure of who the new bosses are going to be, and wondering whether the plantation will still exist. I'll look through back issues of Amiga World for more company info. Karen From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:51:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07753; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 13:20:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071720.AA08935@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2398; Tue, 07 Jun 94 13:20:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1755; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:20:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0344; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:20:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6875; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:20:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:18:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: canoeing anyone?? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > before. I was thinking, "okay, that was really dumb", but then by the > second day, the new symptoms had disappeared, and the old ones (i.e. > general pain and weakness) seemed to have lessened. Is this wishful > thinking on my part, or do others have similar experiences? I've read a My doctor claims that when you first start an activity, you can have a flare-up, but after a while it will go away. It seems to take a while for the limbs to adjust to the stress. He has a musician as a patient who suffers severely the first time he plays after not having played for a couple of weeks, but after playing regularly gets significantly better. The moral of the story is not to get discouraged or give up if you start to hurt as soon as you start typing after a long rest. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:51:44 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07758; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:51:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 13:31:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071731.AA09040@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2538; Tue, 07 Jun 94 13:31:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2097; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:31:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1046; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:31:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7462; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:31:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:29:19 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/07/94 13:18 You are crazy if you don't seek the help of an informed lawyer. Is the long term insurance thru your work? Thats funny - they've offered us the same long term plan at my university and I've wondered what the catch would be. Besides your insurance plan, a lawyer can lead you thru workmens comp and american's with disabilities to get what you need. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:52:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07766; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:52:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 13:19:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071719.AA08921@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2369; Tue, 07 Jun 94 13:18:49 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1693; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:18:49 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9832; Tue, 07 Jun 94 10:18:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6627; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:17:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:14:02 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rob Hutten Subject: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I think I'm going to need some help here. Some background: I've been off work without pay since september of last year due to my injuries. The university with which I am employed has not provided a voice recognition system for me. I'd buy one myself but I have no money. After six months leave I became eligible to apply for our insurance company's long-term disability (LTD) pension. I saw a specialist in april at the insurance company's request but they were not satisfied with his report which stated that I had bilateral acute overuse tendonitis and bilateral ulnar neuropathy. (An earlier EMG study of my radial nerves ruled out CTS.) They therefore decided to exercise their option to refer me to a specialist of their choice for a second opinion. Which brings us to yesterday when I saw Dr. Gary McGillivary of the Fenwick Medical Centre in Halifax. After reading my chart and conducting a 2-minute examination, he told me that there was no problem with my neck, arms or hands and that it was ``all in my head.'' He explained very patiently to me that I had an simply an emotional reaction to workplace dissatisfaction which was causing psychosomatic pain and that ``repetitive strain injuries simply don't exist.'' He referred to an Australian report (from 1979 I think) which came to this latter conclusion. He said that diffuse pain such as mine is entirely psychological. If I had simply sore wrists or sore little fingers then it could be tendonitis or CTS, but I have pain and sensitivity throughout my upper extremities. He told me that I should be seeing a psychologist, not a medical doctor. He said I could return to work tomorrow if I'd just realize that my arms are ok. It was about at this point that I walked out of his office. It should be noted that since high school (I'm now 24) my two hobbies have been computer programming and guitar playing. My RSI has all but completely restricted me from enjoying either of these pursuits. ``Workplace dissatisfaction'' is malarky - I loved my job and anyone who knows me well can testify to that. I need references to this Australian report. I may be forced to discredit this quack's professional opinion if I want to return to work. My hope was that I could convince the insurance company to provide me with a voice recognition system in lieu of a pension, or to use the money from the pension to finance a system, but if they are led to believe that it's all in my head then I'm screwed. I'm going to fire off a letter to the insurance company as soon as possible with as much information on RSI as I can find. I've downloaded rsi_physical from soda and am looking at the other documents there but I need everything I can get. If anyone has references to this original Australian report and/or any criticisms of it I would be very grateful. Private email is prefered - I can summarize what I get to the list. Thanks in advance for your help. -rob PS: it's good to know that the pain shooting through my arms now after typing this is just in my head. Otherwise it'd hurt. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:53:21 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07771; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:53:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 14:09:42 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071809.AA09498@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2943; Tue, 07 Jun 94 14:09:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3134; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:09:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3533; Tue, 07 Jun 94 11:09:39 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9625; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:09:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:07:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jeff DelPapa Subject: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Rob Hutten's message of Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:14:02 -0300 <199406071718.AA16498@world.std.com> Ah yes, the "tame" doctor, a favorite of insurers everywhere... Just what does this doctor specialize in? If they aren't an orthopedic surgeon, physiatrist, or specialist in occupational medicine, you should be able to challenge on "hasn't a clue" basis. In some places the injury board has an official list of "impartial" doctors for just this purpose. To start, a challenge to the paper cited (15 years old, a lot has been learned since then) with some more modern results is likely in order. A check in index medicus should lead to papers that challenge the points made in that one, as there clearly have been some that make very opposing statements. I don't know too many details of the canadian system, but in the US, the lawyers take on injury cases "contingent fee", so some legal help is in order. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:53:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07776; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:53:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 14:01:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071801.AA09393@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2863; Tue, 07 Jun 94 14:00:58 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2945; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:00:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2953; Tue, 07 Jun 94 11:01:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9121; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:01:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:00:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > Which brings us to yesterday when I saw Dr. Gary McGillivary of the > Fenwick Medical Centre in Halifax. After reading my chart and > conducting a 2-minute examination, he told me that there was no problem > with my neck, arms or hands and that it was ``all in my head.'' He > explained very patiently to me that I had an simply an emotional > reaction to workplace dissatisfaction which was causing psychosomatic > pain and that ``repetitive strain injuries simply don't exist.'' He > referred to an Australian report (from 1979 I think) which came to this > latter conclusion. He said that diffuse pain such as mine is entirely > psychological. I suggest you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Pascarelli and Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59532-2. There's a whole section that discusses the ignorance and skepticism of many doctors about RSI. In particular he challenges that Australian study. Then Tell that ignorant a*****e who calls himself a doctor to educate himself, or get the hell out of the health care business. Stories like this really steam me. I'm still pissed at the English Judge who proclaimed that RSI doesn't exist and through out the lawsuit. > If I had simply sore wrists or sore little fingers then > it could be tendonitis or CTS, but I have pain and sensitivity throughout > my upper extremities. He told me that I should be seeing a psychologist, > not a medical doctor. Tell him he should see the inside of a medical school. Flame off. Tom "I never believed in RSI until I got it" --- quote from book From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:54:19 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07781; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:54:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 14:42:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071842.AA09943@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3317; Tue, 07 Jun 94 14:42:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4199; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:42:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5439; Tue, 07 Jun 94 11:42:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1420; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:41:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:39:03 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Rob Hutten." Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND wow, thanks for the quick response, people. Carol Wilson wrote: > You are crazy if you don't seek the help of an informed lawyer. seems that is the next step. I was hoping to avoid it. > Is the long term insurance thru your work? Yup. > Besides your insurance plan, a lawyer can lead you thru workmens comp > and american's with disabilities to get what you need. I'm in Canada, so ADA doesn't apply. Seems to be one area in which your medicare system wins out. Tom Knotts wrote: > I suggest you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer > User's Guide" by Pascarelli and Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59532-2. Thanks Tom - I'll try to order this today. > Then Tell that ignorant a*****e who calls himself a doctor to educate > himself, or get the hell out of the health care business. I'm going to mail a copy of rsi_physical to his office, along with a reference to the book you mentioned above. It'll be *really* hard not to include a steaming flame-fest of a letter... Jeff DelPapa wrote: > Ah yes, the "tame" doctor, a favorite of insurers everywhere... Just > what does this doctor specialize in? He's an orthopedic surgeon. His reception room walls were papered with degrees and certificates. 'Course he could have gotten them from mail order out of the back of a Rolling Stone... :) My grandmother (who always refused to see doctors) had some intense chest pains one night and finally agreed to go to the out patients department. She was told it was just gas and sent home. She died of a massive heart attack early the next morning. This is an extreme case, mind you, but I've learned to be skeptical of the medical profession, no matter how edjumicated the doctors are. Thanks for the help, folks. -rob From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:54:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07786; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:54:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 15:13:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071913.AA10378@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3629; Tue, 07 Jun 94 15:13:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5029; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7333; Tue, 07 Jun 94 12:13:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3043; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 12:13:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:10:30 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ed English Organization: Mount Saint Vincent University Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi Rob: I live just down the road in Windsor so I thought I would write back on behalf of my wife who has been going through RSI problems as a result of her work as a dental Hygienist in Hantsport. She has also been running the gauntlet of local practitioners with no solid result yet. I would be a little hesitant to take the American solution and hire a lawyer just yet. The Medical Society of NS has a person to act as a 'buffer' between patients and Doctors in these cases. Their number is 468.1866. I can't recall the ladies name. I'll pass your message on to my wife tonight and see what she has to add. Good luck Ed English ph. 902.457.6429 Co-op Co-ordinator, Information Management fax. 902.445.3235 Mount Saint Vincent University ed.english@msvu.ca Halifax, NS, Canada B0N 2TO From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 09:55:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA07791; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:55:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 15:40:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9406071940.AA10784@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3872; Tue, 07 Jun 94 15:40:40 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5691; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:40:40 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8799; Tue, 07 Jun 94 12:40:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4398; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 12:40:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:37:50 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/07/94 14:40 An article that just appeared in the New York Times "Business" section for June 5, 1994 (section 3 NE) front page is titled "A Spreading Pain, and Cries for Justice." Workers with repetitive strain disorders are seeking more ways to fight back. Businesses are worried." Interesting article to read to see the newest ways the AMERICANS are fighting the issues, in and out of the courts. You can Inter-Library Loan the article from your local library. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 10:01:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA07819; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:01:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 16:31:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406072031.AA11518@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4365; Tue, 07 Jun 94 16:31:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6964; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:31:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1424; Tue, 07 Jun 94 13:31:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6656; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:31:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:30:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > more ways to fight back. Businesses are worried." Businesses should also be worried about the impact of losing a large portion of the work force, especially the highly motivated types who are most likely to get RSI. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 10:03:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA07824; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:03:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Jun 94 16:50:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406072050.AA11812@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4552; Tue, 07 Jun 94 16:50:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7464; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:50:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2294; Tue, 07 Jun 94 13:50:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7419; Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:50:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:43:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I find it strange that the business high-mucky-mucks don't get RSIs themselves. (Well, they do in my office, anyway.) Maybe insurance dinks should ask their secretaries whether RSIs are real. Karen ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > more ways to fight back. Businesses are worried." Businesses should also be worried about the impact of losing a large portion of the work force, especially the highly motivated types who are most likely to get RSI. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 10:03:43 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA07829; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:03:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 10:07:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081407.AB02415@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0938; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:07:36 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5096; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:07:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1963; Wed, 08 Jun 94 07:07:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7200; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 07:07:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:00:06 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Re[2]: Amiga supplies? (fwd) X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406072053.AA00699@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Karen Whitehouse" at Jun 7, 94 8:15 am | Thanks, Dale and Dan, for the leads on Amiga input devices. I feel | like someone who got a job on a sugar plantation outside Havana just | before the revolution: unsure of who the new bosses are going to be, | and wondering whether the plantation will still exist. I'll look | through back issues of Amiga World for more company info. Karen, Your welcome. Although we don't know who the new boss of the plantation will be, the old bosses were all that interested in producing good sugar. Maybe the new ones will. Funny you should use the Havana simile. I was born and raised in Miami Florida. ;-) Dale From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 10:16:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA07858; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:16:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 10:20:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081420.AA02791@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1088; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:20:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5458; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:20:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2928; Wed, 08 Jun 94 07:20:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8909; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 07:20:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:19:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Scott T. Lary" Subject: Re: canoeing anyone?? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND My experience was somewhat similar. also- work with a chiropractor seemed thta the neck was involved in the neurology of the arms burning. & acupuncture helped re; the circulation in the forearms. paddle on From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 11:31:49 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA08061; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:31:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 09:40:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081340.AA01322@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9410; Wed, 08 Jun 94 07:01:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0804; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 07:01:05 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4058; Wed, 08 Jun 94 04:01:13 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9873; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 04:01:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 03:58:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Craig Hansen Subject: Kurzweil Applied Intelligence discloses SEC and NASD investigation X-To: sorehand%UCSFVM.bitnet@CSMA.Berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND The Tuesday Wall Street Journal has an article indicating that Kurzweil AI is being investigated by the SEC, that the National Association Of Securities Dealers (NASD) is examining whether to delist the stock, and that the last seven quarters of financial statements were wrong. Apparently four top managers have resigned after a discovery that significant sales had been booked as revenue before they were completed. After reading all that, I seriously expect that the long-promised Windows version isn't going to be forthcoming, or if it does that it won't be well-supported. I suppose a purchase of DragonDictate might well be in order before the new competitive situation permits a price increase, though I certainly wouldn't look forward to training another system on the vocabulary I've built up over the past year. Regards, Craig From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 12:06:47 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA08156; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:06:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 12:11:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081611.AA04867@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2502; Wed, 08 Jun 94 12:10:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9277; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:10:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0540; Wed, 08 Jun 94 09:10:58 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5341; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:10:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:03:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: Pins and needles To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've been thinking about consulting an acupuncturist. If anyone has stories about acupuncture results, good or bad, let me know. Thanks! Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: canoeing anyone?? Author: @CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET@INTERNET at CCROUTER Date: 6/8/94 9:19 AM My experience was somewhat similar. also- work with a chiropractor seemed thta the neck was involved in the neurology of the arms burning. & acupuncture helped re; the circulation in the forearms. paddle on From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 12:49:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA08198; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:49:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 11:24:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081524.AA04089@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1915; Wed, 08 Jun 94 11:24:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7591; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:24:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7298; Wed, 08 Jun 94 08:24:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2724; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 08:24:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 08:18:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: George Hu Subject: Ergodyne splints X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Several people have mentioned Ergodyne splints. At the onset of my tendonitis I found them at Fry's (a truly great electronics store) in San Jose and they literally took my pain away in an hour. I wore them night and day for several weeks. They were great because they were small, adjustable, and hi-tech looking. I developed a tingling in my thumb whenever I touched the inside edge of my hand below the thumb. When I went to a PT and told her this, she took one look at the splints and told me the splints were pressing on a nerve running down the inside edge of my hand from the thumb down. I switched to neoprene wrist wraps made by the Benik Corporation of Sequim, WA and within two days the tingling is gone. The lesson is you must be very cautious about using splints. Don't assume, however, that your doctor will understand all these things. My doctor saw the splints and thought they were fine; it was the PT who had seen enough cases to know what was going on. Think for yourself and watch your body carefully. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 12:55:55 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA08214; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:55:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 12:59:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081659.AA05573@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3061; Wed, 08 Jun 94 12:59:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0789; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:59:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3533; Wed, 08 Jun 94 09:59:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7841; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:59:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:57:00 GMT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Marutiak Subject: accupuncturists X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Karen - Yes, in fact that was the first stop I made after mine flared up, based on the recommendation of a nurse friend. I didn't get much relief, and went from there to a chiropractor. After another round of doctors and a CTS surgery, I tried another, better qualified, accupuncturist. He was a researcher from Stanford that specialized in doing accupuncture instead of anesthetics during surgeries (with all these multi-syllabic words I'm bound to mess up a few....). That time I went for a series of 8 treatments, and during some of them felt better. He did the obvious points, along the meridians and an occasional ear or neck. Near the end he was also doing the points on the feet that corresponded to the liver. I stopped after 8 because it was all out of pocket and the results were getting less and less noticable (they were always pretty slight anyway). Still, it seems logical that accupuncture, known for reducing inflammation and helping the nerves, would be a valid treatment for both CTS and tendonitis. I may drift back that way again someday. A lot of friends that had successful accupuncture have suggested that Oriental doctors are actually more effective than Western practitioners, but I can't see why that would make sense...... dave marutiak PS I've been trying nutrional approaches for the last month, Calcium, Vitamin D and Magnesium, B6, and E. It worked for a while too, but I'm in the middle of a flareup that has lasted a week now. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 13:03:49 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA08254; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:03:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 13:08:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081708.AA05691@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3161; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:08:05 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1052; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:08:05 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4130; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:08:14 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8335; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:08:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:05:00 GMT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Marutiak Subject: Re: canoeing X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Here's two more cents: I do whitewater rafting at least once a year and don't have a problem as long as I take rests during the slow water. A little cold water on the forearms every once in awhile is a good idea too, depending on how severe the tendons get, but mine don't bother me doing canoeing anywhere near as much as they do when I type or drive. Remember to keep your down paddle hand open - dont clench it unless you have to. The clenching of the fingers causes most of the problem in both canoeing and cross country skiing. An open hand will help a lot. dave marutiak From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 13:14:56 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA08326; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:14:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 13:18:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081718.AA05896@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3308; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:18:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1423; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:18:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5090; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:18:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9280; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:18:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:16:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Foot switch X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I've seen mention of a foot switch for activating the mouse on this list... > would anyone know if one is available for the Mac? You can buy and install your own: Linemaster Switch Corporation 29 Plaine Hilll Road, P.O. Box 238 Woodstock, CT 06281-0238 Tel (203) 974-1000 Junior Switch 121-S. Replace spring with 1" Connor spring 05502 or equivalent. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 13:16:30 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA08334; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:16:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 13:21:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081721.AA05946@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3330; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:20:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1473; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:20:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5229; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:20:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9497; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:20:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:14:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: accupuncturists To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Thanks for the advice on acupuncturists, Dave. I already take a mega-type of multivitamin, but I am considering vitamin therapy as well. I think maybe Asian acupuncturists (good ones) have an understanding of the interrelationships of nerve groups that more conventional practitioners might not. Also, there is the placebo effect to consider: A Western doctor might know what to manipulate in acupuncture, but if he doesn't believe in it, he could transmit that doubt to the patient. Healing does depend on mindset to a great degree. Maybe that's why you get some relief, then experience a flareup. You expect your body to feel better, so it does its best to comply, but it can't really heal itself as fast as you want, so it falls back. Just a thought. >> A lot of friends that had successful accupuncture have suggested >>that Oriental doctors are actually more effective than Western >>practitioners, but I can't see why that would make sense...... >>dave marutiak >>PS I've been trying nutrional approaches for the last month, >>Calcium, Vitamin D and Magnesium, B6, and E. It worked for a while >>too, but I'm in the middle of a flareup that has lasted a week now. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 13:31:26 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA08371; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:31:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 13:35:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081735.AA06267@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3492; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:35:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1948; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:35:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6194; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:35:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0352; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:35:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:34:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > What "book" was the quote from? > > Dale > > "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" authors: Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 13:41:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA08407; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:41:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 13:46:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081746.AA06462@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3620; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:46:17 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2354; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:46:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6914; Wed, 08 Jun 94 10:46:27 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0868; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 10:46:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:26:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Marjorie Whalen Subject: Mouses X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I would be interested in hearing recommendations for the best mouse or mouse alternatives to use with a NEC computer. I have the standard NEC mouse and a mouse pad and am noticing a fair amount of discomfort in my wrist and hand. Please reply directly to me. I don't like to fill everyone else's mailbox. Thanks. Marjorie Whalen mwhalen@idrc.ca From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 16:27:41 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA08800; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:27:39 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 16:32:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406082032.AA09053@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5623; Wed, 08 Jun 94 16:31:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8005; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:31:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7702; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:32:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9743; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:32:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 15:31:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Scott T. Lary" Subject: Re: Pins and needles X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:13:12 -0400 hi: well, I've had mild to severe rsi problems in my hands, forearms, and elbows for the last couple years. first thing i did was see a physiotherapist, she gave me splints. they helped a bit, but not much. about 6 months later i went to an acupuncturist, had 6 sessions. the needles did make the pain somewhat less, but only for a few hours. by the next day all was back. my brother has had essentially the same experience with acupuncture, although it was a different acupuncturist. currently, i just live with the discomfort/pain, and only type for a couple hours/day. i tend to believe that there's no real solution to rsi problems except to type (or whatever) less. this seems self-evident, no organic system is designed to do repetitive mechanical work for tens of thousands of hours..... - bil-------- Bill Hutten, Progrx Custom Applications bhutten@fox.nstn.ns.ca 902 453 2482 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 17:19:02 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA09104; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:18:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 16:59:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9406082059.AA09364@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5929; Wed, 08 Jun 94 16:59:40 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8840; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9523; Wed, 08 Jun 94 13:59:49 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1272; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:59:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:57:49 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Cliff Lasser Subject: canoeing anyone?? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:10:42 -0400 From: Chris Moore Comments please... I am a big fan of canoeing, and have been worrying whether I'd be able to do it this year without adversely affecting my tendonitis (right forearm from too much keyboard time). ... I know every situation is different, but is there anyone out there in similar circumstances? In my case, large amounts of canoeing has _no_ effect whatsoever on my tendonitis. In fact it seems to make it a little bit better. I'm not going to venture an explanation, but I'm real glad that I can canoe - it's lots of fun! From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 19:31:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA09476; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:31:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 09:45:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9406081345.AA01690@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0689; Wed, 08 Jun 94 09:44:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4438; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:44:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0350; Wed, 08 Jun 94 06:44:27 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5867; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 06:44:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 08:35:24 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406080538.AA00238@b24a.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Tom Knotts" at Jun 7, 94 5:28 pm |> |> He's an orthopedic surgeon. His reception room walls were papered with |> degrees and certificates. 'Course he could have gotten them from |> mail order out of the back of a Rolling Stone... :) |> | |Quote from book: | |"...people go to orthopedists because they have musculoskeletal problems, |but if that orthopedist is not knowledgeable about soft tissue injury, |the problem may be underestimated, ignored, or misunderstood". What "book" was the quote from? Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 19:41:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA09523; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:40:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 19:18:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406082318.AA11356@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7223; Wed, 08 Jun 94 19:18:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2394; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:18:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6946; Wed, 08 Jun 94 16:18:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7609; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:18:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:16:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Millman Subject: Re: accupuncturists X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dave Marutiak wrote regarding accupuncture: >Karen - >Yes, in fact that was the first stop I made after mine flared up, based >on the recommendation of a nurse friend. I didn't get much relief, and >went from there to a chiropractor. After another round of doctors and >a CTS surgery, I tried another, better qualified, accupuncturist. He >was a researcher from Stanford that specialized in doing accupuncture >instead of anesthetics during surgeries (with all these multi-syllabic >words I'm bound to mess up a few....). Anyone with CTS who lives close to Stanford and who doesn't call Dr. Bruce Flagg is crazy. He will help, as traffic on this list has indicated. Call him at 415-851-0931. Dave Millman TACTICS: Profitable Marketing Programs phone 408/266-2267 High-Tech Competitive Research, FAX 408/266-7323 Marketing Research & Planning millman@netcom.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 8 23:17:18 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA10177; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 23:17:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Jun 94 23:21:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9406090321.AA14827@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9079; Wed, 08 Jun 94 23:21:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7519; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 23:21:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9316; Wed, 08 Jun 94 20:21:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3905; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 20:21:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 22:59:33 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: TIM HELLER Organization: State University of New York - Central Administration Subject: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dear Friends, After about 20-30 minutes riding my bicycle (with my wrist braces on) my hands get tingly and then completely numb. After I stop riding it takes about 5-10 minutes to completely regain the feeling in both hands. At this point there is no pain involved (why am I complaining), I just wanted to see if anyone has this problem and what there doing about it. A little info - I have a mountain bike with foam rubber handle grips. I have tried different hand positions with little success. Thanks ahead of time for your help, Tim Heller From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 08:06:47 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA11631; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:06:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 08:11:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091211.AA18333@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0928; Thu, 09 Jun 94 08:11:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2727; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:11:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1030; Thu, 09 Jun 94 05:11:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4248; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 05:11:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:09:26 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Goo point Tom. Quite often it is the most productive workers who get CTDs or RSIs Evan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 08:12:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA11642; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:12:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 08:17:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091217.AA18381@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0978; Thu, 09 Jun 94 08:17:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2849; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:17:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1247; Thu, 09 Jun 94 05:17:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4616; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 05:17:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:19:00 BST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ian Chivers Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND i commute by bike and did so for the year i had rsi. i didn't have a problem with numbness, but it was painful. i had problems with the thumb on my left hand, and i found that i needed to shift position all the time to ease the pain. i wore a splint, and that helped (t was 2-3 months before i got medical treatment and had a splint made). i have a touring bike with drop handle bars and thick foam grips. ian chivers i.chivers@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 09:31:39 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA11766; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:31:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:36:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091336.AA00734@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1660; Thu, 09 Jun 94 09:36:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5089; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:36:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4006; Thu, 09 Jun 94 06:36:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8452; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 06:36:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:36:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Peace be with you." Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tim Heller wrote: > After about 20-30 minutes riding my bicycle (with my wrist braces on) >my hands get tingly and then completely numb. After I stop riding it takes >about 5-10 minutes to completely regain the feeling in both hands. > > At this point there is no pain involved (why am I complaining), I just >wanted to see if anyone has this problem and what there doing about it. > > A little info - I have a mountain bike with foam rubber handle grips. >I have tried different hand positions with little success. I have noticed that my hands go numb when my wrists are hyperextended during bike riding(similar mountain bike configuration as Tim), weedeating and typing. In order to avoid having my hands go numb, I concentrate on keeping my wrists at neutral. For typing, I pushed my monitor to the edge of my desk and set my keyboard so that my forearms rest on my desk and are not unsupprted in the air. This causes wrists to be in a near neutral position. It has worked very well. For bike riding as long as I'm leisurely going along, it easy to remember. But when I try to speed up, I extend my wrists. I have yet to figure out how modify my wrist position and weedeat effectively. I guess I just need to cement in the lawn. Dave ******************************************************************************** Dave Giurintano Paul Brand Biomechanics Lab GW Long Hansen's Disease Center Carville, LA 70721 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 09:33:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA11771; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:33:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091338.AA00746@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1680; Thu, 09 Jun 94 09:38:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5154; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:38:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4131; Thu, 09 Jun 94 06:38:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8582; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 06:38:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:37:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Linda M. Jastrebski" Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406090634.AA32029@mercury.umis.upenn.edu> from "TIM HELLER" at Jun 8, 94 10:59:33 pm I recently purchased a mountain bike and had the same problem with the numbness and tingling in my hands. I bought a pair of biking gloves with padding on the palms and that solved the problem. Linda Jastrebski jastrebski@umis.upenn.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 09:33:29 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA11776; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:33:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:38:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091338.AA00754@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1683; Thu, 09 Jun 94 09:38:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5160; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:38:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4146; Thu, 09 Jun 94 06:38:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8597; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 06:38:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:24:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris Moore Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: "Rob Hutten." "Re: Turns out I'm just psycho" (Jun 7, 3:39pm) Rob, I read your message a couple of days ago with sympathy (for you) and disgust (for the doctor). Two things come to mind. The first is a call to the Canadian Medical Association to report this qua... er, practitioner. I know they look after their own, but this guy is dangerous. Also, I work for the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety. Normally, I don't bring my work into it, since I'm on SOREHAND for my own benefit, but... What you might want to do (for additional ammunition) is to call our Inquiries Service, explain your situation, and ask them to send you some documentation on RSI. The number is (800) 263-8466. CCOHS is highly respected as an impartial source of health and safety information. Having documentation with our name on it may help a little. It's a free, confidential service. Sorry American readers, our Inquiries service is for Canada only, though we have lots of other stuff you can buy - e.g. printed publications and a multimedia training package on preventing repetitive motion injuries. This is not intended as an advertisement, but just to let you know. If anyone would like more information, e-mail me directly at chrism@ccohs.ca. Chris Moore Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety (CCOHS) 250 Main St. E. Hamilton, ON L8N 1H6 905-572-2981 chrism@ccohs.ca From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 10:03:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA11827; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:03:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:07:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091407.AB01232@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2090; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:07:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6193; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:07:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5777; Thu, 09 Jun 94 07:07:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0279; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:07:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:07:04 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ed English Organization: Mount Saint Vincent University Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hello again: My wife was sympathetic to your letter. She suggested if you want to compare notes you could give her a call at home. She is out today but will be in tonight or most any evening. Our number is 798.0112. Ed English ph. 902.457.6429 Co-op Co-ordinator, Information Management fax. 902.445.3235 Mount Saint Vincent University ed.english@msvu.ca Halifax, NS, Canada B0N 2TO From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 10:13:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA11839; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:13:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:18:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091418.AA01444@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2208; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:18:16 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6505; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:18:16 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6379; Thu, 09 Jun 94 07:18:25 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0837; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:18:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:56:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris Moore Subject: Re: canoeing anyone?? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Cliff Lasser "canoeing anyone??" (Jun 8, 4:57pm) "large amounts of canoeing has _no_ effect whatsoever on my tendonitis. In fact it seems to make it a little bit better." Nice to hear some other folks with the same experience as me! Chris From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 10:39:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA11897; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:39:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:43:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091443.AA01909@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2476; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:43:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7188; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:43:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7711; Thu, 09 Jun 94 07:43:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1988; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:43:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:39:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Scott T. Lary" Subject: Re: no solution to RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Tom Knotts To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom sent-- From: Tom Knotts Don't jump to conclussions too quickly. I highly recommend you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. Good luck, Tom **** Thanks for the "warning", Tom. the whole thing of the "repetitiveness" is what seems to be most befuddling. Like the Chinese water torture- each little bit seems to add or aggrevate. What I'm seeking is: #1-- Alleviation of symptoms that keep me from plunging into my work; & #2--Gaining the kind of strength & flexibility that will provide a buffer to the unforeseeable (but inevitable) extra demands that come up now and then. On a more optimistic note I'd like to suggest to this mail list that as they adopt (as was a decision at an early AmWAy meeting) the policy that stories and comments be confined to actual experiences (+ and -) and not to speculation or imagination. Sincerely, slary@tahc.texas.gov From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 10:43:26 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA11911; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:43:23 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:48:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091448.AA01997@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2529; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:48:05 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7319; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:48:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7951; Thu, 09 Jun 94 07:48:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2177; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:48:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:47:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Carl Henry, x4282" Subject: Re: canoeing anyone?? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Reference: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:10:42 -0400 From: Chris Moore Comments please... I am a big fan of canoeing, and have been worrying whether I'd be able to do it this year without adversely affecting my tendonitis (right forearm from too much keyboard time). ... I know every situation is different, but is there anyone out there in similar circumstances? My comment: If your tendonitis is the classic "tennis elbow", then I believe you will find that the "J" stroke of the canoe paddle will be quite painful for whichever elbow has the problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Henry Dir. Administrative Computing Services Carleton College One North College St. Northfield, MN 55057-4040 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 10:45:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA11921; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:45:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:50:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091450.AA02044@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2577; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:50:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7419; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:50:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8051; Thu, 09 Jun 94 07:50:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2256; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:50:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:35:00 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: smullen To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Let me apologize in advance for the length of this but I have found the knowledge on the list invaluable and I would greatly appreciate some input to my problem. I have been suffering from pain in my hands for years now. I spent three years as a picture framer using my hands constantly and I am now a chemist. As a chemist I do repetitive tasks daily. I have had pain for about three years and I have lived with it until recently the issue of RSI was presented to us at a safety meeting at work. My boss actually recognized that I was a perfect candidate and has forced me to now both admit to and do something about the pain. (I was worried it would effect my work and I did not want to jeapordize my job.) Work has been fantastic; from getting me laboratory equipment that reduces the use of my hands, getting me student assistance to be my hands for as long as I need, all the way to taking care of workmens comp issues so I do not have to. My problem now is that it is getting no better. I have seen an osteopath who diagnosed my problem as carpal tunnel syndrome. I have been given splints and anti-inflammatories but they seem to hurt more. I reacted to the motrin and had swelling that caused the pain to worsen. The osteopath has made me an appointment with a neurologist for an electroconductivity test in a couple of weeks. I am questioning the actual diagnosis. Splints do not help, anti-inflammatories do not help, resting them and not doing my job does not help. I am not out of shape, my hands are not weak, I eat right, workout aerobically and with weights, the muscles I need for my job are not weak. If I use my hands for any length of time the pain is extreme to the point where I can see that I am holding something in my hand but I cannot get my fingers to respond to open or close to pick up or release the object. I have also on occasion experienced spasms when I have turned my hand or wrist a certain way, it is like a charlie horse in my hand and this scares me. I also have spotting in the hands and fingers as if there is no circulation and if I raise my hand up in the air within seconds it is numb. I can type with no pain but I can not hold a pencil and write for even a few minutes. Everything I have read says that CTS is ofton misdiagnosed and is also rare. I am not pleased with the osteopath I have seen, I am unsure of his knowledge in this area. Does this sound like CTS or something else? What do I look for in a doctor? What questions can I ask to determine if the person is qualified in RSI? What can I ask the neurologist to determine if they are qualified in RSI? I am nervous about the test but now that I know work is so supportive I want this corrected and I don't know where to start looking for a qualified caregiver. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Lynn Smullen Send Email to smullen@crd.ge.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 10:56:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA12009; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:56:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 11:01:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091501.AA02218@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2677; Thu, 09 Jun 94 11:00:49 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7659; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:00:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8673; Thu, 09 Jun 94 08:00:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2842; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:00:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Carl Henry, x4282" Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tim Heller wrote: > After about 20-30 minutes riding my bicycle (with my wrist braces on) >my hands get tingly and then completely numb. After I stop riding it takes >about 5-10 minutes to completely regain the feeling in both hands. > > At this point there is no pain involved (why am I complaining), I just >wanted to see if anyone has this problem and what there doing about it. > > A little info - I have a mountain bike with foam rubber handle grips. >I have tried different hand positions with little success. One other thing you might try is to take some weight off your handlebars by raising them. I am assuming that you have the seat set right for your leg length. I shifted (no pun intended) from a drop-handlebar racing bike to a mountain bike and gained some wrist comfort from that. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Henry Dir. Administrative Computing Services Carleton College One North College St. Northfield, MN 55057-4040 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 13:16:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA12368; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:16:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:21:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091721.AA04115@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4462; Thu, 09 Jun 94 13:20:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3756; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:20:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6954; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:20:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0610; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:20:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:18:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Times Article, 6/5 X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406081102.AA07813@world.std.com> If anyone could clip out and send me the recently mentioned NY Times article, ora xerox thereof, I'd be a happy camper. Please drop me a note in email? ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 13:20:18 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA12387; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:20:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:25:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091725.AA04198@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4493; Thu, 09 Jun 94 13:25:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3887; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:25:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7133; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:25:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0785; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:25:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:22:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > For typing, I pushed my monitor to the edge of my desk and set my keyboard > so that my forearms rest on my desk and are not unsupprted in the air. This > causes wrists to be in a near neutral position. It has worked very well. In the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter, it describes very carefully why you *should not* be doing this. Perhaps you might want to get a copy. ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 13:31:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA12447; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:30:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:35:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091735.AA04381@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4606; Thu, 09 Jun 94 13:35:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4172; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:35:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7785; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:35:49 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1392; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:35:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:23:00 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: smullen Subject: CTS To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Millman responded to my earlier request for help with determining a competent caregiver for RSI. Sorry about that everyone, I am located in the Albany, Schenectady, Saratoga New York area. Any input regarding Doctors?? Lynn smullen@crd.ge.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 13:35:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA12461; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:35:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:40:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091740.AA04463@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4651; Thu, 09 Jun 94 13:39:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4280; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:39:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8017; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:40:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1583; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:40:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:37:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Pins and needles X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406081613.AA06901@world.std.com> KW, it works for some people and not for others. Part of it is finding an acupuncturist who's "on your wavelength" (I know this sounds vague, but all medicine is 50% art and 50% science and at least acu's are upfront about it). ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 13:37:16 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA12466; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:37:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:42:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091742.AA04503@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4668; Thu, 09 Jun 94 13:42:03 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4320; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:42:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8150; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:42:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1708; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:42:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:40:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Pascarelli X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406081747.AA16979@world.std.com> Tom, Wiley publishes tat book, rght? Where is Wiley ocated? --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 13:44:03 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA12489; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:44:01 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:48:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091748.AA04578@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4751; Thu, 09 Jun 94 13:48:36 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4514; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:48:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8507; Thu, 09 Jun 94 10:48:44 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2051; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:48:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:46:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Pins and needles X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406082038.AA05824@world.std.com> Bill, for acupuncture to work in the long term really requires a couple/3 visist a week for several months. The changes acu makes are very subtle. You also need to MODIFY whatever behaviors are causing the pain. Acu cannot change that. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 14:00:55 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA12540; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:00:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 14:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091805.AA04825@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4933; Thu, 09 Jun 94 14:05:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4978; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:05:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9834; Thu, 09 Jun 94 11:05:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3195; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:05:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:09:43 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nick Parker Subject: cycling X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406090740.AA01866@nick.b29.ingr.com>; from "Automatic digest processor" at Jun 9, 94 12:24 am > After about 20-30 minutes riding my bicycle (with my wrist braces on) > my hands get tingly and then completely numb. After I stop riding it takes > about 5-10 minutes to completely regain the feeling in both hands. > At this point there is no pain involved (why am I complaining), I just > wanted to see if anyone has this problem and what they're doing about it. By what I've experienced, and read in cycling books and magazines, numb and tingling hands is a problem for lots of cyclists -- not just the ones with RSI's. It sort of comes with the territory. About the wrist braces -- my guess is that they are doing more harm than good. They may be pinching nerves, and restricting circulation. I wouldn't wear them while cycling. I know from experience that cycling can be very painful if you already have a hand/arm problem. I found that the biggest problem with my mtn bike was that the standard straight handlebar didn't offer choices in hand/arm positions -- it forces you to keep basically the same hand/arm position for as long as you are on the bike. With a straight bar, I couldn't ride more than about 10-15 miles without getting into some serious wrist pain. I bought the Scott AT4 Pro handlebars (~$50 @ Performance Bicycle), and slid on thick K-Mart foam handlebar covers (~$5) over the entire bar. Now I have LOTS of choices for hand positions, and I can even lean on my forearms in an aero-tuck position, unweighting my hands. I change hand positions a lot, and I have ridden up to 100 kilometers with this setup, in relative comfort. Bonus points: those Scott bars are great for hillclimbing! Nick Parker Email nsparker@ingr.com Mgr Design & Ergonomics Intergraph Corporation From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 14:02:55 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA12551; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:02:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 14:07:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091807.AA04870@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4964; Thu, 09 Jun 94 14:07:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5062; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:07:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9981; Thu, 09 Jun 94 11:07:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3362; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:07:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:05:54 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Infogrip X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I would like opinions on Infogrip, good or bad. Do the buttons depress softly? Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 15:02:25 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA12797; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:02:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:07:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091907.AA05953@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5603; Thu, 09 Jun 94 15:07:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6725; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:07:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3631; Thu, 09 Jun 94 12:07:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6706; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:07:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:07:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: fred gerr Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Note to SOREHAND readers: I use the same workstation configuration described below for my computer and keyboard. I am very familiar with the biomedical research literature about musculoskeletal disorders and have never seen any evidence that suggests that it is harmful. While it may be the opinion of the authors of a book that it is harmful, I question whether they have any solid evidence to substantiate their assertion. On Thu, 9 Jun 1994, Tom Knotts wrote: > > > > For typing, I pushed my monitor to the edge of my desk and set my keyboard > > so that my forearms rest on my desk and are not unsupprted in the air. This > > causes wrists to be in a near neutral position. It has worked very well. > > In the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil > Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter, it describes very carefully why you > *should not* be doing this. Perhaps you might want to get a copy. > ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. > > Tom > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 15:15:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA12817; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:15:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:19:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091919.AA06139@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5748; Thu, 09 Jun 94 15:19:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7160; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:19:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4386; Thu, 09 Jun 94 12:19:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7459; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:19:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:11:24 -800 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: International Educ Dept-SPSCC Subject: Re: Flutist with Tendonitis- Trying to Contact X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9405311456.AA47096@rs6a.wln.com> On Tue, 31 May 1994, Nelson R. Pardee wrote: > My 17 year old daughter is a flutist attending the Crane School of > Music in the fall. She was diagnosed two years ago withs diagnosed > "pre-carpal tunnel" and tendonitis; she lives with pain all of the > time. I would like to do anything I can to keep her from being > disabled before she is 21! Any information, a flute discussion list, > etc., would be appreciated. > > (I recently saw a posting from a flutist, but was unable to send mail > to her. I tried to send mail directly to > spsccie@wlnc.com > but it was returned.) > --Nelson R. Pardee, Computing Services, Syracuse University -- > --120 Hinds Hall, Syracuse, NY 13244-1190 USA (315)443-1079 -- > --Bitnet: ACDNRP@SUVM Internet: NRPARDEE@SYR.EDU -- I am a flutist with tendonitis----which is, improving slowly. I don't know of any on-line discussion group, but have connected with a group (no response yet) via regular mail. I have also recently gotten a publication from John Lunn Flutes called "Hands On" which was published for the first time in January 1994, and so far no more have come. Anyway, I am extremely interested in gathering and sharing information on flutists' problems in particular. Although I am getting relief, I can also feel the potential for further problems down the road. I have played for about 18 years, and also spend much of my time at a computer. I was the flutist you tried sending mail to......my address was listed incorrectly, which is why the mail was returned. My correct address is: spsccie@wln.com. Let's be in touch. I also teach flute and want to share information on PREVENTATIVE care. I've been working with a physician and occupational therapist at a performing arts clinic in Seattle.....this has been excellent. However, my time on the claim has run out.......but I will continue to collect information as I can. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 15:51:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA12859; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:51:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:56:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091956.AA06863@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6198; Thu, 09 Jun 94 15:55:49 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8348; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:55:49 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6630; Thu, 09 Jun 94 12:55:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9433; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:55:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:52:08 -800 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: International Educ Dept-SPSCC Subject: Re: accupuncturists X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406081739.AA10756@rs6a.wln.com> You're not serious about wondering why "Oriental" medicine has a reputation for better results that "modern" medicine are you? 4 or more thousands of years experience vs. a few hundred at best, for "modern" would suggest to me "modern" medicine has something to learn....... From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 9 16:00:33 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA12924; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 16:00:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:34:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9406091934.AA06449@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5933; Thu, 09 Jun 94 15:34:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7645; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:34:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5255; Thu, 09 Jun 94 12:34:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8259; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:34:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:20:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dave- You wrote: >>For typing, I pushed my monitor to the edge of my desk and set my >>keyboard so that my forearms rest on my desk and are not unsupprted >>in the air. This causes wrists to be in a near neutral position. It >>has worked very well. According to my typing teacher from high school, this position is a little dangerous. If your wrists get lazy and drop down, you put yourself in risk of carpal tunnel syndrome. I can't even position myself so that my forearms rest while maintaining a good wrist angle. Just be careful about your position. -Karen From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 04:11:43 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id EAA15418; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 04:11:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 04:16:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9406100816.AA02609@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0759; Fri, 10 Jun 94 04:16:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0892; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 04:16:05 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3758; Fri, 10 Jun 94 01:16:15 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6647; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 01:16:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 04:10:28 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: TIM HELLER Organization: State University of New York - Central Administration Subject: Thanks for Cycling info To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Thanks for all the information about Cycling and my numb hands. I think I'm going to try the Scott AT4 Handlebars - that sounds like my best shot. I'm trying to get back into shape and pushing hard most of the time. I'll let everyone know what happens. Thanks, Tim Heller From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 09:06:00 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA15796; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:05:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 09:10:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9406101310.AA04477@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2308; Fri, 10 Jun 94 09:10:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5236; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:10:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6854; Fri, 10 Jun 94 06:10:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9522; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 06:10:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:08:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin Subject: PC Trojan Horse Alert "CD-IT" software (fwd) X-To: rlysaght@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Cc: C+HEALTH@IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU, home-ed@world.std.com, SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU, rlysaght@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 21:14:56 -0700 From: Jacquie Stock To: Multiple recipients of list ABUSE-L Subject: PC Trojan Horse Alert "CD-IT" software (fwd) Just in case any of you are gullible or ignorant . . . ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 16:15:53 -0700 From: Rita Altamore To: Multiple recipients of list HSERV-L Subject: PC Trojan Horse Alert "CD-IT" software (fwd) Just in case one of you, or someone you know, might be affected. It's also a good reminder to practice "safer computing"... ;-) Rita ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:20:13 -0700 From: John Rutherfurd Subject: FYI Virus Alert A Virus has been discovered on Internet that is disguised as CD-ROM shareware. Unknown hackers have illegally put the Chinon name on a destructive shareware file and released it on the Internet. This catastrophic virus is named "CD-IT". -- DO NOT DOWNLOAD. IT WILL CORRUPT YOUR HARD DRIVE. The program, allegedly a shareware PC utility that will convert an ordinary CD-ROM drive into a CD-Recordable (CD-R) device, which is technically impossible, instead destroys critical system files on a user's hard drive. The program also immediately crashes the CPU, forces the user to reboot and stays in memory. Widest dissemination is requested. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 09:35:30 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA15860; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:35:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 09:40:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9406101340.AA04686@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2618; Fri, 10 Jun 94 09:40:17 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6117; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:40:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8605; Fri, 10 Jun 94 06:40:26 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3207; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 06:40:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:38:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Times Article, 6/5 X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406091750.AA29439@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> Craig, I'll copy and send you the Times article. Send me your snail mail address. Dan ************************************************************************** * Dan Gottesman, Ergonomist * * Vermont Rehabilitation Engineering Research Center for Low Back Pain * * 1 S. Prospect St. Burlington VT 05401 * * University of Vermont Voice: 802-656-4228 Fax: 802-660-9243 * ************************************************************************** On Thu, 9 Jun 1994, Craig O'Donnell wrote: > If anyone could clip out and send me the recently mentioned NY Times > article, ora xerox thereof, I'd be a happy camper. > > Please drop me a note in email? > > > > ...COD > > -- > Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet > dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 10:18:00 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA15977; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:17:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 10:23:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406101423.AA05140@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3103; Fri, 10 Jun 94 10:22:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7491; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:22:47 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1062; Fri, 10 Jun 94 07:22:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5150; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 07:22:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:21:24 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: AlKorn@AOL.COM Subject: RSI Support Group Online X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To those of you who may happen to have an account on AOL there is an active RSI Support Group every Tuesday Night in the Equal Access Cafe. This realtime chat, starts 6/14 at 11pm est. There will be various weekly topics. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 10:30:44 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA15993; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:30:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 10:35:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9406101435.AA05313@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3244; Fri, 10 Jun 94 10:35:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7983; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:35:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1883; Fri, 10 Jun 94 07:35:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5853; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 07:35:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:27:39 EST5EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Alan C. H." Organization: McGill University - P&OT Subject: Musicians -- overuse injuries X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A potentially useful reference for the musicians among the readership: Overuse Injuries Incurred by Musicians, in PHYSIOTHERAPY CANADA, Winter 1992, pp 23-30, by Linda Nagai and Janice Eng. 36 references for futher pursuit in this area. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 11:07:12 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA16095; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:07:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:11:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9406101511.AA05773@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3642; Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:11:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9172; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:11:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4346; Fri, 10 Jun 94 08:11:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7803; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:11:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:03:09 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Re[2]: accupuncturists X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406092132.AA04524@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Karen Whitehouse" at Jun 9, 94 2:31 pm | >>The question suggests itself: why was European traditional medicine | >>so ineffective that "modern" medicine developed? Also: Why are the | >>Chinese adding "modern" techniques to their traditional methods? Why | >>are traditional methods resulting in the eradication of rhinos? | >>Anybody trying Chinese herbs for their RSI? Can we think | >>of other areas of human knowledge where 4000 years provides clear | >>superiority? Whoa!!! Who said it was so ineffecive? Western science didn't come about because the Eastern science didn't work. It came about because westerners are insistent about proving why something works. Eastern science has always had seemingly "mystical" explanations that the scientific method won't tolerate. If you can't see it in a microscope, or measure it with an instrument, it doesn't exist. |Specifically on RSI, all western medicine can tell me right now is to |do some exercises and change my equipment/habits. The only thing it can |do for my pain is give me Motrin, which can have side effects as |unpleasant as any discomfort except a high level of pain. If a shaman |can relieve my pain without making me throw up, I'm willing to give his |method a try. I think Depok Copra's book "Quantum Healing: Exploring the Frontiers of Body/Mind Medicine" explains a lot of things. The gap between Western and Eastern Philosophies are becoming more narrow. The Eastern, or Oriental, approaches work very well if the disease is caught in its early stages. It is after all, the body that does the healing; not the drug. Drugs assists the immune system but often produce side effects. Herbs and meridian theory (accupucture and accupressure) assist the body to heal itself as well. They tend to be more gentle, working with the system, instead of assaulting it. Therefore they tend to take longer to work. We're so used to wanting everything NOW, that we often are not willing to give the more subtle approaches time to work. Western science is usually trying the fix something after it is so completely degenerated that only surgery (take it out) will be effective. And in this realm, it works well. And of course, germ theory proved effective for irradicating the plagues through our history. But Western science doesn't work in all cases either. The Eastern methods also take the whole person into account. They have always related the emotions, spirit, chi, and physical matter as a web of interaction. The western approach has always separated the body/mind and treated the body as a mechanism. Which it is... but it's not the whole story. As the book explains, recent finds in neurobiology are revealing just how accurate the Eastern methods are. The accepted "western" models of how the body works are being challenged in a very fundamental way. And I agree, I would like to see the Eastern methods investigated to see "how they work". After all, that's how the scientific method started in the first place right. So that people could prove and REPRODUCE a given phenomena. Proof is so relative... what was absolutely true yesterday is now seen to be inaccurate. Besides western science surely doesn't understand everything. My father is dying of cancer. All the current methods of radiation are not working for him (or my grandmother). Both of them are getting increaseingly worse. My grandmother is now in a hospice program. A few days ago I heard about an herbal formula called Essiac. The formula is a native indian mix of herbs that detoxifies the system. There are thousands of known reports where using the formula have caused total remission of cancer. A friend of mine's father is in total remission now after having used the mixture. I was so impressed that I applied for a distributorship license for the company that makes the mixture. I just bought it and sent it to both my grandmother and father. We'll see what happens. I'm keeping an open mind about alternative methodology outside the "current thought" of the American Medical Association. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 14:03:12 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA16640; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:03:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406101808.AA08103@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5745; Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:07:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4813; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:07:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6769; Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:08:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3896; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:08:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:05:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Robert W. Vellinga" Subject: Neutral wrist posture while biking To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tim Heller queries: > After about 20-30 minutes riding my bicycle (with my wrist braces on) >my hands get tingly and then completely numb. After I stop riding it takes >about 5-10 minutes to completely regain the feeling in both hands. > At this point there is no pain involved (why am I complaining), I just >wanted to see if anyone has this problem and what there doing about it. > A little info - I have a mountain bike with foam rubber handle grips. >I have tried different hand positions with little success. Tim, I have had the same experience with both my road bike and my mountain bike. However, my numbness is restricted to the ring finger and little finger. Given this localized condition, I presume that it results from the compression of the ulnar nerve at the base of the palm. Altering you hand positions and posture is the best way to alleviate this, but with only the straight handlebar, the options are limited. I have added handlebar ends (approx. 4 in. long and affixed perpendicular to the handlebar - ~$20) to my mountain bike. These accessories allow for more neutral postures in the wrist while cycling and the vertical angle can be adjusted to suit the rider. Although they may not be able to achieve the absolute neutral posture, they certainly offer another option for hand location. Padded cycling gloves help as well. Rob From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 16:44:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA17069; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:44:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 16:49:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9406102049.AA10428@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7569; Fri, 10 Jun 94 16:49:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9646; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:49:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7291; Fri, 10 Jun 94 13:49:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8245; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:49:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:47:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Response to smullen X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Carpal tunnel syndrome may be overdiagnosed in some cases but I would hardly say it is rare. Judging from your symptoms (I'm not a medical person - so this is my opinion) you may actually have more than one thing going on with your hands/arms/upper extremities. The nerve conduction study will determine if there is nerve damage or impairment. I was originally diagnosed with CTS but with no nerve damage the diagnosis was changed to tendonitis. Also, different people heal/recover at different rates. For instance, my husband recovers fairly quickly to sprains and strains. I don't at all. In addition, different people respond better to different anti-inflammatories. 1800 mg of ibuprofen per day didn't do a thing for the discomfort in my wrist but Naprosyn worked(s) great - for me. Sorry this is kind of disjointed in the responses. I don't really have much to suggest except, if you every have doubts about the abilities of your medical professional - go see someone else for a second opinion. You should never feel forced to go with someone you don't trust. Good luck in your pursuit of identifying what all is going on in your upper extremities. Joy From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 16:59:38 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA17144; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:59:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:04:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9406102104.AA10681@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7688; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:04:17 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9949; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:04:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8172; Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:04:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9012; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:04:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:01:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin Subject: Evaluation of DataHand keyboard X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am a computer programmer/analyst by profession. I became injured on the job, and was diagnosed with tendinitis in both arms. As part of my physical therapy, we (my treatment team and I) decided to try out some of the new ergonomic keyboards to see if they'd be helpful. One of the keyboards we selected was the DataHand. They loaned it to my occupational therapist for a 30- day free trial after she filled out an extensive survey form. I used it under the close supervision of my occupational therapist. After 1.5 weeks, I had to stop using it because my symptoms were getting progressively worse at a rapid rate, even though I was using the keyboard only 30 - 50 minutes per day on the average (in 10-minute increments with breaks and other activities in between). Since I've stopped using the DataHand, my symptoms have been decreasing. This posting is a summary of my personal observations of the DataHand keyboard. I want to emphasize that the information presented here is not the result of a controlled, scientific evaluation of the product. These comments are based on my personal observations, and the experiences I had with the DataHand. They may or may not similar to the experiences that others have had with the DataHand. Summary ------- The concept behind the DataHand is creative and innovative, and possibly has good potential. However, it needs some re-design before it will be useful to me. Strengths --------- 1. It allows for neutral position of my arms (with slight modification of how it sits on the desk top). I found that the most comfortable position was when each DataHand unit was angled about 15 to 20 degrees away from center position (tipped to the left and right respectively), and tipped slightly forward. The data hand units had no built-in methods for doing this, so we had to place paper towels under each unit to achieve the best angle. 2. Minimizes tendon excursion (reaching with fingers to reach keys). 3. According to manufacturer, increased typing speed. This is probably true for people who typed slow to begin with. I wonder about this for people who already type fast (approximately 65 words per minute or higher). I type between 70 - 80 words per minute, and have a hard time believing I could maintain that kind of speed on the DataHand. Having to frequently shift between three different modes can make for a lot of extra key strokes. 4. Adjusts to fit multiple hand sizes, but did not adjust to the very small hand size of another person who I saw trying it. 5. I would give their customer support department a grade of "B-". The people who I talked to were always patient and courteous, but were not as strong technically as was needed for the kinds of problems we encountered. Having a toll free number available for all technical questions was a plus. 6. Eliminates the need for a mouse on some computers because DataHand acts as both a mouse and a keyboard (although we couldn't get the mouse to work on the computer at my rehabilitation center; it did work on my home computer). Use of DataHand mouse feature is optional, and the keyboard feature can be used along with an existing mouse. 7. You can adjust how far apart the two sections of keyboard are. 8. From what I could tell, it requires only slightly more surface area on the desk (approximately 30% more than standard keyboard) for me. For others, it could require as much as 50% more surface area on the desk. 9. Easy to transport from one location to another. Light- weight. Comes with a cardboard carrying case. However, this will wear out after prolonged usage. Should probably come with a sturdier carrying case. This is especially important when you consider that approximately 30% of all American households have computers in the home. It is quite likely that people who use computers both at work and at home will want to use the keyboard in both locations. 10. You can quickly return the DataHand to your own customized ergonomic position if someone else was using it and changed your settings. This makes sharing it with others easier. This would be even easier if there were some kind of numbers printed where the adjustments are made so you could write down those numbers, and return the settings to them when needed. Weaknesses ---------- 1. Price - VERY EXPENSIVE ($2000.00). Its benefits are, in my opinion, are not enough to justify this high price. It is almost twice as expensive as most other ergonomic keyboards that I have seen on the market today. I personally wouldn't be willing to pay this price, and believe that this one factor alone may scare away many potential buyers. 2. Current design did not allow me to fully relax my arms and hands when my fingers were on the home keys. This factor alone resulted in a rapid increase in my symptoms during the almost two weeks that I used the unit. Specifically, here are the problems that I found: - poor palm support (one size fits all). Small circular rubber palm supports that come with it can help this problem, but not enough. - keys were too sensitive to the touch, especially the ones that are pushed straight down and that you pull towards you (i.e. C and V keys). Because the keys are so sensitive, the weight of my fingers on the keys constantly activated them. We tried experimenting with a variety of setting for the depth of the keys. We also used putty to try a variety of palm support positions. Nothing that we tried allowed me to keep my hands and arms in a relaxed position while I was typing or while I was resting between typing strokes. The only way I was able to keep my fingers from inadvertently activating the keys was to keep my hands constantly tensed so as to draw them back and away from the keys. This tensing of my arms and wrists very rapidly aggravated my tendinitis symptoms, and was the primary reason I've had to rule out the DataHand for consideration for use on the job. - no built-in method to adjust the angle of sections on desk surface (they just lay flat). We were able to get a good adjustment using paper towels and other such items. The palms straight down position is not the most neutral hand position, but this unit forces your hand into that position unless you put something under it to lean it. We had to lean it both sideways, and back to get a better neutral wrist position. The primitive looking diagram below shows where we placed the paper towels to angle it the way we needed to: L| |R _ _ 3. If too much pressure is applied to the keys, they pop off and are difficult to re-install (my 9-year old accidently did this when I had it at home to try on my PC). There are no instructions in the manual for how to put them back on. Three people weren't able to figure it out. We finally had to seek the assistance of an electronics expert who figured it out after 5 - 10 minutes of looking at it. 4. Units seem highly susceptible to damage from liquids/food being dropped into them. Circuit board seems to be poorly protected. 5. Can be used only on PC's. Can't be used on mainframe dumb terminals. 6. The documentation we received was far out-of-date, and contained errors. As a result, we needed to call customer support for almost every question we had. 7. It was not as adaptable to our PC as we would have preferred. It uses a serial port for the mouse and our computer doesn't. We couldn't just unplug the mouse and plug in the DataHand. We never were able to get the mouse function to work on the PC at the rehabilitation center. I did get it to work on my PC at home (which also uses the serial port for the mouse). 8. 40-50 hrs. to relearn keyboard and be proficient. 9. I found the mouse tracking speed is very slow compared to a regular mouse, even after I adjusted the tracking speed to the maximum speed using the Windows control panel. I personally would not want to use this feature because of how slow it is. gmartin@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 17:33:31 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA17207; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:33:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9406102138.AA11141@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7914; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:38:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0656; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:38:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0279; Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:38:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1187; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:38:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:11:22 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Modern vs. Traditional X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > The question suggests itself: why was European traditional medicine so > ineffective that "modern" medicine developed? Also: Why are the Chinese > adding "modern" techniques to their traditional methods? As in most things, it is a question of balance. I celebrate the apparent trading of knowledge that is happening between east and west. While the Chinese are choosing aspects of modern medicine, many more modern physicians are incorporating thoughts of the east. The acupuncturist I see is a western trained M.D. He is also very clear about the boundaries of his specialty. This is not a black and white question. Let's just use what works. Gary Karp Onsight From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 17:36:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA17212; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:36:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:41:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9406102141.AA11169@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7939; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:40:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0726; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:40:47 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0387; Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:40:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1811; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:40:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:01:18 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Keyboard Position X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Re: the recent on keyboard positioning. > For typing, I pushed my monitor to the edge of my desk and set my keyboard > so that my forearms rest on my desk and are not unsupprted in the air. If your forearms are truly resting on the desk, then, unless (Excuse me, LifeGuard just reminded me to take a deep breath and relax. Why don't you,too?) your desk is set at an ideal height and position, you are probably being drawn forward and your back put into a rounded position. This is something to avoid, as it is not good for the spine (as a habitual pattern) and also closes the ribs around the lungs, limiting breathe and tends us to drop the chin and overwork the neck. It may also be pulling you too close to the monitor, leading to eyestrain. If the surface is hard, the ulnar nerve may be pressed on at or near the elbow. At the least, resting on a hard surface is just plain uncomfortable, and is a factor - however small - in work-related stress. Resting the arms on the desk also suggests that all of the movement of typing is therefore restricted to the hands. I subscribe to the notion that allowing movement in the hands, wrists, forearms, and shoulders as we type allows the forces to be spread over a wider area, therefore protecting tissues in the hand and wrist where these forces would otherwise be stopped. I believe that variety is key. Reality is that we are not going to float our hands in the air all of the time while we type - and shouldn't. This involves chronic, static contraction of muscles throughout the arm which are exactly a factor in the potential for injury. The fact is, we all want to rest our hands on something from time to time as we type in an extended session. I like to see people have something soft and supportive for those moments, but not get in the habit of resting on it at all times. There is an excellent new book which focuses on typing style. Since another fact of reality is that most computer users - at this time - are not going to switch away from the flat keyboard (I love my Maltron) they should at least learn all they can about safe hand use. The book discusses finger, thumb, and wrist positions in considerable detail. It was written by an accomplished concert pianist. It is the best primer I have seen on typing ergonomics. "The Hand Book" by Stephanie Brown, published by Ergonome, ISBN 1-884388-01-9. Stay cool. Keep warm. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 19:07:15 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA17403; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:07:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 19:12:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406102312.AA12463@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8617; Fri, 10 Jun 94 19:11:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2624; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:11:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5384; Fri, 10 Jun 94 16:12:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0180; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:12:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:07:00 MST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: CHRISTY MILLER Subject: Can RSI be caused by....? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Approximately two years ago, I agreed to help out with a project that was not part of my job. It involved shelving of current journals so that we could keep tabs on their use for a study to assess the use of our acquisitions budget. There are two areas.....science (which are heavy and dense) and all the others which for the most part are the lighter kind. A book truck was provided for the ones upstairs (the non-science) but not for the science. I requested one (because it was standard procedure to use one) but was told that so-and-so did it a certain way---carrying them around---so I was to do the same. I wasn't happy about it but I did it. After a few weeks I noticed that my wrists heated up during this work but I didn't really think anything of it at that time......hindsight....oh well. I just knew that it wasn't really comfortable for me so I told the rest of the crew not to leave science for me all of the time which was what was happening. Apparently, noone else liked shelving that way either and since all of us were trained para-professionals it wasn't a job we really relished anyway. Well my requests were not only ignored but I would arrive in the morning and a note would be on my desk telling (not requesting) me to go shelve the science because the other had already been done. After a few months of this, the pain started. I didn't know why yet. I just knew that on some days it was worse than others. Then the connection hit me. On the days that I did the shelving, my hands started hurting right away that morning and on the days that I didn't I could type away for most of the day and it didn't start bothering me until later in the day. At this point, I told my boss what was going on and absolutely refused to do the shelving anymore but it was too late. The condition just continued to worsen and I ended up having bilateral release surgery December of 1992. I was doing pretty good last year with intermittent visits to the physical therapist but now it has started up again. It's not as bad as last time yet but I don't want to wait and let it get that bad. And because my production is not what it used to be, I'm slowly being edged out of my position here. They don't dare let me go because of what I've already said and the ADA but life sure is difficult around here and I think they are trying to force me to leave on my own (especially the ones who refused to give me a book truck in the first place). I would like nothing better but I can't afford it and I don't dare give up my medical benefits now with this going on. So I'm stuck in between....not wanting to continue what seems to be causing my CTS to recur but also not being able to stop it. I've tried just about everything suggested already on the list. Does anyone know if CTS can be caused by an injury in this manner? Would the kind of stress that was being put on my wrists by carrying around those stacks of journals initiate CTS? It was a blatant departure from standard procedure to require me to do that job in that way. I asked a doctor and he told me that it would be very hard to prove. I may have to get an attorney because my insurance and I have been picking up the medical bills and I may have to force some action around here. Anyone know? or have any suggestions? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 19:11:25 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA17424; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:11:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 19:16:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9406102316.AA12540@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8638; Fri, 10 Jun 94 19:16:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2684; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:16:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5570; Fri, 10 Jun 94 16:16:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0294; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:16:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:19:00 GMT Reply-To: root@paul.hacktic.nl Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Paul Ulenbelt Organization: My Home Computer in Leiden, Holland Subject: industrial RSI X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am very impressed bij the reported RSI-injuries on this listserver. Most of reported cases are related to computers. Are their cases or other info about RSI and related symptoms in industrial settings? Until now RSI is not an issue in my country. I am looking for cases or general info about RSI, CTS etc associated with monotonous and repetitive work in industry. Please let me know, to make RSI an issue in Europe too. ------------------------ ;-) -------------------------------------------- Paul Ulenbelt e-mail: ulenbelt@paul.hacktic.nl Industry Workers Union / Dept Health and Safety / Amsterdam / Netherlands -------------------------------------------------- ;-)------------------- From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 20:08:57 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA17637; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:08:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 20:13:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406110013.AA13124@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8916; Fri, 10 Jun 94 20:13:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3476; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:13:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7976; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:13:47 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3617; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:13:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:11:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Evaluation of DataHand keyboard X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > DataHand. They loaned it to my occupational therapist for a 30- > day free trial after she filled out an extensive survey form. I > used it under the close supervision of my occupational therapist. > After 1.5 weeks, I had to stop using it because my symptoms were > getting progressively worse at a rapid rate, even though I was > using the keyboard only 30 - 50 minutes per day on the average > (in 10-minute increments with breaks and other activities in > between). Since I've stopped using the DataHand, my symptoms > have been decreasing. Perhaps it was too soon for you to go back to work. Also, you probably got sore because you weren't used to the new stresses that this keyboard exerts on your hand. This happened to me when I first seitched to the Comfort split keyboard. > > 1. It allows for neutral position of my arms So does the Comfort. > > 2. Minimizes tendon excursion (reaching with fingers to reach > keys). Better than the Comfort. > 4. Adjusts to fit multiple hand sizes, but did not adjust to > the very small hand size of another person who I saw trying > it. The Comfort is nearly infinitely adjustable. This can be a drwaback as Dr Pascarelli points out, since without proper supervision, one can get it in an injurious position. It's good that you were under supervision. > > 6. Eliminates the need for a mouse on some computers because > DataHand acts as both a mouse and a keyboard (although we > couldn't get the mouse to work on the computer at my > rehabilitation center; it did work on my home computer). I switched to a trackball with a footswitch. This really helps. > 7. You can adjust how far apart the two sections of keyboard > are. Ditto with COmfort. > Weaknesses > ---------- > > 1. Price - VERY EXPENSIVE ($2000.00). Its benefits are, in my The COmfort is ~ $800. > > 2. Current design did not allow me to fully relax my arms and > hands when my fingers were on the home keys. This factor > alone resulted in a rapid increase in my symptoms during the > almost two weeks that I used the unit. I use the so-called elbow rests. There are stirrups that follow the arm movement. With these, I am completely relaxed, even when I glide my hand over to the trackball. > - poor palm support (one size fits all). Small circular > rubber palm supports that come with it can help this > problem, but not enough. I don't think it is good to be pressing down on the palms when typing. > > - keys were too sensitive to the touch, especially the > ones that are pushed straight down and that you pull > towards you (i.e. C and V keys). The Comfort keys have a very nice feel, with a soft landing. I highly recommend you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. Good luck, Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 21:52:12 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id VAA17863; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:52:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 21:57:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9406110157.AA14334@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9441; Fri, 10 Jun 94 21:56:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4778; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:56:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2262; Fri, 10 Jun 94 18:57:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7394; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 18:57:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:54:55 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: Re[3]: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dave wrote: >The entire length of my forearms are supported by the >top of the desk, not just the end. I know of a couple of folks with mild RSI symptoms who did this and felt better. They made sure that their elbows were not on the desk, tho. Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've Been Moved -- out of IBM! If you know anyone who needs someone to improve the usability of their user interfaces, drop me a note... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 23:06:19 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA18009; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:06:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 23:11:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406110311.AB15034@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9759; Fri, 10 Jun 94 23:11:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5607; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:11:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3968; Fri, 10 Jun 94 20:11:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0984; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:11:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:00:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin Subject: Re: Evaluation of DataHand keyboard X-To: Tom Knotts X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406110241.WAA16595@acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us> Interesting that you'd mention the Comfort keyboard. My company bought one for me about 6 months ago, just two weeks before I took off work. So I had a chance to use it in the "real world" for two weeks. But there were two problems unrelated to the keyboard. First, I had terrible arm supports (a problem that's now been corrected). Second, I was experiencing pretty severe pain, and no keyboard on earth would have helped me at that point. I've been off work since then and don't expect to be able to get back to work for about another 2 months or so. Meanwhile, I'll continue with physical therapy. Just after I quit using the DataHand, I started using the Comfort keyboard right away. However, by that time, my symptoms had increased so much that I have to quit using any keyboard all-together until my symptoms go back down. I hope to be able to start using the Comfort keyboard again in about 2 - 4 weeks. I am optimistic and hopeful that with the improved arm rests, that it will work for me this time. Thanks Tom for your comments. Gary Martin gmartin@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 10 23:08:24 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA18014; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:08:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 23:13:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9406110313.AA15060@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9769; Fri, 10 Jun 94 23:13:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5639; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:13:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4035; Fri, 10 Jun 94 20:13:15 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1024; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:13:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:12:19 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Acupuncture X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I got acu from a Chinese doc who combined it with electro stim (thru the needles). During the treatment you normally have spasms. After 2 treatments I had spasms in every limb constantly. I do believe that I have had nerve entrapment problems too. I think the acupuncture "overcharged" my nervous system and caused it to respond with spasms. I had the spasms for 6 months and still have them occassionally. I've heard that this is rare. People assured me beforehand that acu has no risks. Bull____. I regret trying it and unfortunately am more cautious of trying any human invention/concoction. Good luck shansen@adobe.com Steve Hansen From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 11 08:30:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA19313; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:30:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jun 94 08:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406111234.AA17709@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1143; Sat, 11 Jun 94 08:34:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9789; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:34:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3348; Sat, 11 Jun 94 05:34:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8724; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 05:34:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:32:55 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND "If cold steel and sunshine can't fix it, the orthopedist doesn't believe it exists" Anon. too much. Because everyone is working on voice recognition. It is just a matter of time before some one develops a good cross platform system Evan Kay From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 11 08:30:19 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA19322; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:30:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jun 94 08:35:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406111235.AA17718@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1145; Sat, 11 Jun 94 08:34:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9792; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:34:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3360; Sat, 11 Jun 94 05:35:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8732; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 05:35:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:33:15 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND RE: Note to SOREHAND readers: The problem is that there was realy too little information in the original post to say for certain that the work setup was a bad one. Wrists should be supported in neutral posture, it is also nice if the entire arm is supported. Problems CAN arise however when the person uses a standard height desk and rests their forearms in such a manner as to put additiona pressure on the carpal canal, the ulnar notch or much compensate for improper work height with the shoulder muscualture. It aslo depends upon the position of the rest of the body as well. Evan Kay From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 11 08:53:29 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA19343; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:53:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jun 94 08:34:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9406111234.AA17707@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1142; Sat, 11 Jun 94 08:34:27 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9787; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:34:27 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3341; Sat, 11 Jun 94 05:34:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8720; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 05:34:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 08:32:48 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Turns out I'm just psycho X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND You might also see if the diagnosis is correct. YOu use the term acute in one of your diagnoses. Sometimes laypeople think the term acute something or other means that it is severe. An acute condition is one that has had a relatively recent onset thus often time people who know what the term means see acute and think Oh this is not a chronic condition. Re garding the 1979 study, you might ask the good doctor if he has any information more recent than a 15 year old study. It should not be that hard use use a lit serch for RSI or cummulative trauma and find boxcars of information on the subject. Evan Kay EKay@aol.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 11 17:44:50 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA20081; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 17:44:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jun 94 17:49:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9406112149.AA00808@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3092; Sat, 11 Jun 94 17:49:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5654; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 17:49:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5164; Sat, 11 Jun 94 14:49:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9595; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 14:49:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 14:47:07 -0700 Reply-To: Deborah Stiles Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Deborah Stiles Subject: Book X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406110311.AA00158@mx2.u.washington.edu> I recently had the pleasure of reviewing the book, "Zap! How your computer can hurt you--and what you can do about it" by Don Sellers. Published in 1994 by Peachpit Press, Inc., ISBN# 1-55609-021-0. The price is $12.95 in the USA, and $17.95 in Canada. It is a 150 page handbook for computer users and those interested in prevention of computer-related injuries. There are 25 chapters with the titles as follows: Introduction Eyestrain Glasses and Contact Lenses Headaches Lighting Monitors Radiation Pregnancy The Chair The Desk Keyboards and Mice The Perfect Workstation Shoulders to Hands Back and Neck Pain Stress Schedules Office Air Health Basics Stretching and Exercise Medications Kids Software Getting Medical Help Changing the Workplace Where Else to Turn I found it to be a useful resource book with accurate information. It was easy to find information, was artistically presented, and was carefully written to account for the complexities and uncertainties of working with computers. There is also an impressive list of health experts and other contributors to the book. Debbie Stiles From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 12 14:50:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA21965; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 14:50:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jun 94 14:55:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406121855.AA02537@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5712; Sun, 12 Jun 94 14:54:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2808; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 14:55:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0224; Sun, 12 Jun 94 11:54:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0193; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 11:54:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 08:00:02 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Re: Can RSI be cause by...? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Christy Miller writes: > Does anyone know if CTS can be caused by an injury in this manner? > Would the kind of stress that was being put on my wrists by carrying > around those stacks of journals initiate CTS? I would consider it possible for the journal project to be the source of your pain. You are performing repetitive motions, straining tissues with the weight of the documents. You are also probably reaching ahead of yourself, overworking the shoulders. The gripping of the fingers alone is a lot of work for those muscles and tendons. What you need is for a qualified doctor to confirm that your injuries are work related. It seems to me you have a clear cause and effect - no pain before the journals project, much pain after, and continuing to do it brings on the symptoms. Usually the process is that you file a Workers' Comp claim, they send you to a doctor, and if you don't like that one you get one chance to choose one of your own (at least in California). I am not a doctor, and this has to be confirmed by someone qualified to examine you and take into account your recent activities. Questions. Are there any other people doing this work having symptoms? Have you kept a log of your symptoms in relation to the work? Do you know that the ADA is entirely separate from Workers' Comp? In California, the WC law is now clear that you do not give away the right to make a civil rights claim on the ADA separate from WC. A long term, temporary disability may qualify you under the law. Still, avoiding adversarial actions with your employer is best, unless it is truly necessary. Unfortunately there are many horror stories like yours, of employers who do not understand the hazards and try to cover them over or make them go away by making the person go away. Stick with it, and take care of yourself. Good luck. Gary Karp Onsight San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 12 14:50:31 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA21970; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 14:50:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jun 94 14:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9406121855.AA02545@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5714; Sun, 12 Jun 94 14:55:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2812; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 14:55:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0267; Sun, 12 Jun 94 11:54:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0221; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 11:54:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 08:00:06 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Re: Industrial RSI X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Paul Ulenbest wrote from the Netherlands: > I am very impressed bij the reported RSI-injuries on this listserver. Most > of reported cases are related to computers. > Are their cases or other info about RSI and related symptoms in industrial > settings? There sure are, and many predate computer use. This is not a new problem. Some of the most pernicious: Meat packers. Thousands of cuts in a cold environment. Often blades are not kept sharp, and the design of knives has been such that the wrist must be bent (deviated) during the work. High incidence. Postal workers. Sorting letters into an array of slots, some high up requiring awkward reaches and gripping. Now the machines are making it worse, and the pace is programmed such that they get seconds to make a decision on each piece of mail. Grocery clerks. Keying the cash register has been a source of trouble, and now the scanners pose a problem because the workers often bend the wrist, or grip the merchandise in awkward ways. Just yesterday I gave a brief primer to a checker at my local market, and no one had ever bothered to tell him to try to keep his wrists straight, to lift heavy objects (gallons of milk, for instance) with both hands and close to the body, or not to hit the keys so hard. He was amazed. Others: musicians, hairstylists, sign interpreters, body workers. And of course all sorts of assembly and industrial work. This is a very interesting area of ergonomics, as new tools are being designed that don't require awkward postures, attempt to minimize vibration, and allows the work to be oriented in the right relationship to the body. For more info contact the University of Michigan, Department of Industrial and Operations Engineering, Ann Arbor , Michigan, 48109-2117. Dr. Thomas Armstrong is a well known lecturer and researcher on the topic of industrial ergonomics, and goes into industrial settings to consult. Gary Karp Onsight San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 12 15:39:56 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA27335; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 15:39:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jun 94 15:44:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9406121944.AA02941@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5976; Sun, 12 Jun 94 15:44:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3480; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 15:44:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5871; Sun, 12 Jun 94 12:44:47 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8775; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 12:44:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 15:44:24 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Mark Finkelstein Subject: voice strain X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.Berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Back in early May, Steve Hansen wrote: "...there are also guidelines to follow to avoid voice strain..." this was in reference to voice recognition systems. What are these guidelines? No sense straining another part of my body while trying to heal the hands. -- Mark flink.cc.bellcore.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 12 23:17:21 1994 Received: from churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA27335; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 23:17:19 -0400 Received: from [18.92.0.3] by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Jun 94 14:53:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406111853.AA04047@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2442; Sat, 11 Jun 94 14:49:27 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3881; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 14:49:27 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1518; Sat, 11 Jun 94 11:49:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1772; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 11:49:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 14:48:35 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: GGunther@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Flutist with Ten... X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND There's an excellent article in this month's issue [June] of Smithsonian magazine. The article highlights the RSI treatment work at the Miller Health Care Institute for Performing Artists. Dr. Emil Pascarelli [founder and director of the Miller Institute] is co-author of the "RSI, A Computer User's Guide" book often cited here in Sorehand Land. About a thousand patients a month are treated here... from ballet dancers, Broadway dancers, philharmonic flutists and career writer types. Hope this is useful information. Best-- --Greg Gunther From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 02:42:50 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id CAA12353; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 02:42:43 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 02:48:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9406130648.AA03456@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8817; Mon, 13 Jun 94 02:47:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0282; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 02:47:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4676; Sun, 12 Jun 94 23:47:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3860; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 23:47:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 22:30:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Julie Unger McCullough Subject: Users of DragonDictate in D.C./Baltimore area? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am working on a Ph.D. at the University of MD and started suffering tendonitis in both hands earlier this spring--result of typing interview transcripts as part of dissertation research. I've got several questions. 1. I have looked a little into funding options--since I a) wasn't working in paid employment at the start of problems, and b) since I'm working on graduate studies rather than undergrad, I don't seem to qualify for $$ through the university's Disabled Student Support (or whatever it's called), nor for State Vocational Rehabilitation Services. Has anyone had better success, or have suggestions? I was hoping to get some money to help pay for a voice computer and/or some personal assistance with research and school related tasks. 2. I am seriously considering a DragonDictate Classic system and need help convincing my husband this would be a good investment. We would really like to talk with someone in the Washington, D.C. or Baltimore, MD area who has used one--and hopefully have an opportunity to see you actually using it, in person. We've already gotten a demo from the local distributor, but hubby wants to talk to someone who's been personally using it for awhile. 3. Has anyone used a voice system for transcribing interviews--my dissertation is based on oral history interviews so this would be a major part of my using Dragon Dictate and I want to make sure it's appropriate? 4. I've put most of my dissertation work on hold for the summer--my "ADL" or "activities for daily living" have fallen to about 25% of regular, making eating, driving, etc. awfully difficult. I'd love to hear success stories of students who've have been able to go back to work on Ph.D. after developing RSI's. Feel free to send messages to my E-mail account: juliemcc@wam.umd.edu. Thanks for your help/advice/etc. Also, I wanted to share one thing from my experience. I am with an HMO and initially was referred to the plan's physiatrist. I've seen high praise in SOREHAND for these doctors but had a lousy experience with mine--simply didn't listen, was looking for overnight "magic" solutions, insisted that if 2 weeks P.T. didn't help, P.T. wouldn't help with further time, etc. The only positive thing he did was to give me a referal to a rheumatologist. I've only seen the rheumatologist once, but he really seemed to listen and take problems seriously--he may not be the best specialist. The particular person may make more diff. than the type of specialty... From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 10:07:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA12976; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:07:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:13:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131413.AA06189@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0788; Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:12:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5738; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:12:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7606; Mon, 13 Jun 94 07:12:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5022; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 07:12:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:13:58 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Peace be with you." Subject: more keyboarding .... To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND OK, so a few more folks have posted regarding my keyboard postioning, I'll try to be as brief but detailed as possible. _________ | | head ----> O forearm | | monitor upper arm ----> \ | | | \------ *** |_______| *** -> keyboard \_____ thigh ^ \ | \ calf back \___ foot I hope the graphic helps. The keyboard is 13 inches from the edge of my desk, so the screen is 27 inches from my eyes. I have a chair with a spherical joint under the seat so I can lean back such that my back is at 45 degrees to the floor. My forearms rest on the desk with the my elbows slightly above or resting on the desk but not on my ulnar nerve. > Gary wrote: >Resting the arms on the desk also suggests that all of the movement of typing >is therefore restricted to the hands. I subscribe to the notion that >allowing movement in the hands, wrists, forearms, and shoulders as we type >allows the forces to be spread over a wider area, therefore protecting >tissues in the hand and wrist where these forces would otherwise be stopped. It does not matter whether you raise your arms, move the hands and wrist, shoulders, etc...; force is transmitted across your joints if your muscles fire. If your arms are rested on the desk and your elbow is fixed, then the hand and wrist motors balace the forces that result from typing. If you elevate your forearm, then the upper arm motors fire to resist gravity. They do not act to assist in typing unless you would keep your fingers and wrist fixed and strike the keyboard by flex-extending your elbow. Even then the load applied by typing would be transmitted to the joints. I've done this for over a year with no adverse effects when I started to get CT sympthoms. I have had no back problems either. My chair has a rigid plastic back and I keep my entire back in contact with the chair. Also no neck problems. It has worked for me. Dave From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 12:49:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA13543; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 12:54:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131654.AB09086@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2813; Mon, 13 Jun 94 12:54:18 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1791; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:54:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8330; Mon, 13 Jun 94 09:54:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4022; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:54:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:52:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Donna Workman at above address." Subject: Re: Neutral wrist posture while biking To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >I agree, bar ends are the most helpful way to alleviate the problem of "cocked" wrists while mountain biking because not only can you change your position freq uently but if you install them an inch or so in on the bar, you can also rest th e heel of your hand on the bar, also a more restful positio for some conditions. This has helped MY condition enormously (de Quervains). What I have trouble w ith is more the changing of gears, particular with the left hand. Have gone to a MUCH more expensive set of shifters which has helped. Also, there are twistin g shifters now which might help some people. Tim Heller queries: > >> After about 20-30 minutes riding my bicycle (with my wrist braces on) >>my hands get tingly and then completely numb. After I stop riding it takes >>about 5-10 minutes to completely regain the feeling in both hands. >> At this point there is no pain involved (why am I complaining), I just >>wanted to see if anyone has this problem and what there doing about it. >> A little info - I have a mountain bike with foam rubber handle grips. >>I have tried different hand positions with little success. > >Tim, I have had the same experience with both my road bike and my mountain >bike. However, my numbness is restricted to the ring finger and little >finger. Given this localized condition, I presume that it results from the >compression of the ulnar nerve at the base of the palm. > >Altering you hand positions and posture is the best way to alleviate this, >but with only the straight handlebar, the options are limited. > >I have added handlebar ends (approx. 4 in. long and affixed perpendicular to >the handlebar - ~$20) to my mountain bike. These accessories allow for more >neutral postures in the wrist while cycling and the vertical angle can be >adjusted to suit the rider. Although they may not be able to achieve the >absolute neutral posture, they certainly offer another option for hand location . > >Padded cycling gloves help as well. > >Rob From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 13:16:57 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA13699; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:16:54 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:22:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131722.AA09475@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3103; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:21:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2596; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:21:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0231; Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:22:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5977; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:22:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:19:24 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Neurologist recommendation wanted X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have a nerve entrapment problem in my neck, and I would like recommendations for a neurologist in the California Bay Area. Thanks Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 13:27:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA13787; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:27:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:33:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131733.AA09681@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3221; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:33:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2940; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:33:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0926; Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:33:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7166; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:33:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:27:28 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Can RSI be caused by....? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/10/94 19:10 Does your place of business have a union? If yes, see them. They can provide you with the name of their attorney. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 13:48:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA14417; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:48:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:53:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131753.AA10003@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3433; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:53:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3489; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:53:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2029; Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:53:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9052; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:53:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:52:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have read several interesting and surprising things in the book that I keep harping about, "RSI..." by Emil Pascarelli. I thought I would share them for comments. Anti-inflammatories He says that some doctors believe taking these can actually be harmful, because they interfere with the bodies natural attempt to clear the bloodstream of impurities that lead to scare tissue. This is not reassuring to me, as I have been on Ibuprofin for several months. My doctor said to think of it as a lubrication, enhancing the mobility of the tendons. Arm rests He is against any resting during typing, resting in between typing. This includes arm rests, elbow rests, and hand rests. He says that the muscles of the back and shoulder are used during typing. Resting removes these muscles from the process, promoting RSI in the hand and forearms as these areas are overused since they are now carrying the entire load. Note that a pianist doesn't rest his/her arms. Icing He believes that icing is an excellent method to reduce inflammation and pain. Others on the Sorehand net have commented that icing reduces circulation and is therefore a bad thing. Dr Pascarelli agrees that icing reduces circulation and he emphasizes not to type or stretch for 15 minutes following icing. This allows the tissues time to warm up again. Comments? Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 14:09:56 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA14744; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 14:09:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:15:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131815.AA10343@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3667; Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:14:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4229; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 14:14:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3523; Mon, 13 Jun 94 11:14:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0727; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 11:14:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 11:12:42 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Avoiding voice strain X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Depending on your manner of speech, you may be more or less susceptible to strain problems. If you have allergies or tension in the neck, you may also be more susceptible. If your voice is rough or if you tend to hold your breath while you speak most times, then you may have problems. Other than following a few common sense guidelines, I wouldn't worry about it, particulary if you've had jobs before which required lots of speech. * Drink lots of water (this is a good idea anyway) * Take breaks * Take your time. Don't rush. If you're in an editor and have lots of changes to make, you can get caught up with your mental list of tasks that you want to do, and it's easy to rush the voice commands one after the other, and forget to take a decent breath. Hoarseness is a warning sign. Speaking with hoarseness puts even more strain on the cords. If you start getting hoarse, you have to change what you're doing. If you want to research this more, check out the literature which professional singers access. They have this problem as well. I am not an expert, but this is what I have learned after my own problems and seeing a voice therapist. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 15:25:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA15179; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:25:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:59:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131859.AA10936@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4189; Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:59:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5718; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 14:59:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6278; Mon, 13 Jun 94 11:59:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3130; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 11:59:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 11:57:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Evans Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406131803.LAA10326@cygnus.com> (message from Tom Knotts on Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:52:46 -0700) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:52:46 -0700 From: Tom Knotts I have read several interesting and surprising things in the book that I keep harping about, "RSI..." by Emil Pascarelli. I thought I would share them for comments. Icing He believes that icing is an excellent method to reduce inflammation and pain. Others on the Sorehand net have commented that icing reduces circulation and is therefore a bad thing. Dr Pascarelli agrees that icing reduces circulation and he emphasizes not to type or stretch for 15 minutes following icing. This allows the tissues time to warm up again. I'm not sure to what degree circulation is reduced. The fact that my arms get real red after an ice massage suggests lots blood is going to the area. Sure, if you leave your arms in ice water for a long time, (just to hyperbolize - I'm not suggesting anyone do this) circulation is going to be reduced. But what about a 5 minute ice massage? And just to clarify, Dr. Pascarelli says to wait 15 minutes following icing "because the cold reduces the flexibility of muscles, ligaments, and tendons and then can be injured." From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 15:26:22 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA15186; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:26:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 15:08:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131908.AA11052@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4287; Mon, 13 Jun 94 15:07:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5970; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:07:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6596; Mon, 13 Jun 94 12:08:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3555; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:08:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:06:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Industrial RSI X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Are their cases or other info about RSI and related symptoms in industrial > settings? > Until now RSI is not an issue in my country. > I am looking for cases or general info about RSI, CTS etc associated with > monotonous and repetitive work in industry. > Please let me know, to make RSI an issue in Europe too. > >------------------------ ;-) -------------------------------------------- > Paul Ulenbelt e-mail: ulenbelt@paul.hacktic.nl > Industry Workers Union / Dept Health and Safety / Amsterdam / Netherlands >-------------------------------------------------- ;-)------------------- From what little I've heard about ergonomics in Europe, things are a little more advanced there than in the US. I spoke with someone who went to an international ergonomics conference who said that Europe has all kinds of ergonomically designed tools already developed which are not available in the US or if they are at a significant cost. I know that there has been RSI judgements related to computers in the courts in the UK. There are certainly plenty of instances of industrial RSI problems. I just received a couple of catalogues for industrial settings to reduce problems associated with vibration, repetition and poor wrist placement, eg. a hammer with a curved hammer. I was down in Eugene, OR doing a review of a workstation where an employee had successfully reduced his arm and wrist pain by using a fiberglass hammer. The hammer was a little lighter and had a texturized grip on it. He said it significantly reduced the amount of shock he received when using the hammer. (A great piece of information for me.) (Oh, I'm an aspiring ergonomist, finishing up my masters in safety management with a couple of courses in human factors engineering.) I don't have any specific references for Europe and RSI's. I know that it is an issue in New Zealand (under the name of OOS), Australia, and South Africa (I know, a peculiar array of countries to have information about). My links to Europe have weakened over the years. Joy From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 15:56:50 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA15319; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:56:48 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 15:33:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406131933.AA11438@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4568; Mon, 13 Jun 94 15:33:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6728; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:33:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8431; Mon, 13 Jun 94 12:33:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5391; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:33:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:32:08 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Recommendation wanted X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Can anyone in the California Bay Area recommend an orthopedic surgeon? Or in Silicon Valley. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 16:21:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA15452; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 16:21:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:26:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406132026.AA12442@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5194; Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:26:34 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8546; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 16:26:34 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2347; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:26:39 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1484; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:26:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 13:25:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > And just to clarify, Dr. Pascarelli says to wait 15 minutes following > icing "because the cold reduces the flexibility of muscles, ligaments, > and tendons and then can be injured." Ah, I stand corrected. Thanks. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 17:16:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA15747; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:16:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 17:21:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406132121.AA13307@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5776; Mon, 13 Jun 94 17:21:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0290; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:21:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5476; Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:21:44 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4112; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 14:21:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:12:59 GMT+1200 Reply-To: nstanger@commerce.otago.ac.nz Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nigel Stanger Subject: Re: Industrial RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Paul Ulenbelt writes: > Are their cases or other info about RSI and related symptoms in industrial > settings? > Until now RSI is not an issue in my country. > I am looking for cases or general info about RSI, CTS etc associated with > monotonous and repetitive work in industry. > Please let me know, to make RSI an issue in Europe too. A just got a letter from a friend who told me that his new boss has RSI from "us ing a water blaster for decades" (his quote). That's a new one on me :) but I can see where the problem would have arisen -- there's a _lot_ of vibration when using a water blaster... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nigel Stanger, Internet: stanger@otago.ac.nz University of Otago, Phone: +64 3 479-8179 Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND. Fax: +64 3 479-8311 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 13 17:18:40 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA15760; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:18:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jun 94 17:23:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9406132123.AA13326@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5800; Mon, 13 Jun 94 17:23:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0348; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:23:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5603; Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:23:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4222; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 14:23:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:21:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Sufferin' Chemists! X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406091451.AA14141@world.std.com> Have an EMG done to rue out nerve damage. See a "physiatrist" (rehab mediciene doctor) ASAP. As good as an osteo or neurologist might be they largely do not understand RSI related problems. You don't have CTS unless an electromyelogram confirms it. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 00:45:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA17541; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 00:45:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 00:50:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9406140450.AA18405@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8633; Tue, 14 Jun 94 00:50:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7978; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 00:50:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5383; Mon, 13 Jun 94 21:50:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4600; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 21:50:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 00:49:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Can RSI be caused by....? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406110317.AA29958@world.std.com> << Does anyone know if CTS can be caused by an injury in this manner? Would the kind of stress that was being put on my wrists by carrying around those stacks of journals initiate CTS? >> See a "physiatrist". Get an attorney. Don't let them do this to you. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 01:19:06 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA17644; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:19:04 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 01:24:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9406140524.AA18741@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8763; Tue, 14 Jun 94 01:24:05 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8358; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:24:05 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6148; Mon, 13 Jun 94 22:24:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5226; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 22:24:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:21:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Users of DragonDictate in D.C./Baltimore area? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406130649.AA10692@world.std.com> << I've seen high praise in SOREHAND for these doctors but had a lousy experience with mine--simply didn't listen, was looking for overnight "magic" solutions, insisted that if 2 weeks P.T. didn't help, P.T. wouldn't help with further time, etc. >> Sounds like an idiot. Making it thru med school doesn't make you any less foolish if you start out that way! You might reeal the physiatrists' name to save others the hassle. You can also call the (?)American Assoc of Physiatrists, describe your problem and as for another one. Then tell your HMO you want a second opinion. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 01:23:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA17654; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:23:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 01:28:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9406140528.AA18807@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8777; Tue, 14 Jun 94 01:28:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8410; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:28:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6243; Mon, 13 Jun 94 22:28:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5302; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 22:28:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:26:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Avoiding voice strain X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406131815.AA17647@world.std.com> .... and don't EVER work in Tech Support on the phones. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 01:25:51 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA17659; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:25:49 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 01:03:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9406140503.AA18524@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8683; Tue, 14 Jun 94 01:02:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8128; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:02:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5605; Mon, 13 Jun 94 22:02:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4780; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 22:02:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:00:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Book X-To: Deborah Stiles X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406112150.AA04167@world.std.com> Debbie, I also have a review copy (though someone has "borrowed" it it seems) and In general I agree with you. Peachpit also has a special deep discount deal for companie purchasing multiple copies. However, the RSI information isn't extensive From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 09:15:05 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA18354; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:15:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 09:20:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141320.AA21613@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0346; Tue, 14 Jun 94 09:20:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3497; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:20:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9056; Tue, 14 Jun 94 06:20:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6791; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 06:20:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:25:00 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Industrial RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/13/94 15:07 There was a court settlement about industrial rsi's here in Pennsylvania, U.S. It was at the Pepperidge Farms industry. They make "cookies" and that type thing and many workers came down with injuries. I don't remember the details, but I don't think the settlement was in our favor. Do a computer search at your library on CD-Rom on Pepperidge Farms. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 09:59:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA18424; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:59:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 10:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141405.AA22077@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1063; Tue, 14 Jun 94 10:04:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6631; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 10:03:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3521; Tue, 14 Jun 94 07:03:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0340; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 07:03:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 10:01:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Can RSI be caused by....? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406102315.AA23061@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> Quite possibly. You don't give an exact description of how you held the journals, or for how long each day, or how much rest you took during the work day. Therefore, I can at this point only surmise what you may have done. Which does lead me to believe that the job included risk factors for developing a cumulative trauma disorder which could include Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I would be glad to describe how your work may have contributed to your developing CTS. But to do so you will have to send a more detailed description of how you held the journals including wrist posture, how much of the day you did this. How much weight did you carry at one time? How many inches thick were the stacks of journals. If we knew what other activities you did outside of work on a regular basis it would help to complete the picture and give a better understanding of how much of the cause was work based. What is your mode of transportation (Does it vibrate your hands?). It is now and will always be impossible to say definitively if your condition was caused by your work but with more details it may be possible to say if work was likely a major contributor to the problem, which is all that is generally necessary for a WC claim to be upheld. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 11:05:02 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA18576; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:04:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 11:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141509.AA22730@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1700; Tue, 14 Jun 94 11:09:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8504; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:09:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7695; Tue, 14 Jun 94 08:09:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3313; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:09:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:52:16 BST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Peter Sewell Subject: avoiding voice strain X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A few more points, based on discussion with a speech therapist about my use of dragon dictate (obviously they may or may not apply): It seems very easy to fall to habits of speaking with too much attack at the beginning of each word and speaking too loudly. I find it helps to speak in phrases rather than in single words, breathing deeply for each phrase rather than shallowly for each word. This also lets me add some intonation which helps the flow. Speaking too loudly seems to be an unconscious attempt to improve recognition which is actually improved more by better enunciation. Humidifing the air may also help. Peter From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 13:17:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA19042; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:17:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 13:23:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141723.AA24864@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3347; Tue, 14 Jun 94 13:22:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2959; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:22:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7592; Tue, 14 Jun 94 10:22:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6774; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 10:22:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 10:21:43 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dana Bergen Subject: voice strain X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND When I first started using DragonDictate, my voice got really strained right away. I have allergies and I think that was part of the problem. Fortunately, I happened to have taken a singing class in which the teacher said that an important reason for learning to sing correctly is to avoid straining your voice. So I made an effort when using DragonDictate to speak the way I was taught to sing. The voice strain problem completely disappeared and I got better recognition to boot! Now it's automatic and I don't have to think about it. So, I highly recommended voice lessons for anyone who is experiencing voice strain when using DragonDictate. Dana dana@sybase.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 14:30:47 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA19316; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:30:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:35:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141835.AA26014@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4559; Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:35:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7342; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:35:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2516; Tue, 14 Jun 94 11:35:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6548; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:35:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:38:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: John Dunning Subject: Re: Industrial RSI X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND At 8:00 AM 6/12/94 -0800, Gary L. Karp wrote: > Others: musicians, hairstylists, sign interpreters, body workers. That's interesting. Do the deaf have a high incidence of RSI? I wouldn't think signing would cause much of a problem since the hands are in constant motion and there's no shock produced by the movements. John ______________________________________________________________________________ John Dunning jdunning@phoenix.princeton.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 14:59:47 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA19450; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:59:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:05:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141905.AA26422@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4967; Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:04:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8440; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:04:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4656; Tue, 14 Jun 94 12:04:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0407; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 12:04:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:58:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Industrial RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND John Dunning wrote >>That's interesting. Do the deaf have a high incidence of RSI? I >>wouldn't think signing would cause much of a problem since the hands >>are in constant motion and there's no shock produced by the >>movements. In my experience (I'm not deaf, but I do know sign), the sign movements tend to hyperextend some fingers, especially during emphatic conversation. Long-term, frequent use could really wear some joints out. (I bet tendonitis of the thumb is quite frequent, for example.) -Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 15:52:31 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA19655; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:52:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:57:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9406141957.AA27298@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5603; Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:57:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0138; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:57:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8169; Tue, 14 Jun 94 12:57:43 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9259; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 12:57:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:42:41 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Jack Smith (295-7894)" Subject: Re: more keyboarding .... (Dave Giurintano's append) X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dave, I have two questions on your typing position. 1) How high is the surface of your table above the floor? 2) Since you use so much table space for resting your arms, how do you fit the display in front of you? (You must be using 2 tables to create enough depth). Jack From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 17:56:03 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA20371; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:56:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 17:27:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9406142127.AA29171@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6721; Tue, 14 Jun 94 17:26:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2999; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:26:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4924; Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:26:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2433; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:26:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:17:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Peace be with you." Subject: RE[2]:more keyboarding .... To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Jack Smith asked two questions: > 1) How high is the surface of your table above the floor? My table top is 30" from the floor. > 2) Since you use so much table space for resting your arms, how do > you fit the display in front of you? (You must be using 2 tables > to create enough depth). >Jack My table is 36" deep. So the keyboard is 13" from the edge of the table, the length of my forearms. It's not really a desk but a table with one file draw hanging under the left side. I'm NOT set up with a standard type computer desk with the lower keyboard shelf. If you can ditch the basic computer desk and go with a standard folding table, I think you'll like it. I also have a 17" monitor so the eye to monitor screen distance is not a problem. Dave From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 18:19:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA20457; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 18:19:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 18:24:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9406142224.AA00378@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7302; Tue, 14 Jun 94 18:24:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4515; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 18:24:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8174; Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:24:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5856; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:24:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 18:15:19 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: voice strain X-To: UCSFVM.BITNET!SOREHAND@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: Bob Adams To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406141740.AA17438@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>; from "Dana Bergen" at Jun 14, 94 10:21 am Just a note to place the subject of "voice strain" in perspective. As speech recognition developers, we consider it absolutely essential that the user be able to speak VERY SOFTLY and thus avoid any form of voice strain and also avoid disturbing neighbors. Our people and our customers use voice input to replace repetitive operations and to reduce the user's cognitive load. Humans think verbally so it's natural to say a command while concentration is being maintained on the primary task. With this enhanced concentration, the user's voice naturally trails off to a very low level. If the user has to project his or her voice, then the attractiveness of voice input is limited to situations in which there is no choice. In fact, many people find that limiting their free text typing to just the qwerty keys and converting everything else to voice input. This allows them to get back to work and also avoid further injury. Bob Adams Command Corp. Inc. Developers of IN CUBE Voice Command For SPARC and Windows rea@gacc.atl.ga.us From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 19:39:52 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA20691; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:39:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 19:45:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406142345.AA01482@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7791; Tue, 14 Jun 94 19:45:03 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5923; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:45:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1716; Tue, 14 Jun 94 16:45:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2215; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:45:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:45:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Scott Brown Subject: Re: Thanks for Cycling info X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tim, As a cyclist without CTS I agree that handel bars which allow different positions will be helpful. You also should use paded cycling gloves if you aren't already using them. I feel that they have helped me a great deal. Scott Brown UNC School of Public Health From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 14 20:53:45 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA20861; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 20:53:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jun 94 20:59:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406150059.AA02098@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8174; Tue, 14 Jun 94 20:58:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6964; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 20:58:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5146; Tue, 14 Jun 94 17:58:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5109; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:58:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:02:25 +1000 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Maree Madden Organization: Faculty of Education Subject: Industrial RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi I'm a Sign Language interpreter and I'm currently thrashing out my Masters' thesis on RSI (known as Occupational Overuse Syndrome - OOS in Australia and New Zealand). The reason I'm posting is on the issue of RSIs and Deaf people. My thesis is on the incidence of OOS among Sign Language interpreters in Australia. The reason (I believe) that interpreters become injured and Deaf people don't is that interpreters work for longer periods of time without a break and have to work to someone else's speed (i.e. the English speaker for whom they are interpreting). When Deaf people converse, they are able to use the usual conversational turns to rest their arms. Deaf individuals involved in conversation are also able to control the speed if they are tired, bored, or whatever. Interpreters are not in a position to do that. Most of the injuries I have discovered in my research are of the type caused by static muscle load, rather than repetitive movements. John Dunning is right on that assumption. When interpreting, we do move our hands in a variety of different ways, but our arms are usually held in a 90 degree position (bent at the elbow), and the upper body is held in a constrained, tense position. In this situation the neck, shoulders and elbows are injured first, and later on wrists and hands can be implicated as well. My injury, which I've been battling for three years, is epicondylitis. Other interpreters have the same injury, still others have tendonitis, upper body strain, and a myriad of other injuries. Hope this is of interest. Maree P.S. Btw, Karen, in Australia we use a two-handed fingerspelling alphabet, unlike the one-handed system used in America. Perhaps that could lead to different types of injuries? I know that the incidence of CTS is much higher in American Sign Language interpreters than here. __________________________________________________________________________ Maree Madden Telephone: 61-7-875 5652 Coordinator of Sign Language Interpreting Fax: 61-7-875 5924 Centre for Deafness Studies and Research Faculty of Education Griffith University Nathan Queensland 4111 Australia email:m.madden@edn.gu.edu.au From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 00:31:02 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA22072; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:31:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 00:36:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406150436.AA03803@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9257; Wed, 15 Jun 94 00:36:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0229; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:36:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3280; Tue, 14 Jun 94 21:36:11 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8633; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 21:36:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:35:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jeff DelPapa Subject: Tingling/Numb hands when Bicycling X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: TIM HELLER's message of Wed, 8 Jun 1994 22:59:33 EST <199406090633.AA29876@world.std.com> When I was first injured, the doctor told me under no circumstances was I to ride an upright bicycle. Part of the problem is the amount of weight that hands must support (he claimed 30%), but the real problem was all the shock absorbing that your hands are called on to do. This was before suspension was common on bicycles, perhaps with front suspension (especially the "flexstem" at the handlebars system) you might be able to ride on "typical" pavement, I doubt riding on trails would be possible. (The ban was particularly hard, as I had just 6 weeks prior purchased a new bicycle) I rode the bicycle in a training stand for several years, and recently purchased another of my "workarounds"; a recumbent bicycle with under seat steering. My hands have no weight on them when I ride, I got unfashionable full length brake levers fitted, along with the newfangled twist grip shifters (do not even consider thumb operated shifters, one direction is quite light, the other is very hard, as you are working against the spring that made the other direction easy). The result is quite comfortable, and does not seem to give my arms any trouble. It does take somewhat different muscles than an upright uses, so take it easy when you switch. Had I known just how comfortable they were, I would never have bought the upright. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 00:35:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA22089; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:35:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 00:40:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406150440.AA03826@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9280; Wed, 15 Jun 94 00:40:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0308; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:40:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3376; Tue, 14 Jun 94 21:40:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8697; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 21:40:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:40:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jeff DelPapa Subject: Infogrip X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Steve Hansen's message of Thu, 9 Jun 1994 11:05:54 PDT <199406091811.AA20200@world.std.com> since all the chording keyboards require you to make more frequent finger motions (as you have to move several fingers for each keystroke), I wonder how much gentler they could be. I would like opinions on Infogrip, good or bad. Do the buttons depress softly? Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 01:47:32 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA22245; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:47:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 01:52:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406150552.AA04457@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9705; Wed, 15 Jun 94 01:52:27 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1439; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:52:27 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5730; Tue, 14 Jun 94 22:52:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1812; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:52:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:51:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rebecca Spainhower Subject: New pain X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I only recently started experiencing pain in my wrists and forearms. I cut way back on my typing, and started using pencils to type. Those things, in addition to practicing qi gong and t'ai ch'i, seems to help a lot. Is there anything else I can do, prevention-wise? I can't afford voice input right now. I don't know what my insurance will or won't cover as far as physiatrists, etc go. Looking for advice, Becky Spainhower ranne@netcom.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 09:34:05 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA22984; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:34:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:39:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151339.AA08323@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1492; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:39:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6564; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:39:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8226; Wed, 15 Jun 94 06:39:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4576; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 06:39:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:37:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dick Woline Subject: voice dictation systems X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Where can I get information about voice input devices for my computer system? I run an IBM clone based on an Intel 486 chip. Thanks From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 09:40:02 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA23000; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:40:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151345.AA08389@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1551; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:45:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6750; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:45:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8740; Wed, 15 Jun 94 06:45:13 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5357; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 06:45:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:42:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Infogrip X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND If you do want to try the infogrip, let me know. I am a Infogrip Dealer and can offer you a 30 day money back trial period. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 09:44:09 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA23006; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:44:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:49:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151349.AA08437@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1607; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:49:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6886; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:49:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9113; Wed, 15 Jun 94 06:49:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5855; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 06:49:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:47:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: New pain X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am a reseller of ergonomically designed keyboards and voice (DragonDictate) Voice is now cheaper then you think, you may still want to consider it. Re: insurance, start to look into it now, at least as far as getting professional/medical advise and evaluations - don't screw around and wait- if you let your condition go too long or grow worse you may find it irreversable. Also re: insurance and benefits - I have seen that there is a clear difference between the squeaky wheel and the passive client - one clearly does get better medical/rehab treatment. All things are not equal. This also applies re: approval of needed adaptive aids (keyboards and such). Lastly, if your insurance gives you a hard time, strongly consider a good shark. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 10:26:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA23108; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:26:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:32:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151432.AA09033@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2095; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:32:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8158; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:32:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2548; Wed, 15 Jun 94 07:32:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2619; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 07:31:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:30:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Daniel C. Richardson" Subject: Industrial RSI et al... To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >From: Carol Wilson > There was a court settlement about industrial rsi's here in Pennsylvania, > U.S. It was at the Pepperidge Farms industry. They make "cookies" and that > type thing and many workers came down with injuries. I don't remember the > details, but I don't think the settlement was in our favor. Do a computer > search at your library on CD-Rom on Pepperidge Farms. I'm unsure if the suit is aconnection or not, but we did a study on a P. Farms cookie plant in Pennsylvania. It turns out the entire plant was almost totally automated... except the end of the line. There, older women would place the cookies individually in their bags [How else did you think they got so nicely in there?! :-)]. Anyway, the repetitive pinch/grip forces caused the RSI. I'm unsure what the solution was, but I'll check on it. >From: John Dunning >That's interesting. Do the deaf have a high incidence of RSI? >Maree Madden wrote >P.S. Btw, Karen, in Australia we use a two-handed fingerspelling >alphabet, unlike the one-handed system used in America. Perhaps that >could lead to different types of injuries? I know that the incidence of >CTS is much higher in American Sign Language interpreters than >here. My undergrad school, RIT, also hosted the National Technical Institute for the Deaf. As such, there were a lot of interpreters in my classes. Secondly, there were also MANY cases of RSI, arm braces, wraps, etc. Maree is right about the 90-degree fixed arm position thing. During many a dull class I would watch how an interp. would work... often feeling sorry for their workload. In the end, they can not work more than 4(?) hours a day, and not more than 2 hours in a row. During events and speakers and the like, they rotate every 20(?) minutes. I left before I found out if it improved things. -Dan ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel C. Richardson |Penn State University Graduate Studies | |1111 Aaron Dr, Apt. B |Industrial Engineering - Human Factors | |State College, PA 16803 |"Education should not bore. Work should | |(814) 867-6228 | not stress. Life should not pain." | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 12:02:45 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA23458; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:02:43 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 11:34:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151534.AA09961@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2875; Wed, 15 Jun 94 11:34:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0294; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:34:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6953; Wed, 15 Jun 94 08:34:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3773; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:34:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:24:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: I've grown a knuckle To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I noticed recently that about halfway between the junction of the ring and pinky fingers and the wrist of my right hand, a lump appears when I bend my hand down. It's not painful to touch; in fact, my left hand is more sore. I am planning to have it checked out, but has anyone else had such a thing? It feels bony, but when I press on it firmly, it moves. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org P.S. Could people who want a private reply to their messages start putting their e-mail addresses into the bodies of their messages? My e-mail package doesn't show me the whole sender's address. Thanks! From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 12:57:24 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA23687; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:57:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151702.AA11624@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3840; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:02:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2928; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:02:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2680; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:02:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2355; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:02:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:01:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: I've grown a knuckle X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > I noticed recently that about halfway between the junction of the ring > and pinky fingers and the wrist of my right hand, a lump appears when > I bend my hand down. It's not painful to touch; in fact, my left hand > is more sore. I am planning to have it checked out, but has anyone > else had such a thing? It feels bony, but when I press on it firmly, > it moves. > Sounds like a ganglion cyst. See Dr. Pascarelli's book, page 54. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 13:08:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA23782; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:08:43 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:14:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151714.AA11847@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3958; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:13:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3248; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:13:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3324; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:13:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4190; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:13:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:09:42 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: Infogrip To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/15/94 09:44 I keep trying to reply to those of you looking for class action suits and I'm not having a very good success rate. The law firm in Philadelphia is Willig, Williams, and Davidson, and I think the address is 1824 chestnut Street, Philadelphia, PA . Not positive about the address but positive about the name. I filled out paperwork about 2/3 years ago for class action suit against manufactures of keyboards. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 13:11:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA23828; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:11:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:16:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151716.AA11923@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3979; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:16:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3291; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:16:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3537; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:16:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4365; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:16:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:05:19 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Industrial RSI X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406150130.AA05951@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Maree Madden" at Jun 15, 94 11:02 am |Hi | |I'm a Sign Language interpreter and I'm currently thrashing out my |Masters' thesis on RSI (known as Occupational Overuse Syndrome - |OOS in Australia and New Zealand). The reason I'm posting is on the |issue of RSIs and Deaf people. Will your masters thesis be available to the public? I would be interested in your findings. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 13:23:42 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA23982; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:23:39 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:29:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151729.AA12192@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4118; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:28:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3646; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:28:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4375; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:28:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5756; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:28:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:18:26 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Industrial RSI X-To: The sorehand Mailing List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406121853.AA05285@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Gary L. Karp" at Jun 12, 94 8:00 am |Others: musicians, hairstylists, sign interpreters, body workers. Most definately body workers. I am a massage practioner. Many of the body workers I know of are suffering (or have at one point) from RSI. Most have cut back on the number of massages they can give in a day/week. That one of the reasons for my interest in this list. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 14:09:33 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA24150; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:09:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:15:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151815.AA13273@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4634; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:14:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5039; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:14:47 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7514; Wed, 15 Jun 94 11:14:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9806; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:14:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:12:22 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Re: Voice Strain X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >As speech recognition developers, we consider it absolutely >essential that the user be able to speak VERY SOFTLY and thus avoid >any form of voice strain and also avoid disturbing neighbors. I disagree with Bob that a user should speak VERY SOFTLY. When speaking VERY SOFTLY there is a tendency for your cords rather than your lungs to do the work. Secondly, your pitch tends to drop, and this also strains them. My ENT doc has said NO, stop trying to speak softly. If anyone can speak VERY SOFTLY and still keep the pitch normal and still use the breath to generate the sound, great. But my suggestion is to speak in your normal tone of voice. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 14:13:41 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA24164; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:13:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151819.AA13372@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4694; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:19:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5184; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:19:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7840; Wed, 15 Jun 94 11:19:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0078; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:19:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:08:52 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Stephen Hemperly Subject: Industrial RSI X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I would also be interested in the results of the master's thesis on occupational overuse syndrome experienced by sign language interpreters. My wife, a transliterator for a California school district, uses a form of sign language called cued speech to convey to a mainstreamed deaf child the contents of verbal communication occurring in the child's elementary school classroom. Fortunately, cued speech only requires the use of one hand at a time, and my wife is able to alternate her hands. She has been doing this work for about 9 months and has not experienced any RSI to date. However, I am a bit concerned about future RSI problems she may encounter. Regards, Stephen W. Hemperly, MS, CIH, CSP Staff Industrial Hygienist IBM Almaden Research Center 650 Harry Road - K77/801 San Jose, CA 95120 (408) 927-1375, FAX (408) 927-2100 shemperly@almaden.ibm.com Note: The views and opinions expressed are my own thought schemes and not those of International Business Machines. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 14:28:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA24210; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:28:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:35:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151735.AA12334@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4179; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:34:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3853; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:34:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4762; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:34:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6598; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:34:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:31:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: New pain X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I am a reseller of ergonomically designed keyboards and voice > (DragonDictate) Voice is now cheaper then you think, you may still > want to consider it. But I hear it isn't practical for technical work, such as c programming or electronic circuit simulations. Too many &,*,%,$,# etc. I'd be interested in a demo if a system were available. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 14:29:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA24215; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:29:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:36:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151736.AA12366@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4198; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:36:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3891; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:36:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4935; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:36:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6834; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:36:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:33:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Rheumatologist recommendation? (fwd) X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:23:43 EDT From:Francine_B._Ferraro@BCSMAC.BCS.ORG To: Multiple recipients of list RSI-EAST Subject: Rheumatologist recommendation? I'm looking for a rheumatologist (sorry about the spelling) in the metro-west area of Massachusetts (Framingham area). The combination of TMJ, neck and back pain, tendonitis, and carpal tunnel -type symptoms all appear to stem from some lousy muscle and joint problems. I've tried MANY things for the past 13 years - chiropractor, physical therapy, massage, exercise, t'ai chi, bite plates, tons of ibuprophen, muscle relaxants. Anything that appears to work only works as maintenance - if I don't go to physical thereapy twice a week, no progress is made, if I take a muscle relaxant, everything feels better the next day, but not the day after that. Anyone have a good rheumatologist to recommend? Francine_B._Ferraro@BCSMAC.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 14:29:41 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA24222; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:29:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:51:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151751.AA12737@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4373; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:51:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4323; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:51:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5936; Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:51:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8099; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:51:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:40:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: I've grown a knuckle To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Aack! Ganglion *cyst*? That sounds awful. Unfortunately, I don't have Pascarelli's book to look up Tom's reference, so I'll just sit here quaking until my appointment this afternoon. Am I making it worse when I flex my wrist and poke at it? Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org >>Sounds like a ganglion cyst. See Dr. Pascarelli's book, page 54. >>Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:HEMPERLY@ALMVMA.BITNET Wed Jun 15 14:42:56 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA24282; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:42:53 -0400 Reply-To: <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:HEMPERLY@ALMVMA.BITNET> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:48:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151848.AA14068@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5045; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:48:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6085; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:48:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0076; Wed, 15 Jun 94 11:46:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1900; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:46:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:46:32 -0700 Sender: BITNET list server at UCBCMSA (1.7f) From: HEMPERLY%ALMVMA.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: srhnddst@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: File "HEMPERLY CSNOTE" being sent to you Date: 15 June 1994, 11:45:29 PDT From: Stephen W. Hemperly 8-457-1375 HEMPERLY at ALMADEN To: SOREHAND at UCSFVM Subject: Industrial RSI I would also be interested in the results of the master's thesis on occupational overuse syndrome experienced by sign language interpreters. My wife, a transliterator for a California school district, uses a form of sign language called cued speech to convey to a mainstreamed deaf child the contents of verbal communication occurring in the child's elementary school classroom. Fortunately, cued speech only requires the use of one hand at a time, and my wife is able to alternate her hands. She has been doing this work for about 9 months and has not experienced any RSI to date. However, I am a bit concerned about future RSI problems she may encounter. Regards, Stephen W. Hemperly, MS, CIH, CSP Staff Industrial Hygienist IBM Almaden Research Center 650 Harry Road - K77/801 San Jose, CA 95120 (408) 927-1375, FAX (408) 927-2100 shemperly@almaden.ibm.com Note: The views and opinions expressed are my own thought schemes and not those of International Business Machines. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 15:56:00 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA24573; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 15:55:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:34:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406151834.AA13740@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4893; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:33:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5718; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:33:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9105; Wed, 15 Jun 94 11:33:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1073; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:33:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:32:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Sanford Redlich Subject: Anyone have info on RSI caused by mouse use? X-To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am doing a report on RSI and computer mouse use, and would like *any* information, article references, etc. Thanks for your time! Sanford PS- I'm not sure if it was this group or on EASI that I sent an angry response to a chain letter containing its whole text and accidentally posted it to the whole readership. If it was SOREHAND, I apologize, I only meant to send it all back to the author, but my quick trigger finger only compunded the problem and made me an idiot too. Sanford Redlich sanford@teleport.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 16:56:39 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA24711; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:56:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 16:41:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406152041.AA16375@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6244; Wed, 15 Jun 94 16:41:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9273; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:41:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7938; Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:41:14 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8777; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:41:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:27:20 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: Voice Strain X-To: UCSFVM.BITNET!SOREHAND@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: Bob Adams To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406151848.AA27521@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>; from "Steve Hansen" at Jun 15, 94 11:12 am Steve wrote: > I disagree with Bob that a user should speak VERY SOFTLY. When > speaking VERY SOFTLY there is a tendency for your cords rather > than your lungs to do the work. Secondly, your pitch tends > to drop, and this also strains them. My ENT doc has said NO, stop > trying to speak softly. If anyone can speak VERY SOFTLY and > still keep the pitch normal and still use the breath to generate > the sound, great. But my suggestion is to speak in your normal > tone of voice. > Sorry, I didn't make my point clearly. The technology needs to be sufficiently robust so that it works for the user rather than the user working for the technology. Although there may be people who are willing to "speak a certain way" in order to use some of the dictation systems, mainstream users and many RSI victims aren't willing to endure the additional work required to "speak a certain way" The latest continuous speech recognition techniques allow the user to be recognized in an extremely wide range of pitchs, speaking speeds, with or without a cold, etc. So a user can concentrate on the primary task and just let the voice trail off to a comfortable level. I believe in this context, we agree that the comfortable level will be whatever is "normal". For most of us, normal speech, while we're preoccupied, is a sort of mumbling which drives speech pathologists, work associates, and spouses crazy. But the speech recognizer still works and it's a fast and comfortable means of performing repetitive operations. For anyone who wants to see for themselves, our people put out a free demo for Windows on PCs which gives the user some window navigation commands, mouse clicks and drag and drop. Bob from Command Corp. rea@gacc.atl.ga.us From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 17:26:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA24797; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 17:26:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 17:11:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9406152111.AA17049@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6560; Wed, 15 Jun 94 17:10:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0161; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 17:10:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9730; Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:10:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0446; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:10:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:28:20 -0700 Reply-To: Deborah Stiles Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Deborah Stiles Subject: Sufferin' Chemists!; EMG X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406132123.AA22625@mx2.u.washington.edu> On Mon, 13 Jun 1994, Craig O'Donnell wrote: > You don't have CTS unless an electromyelogram confirms it. This statement is debateable. CTS is a collection of SYMPTOMS (e.g., pain, numbness, tingling in the median nerve distribution of the hand) AND SIGNS (e.g., electrodiagnostic tests) that are indicative of an entrapment neuropathy which involves compression of the median nerve within the carpal tunnel of the wrist. Some experts agree that nerve conduction studies (not only EMG) are necessary for confirmation of CTS (I have spoken with some neurologists who strongly agree with this). Other neurologists do not agree with this. There are occasional false negatives and false positives with nerve conduction studies. Mild cases of CTS may show normal nerve conduction studies. CTS is a very difficult diagnosis to make which makes research difficult as well as determining treatment. "Despite the abundant variety of available electrodiagnositc tests, CTS is defined by symptoms and therefore remains a CLINICAL diagnosis. Test results can support the diagnosis through documenting nerve fiber pathophysiology but can never make a definitive diagnosis by themselves" (Rosenbaum & Ochoa, 1993, p.129). It is also a common error for clinicians to diagnose CTS based on atypical symptoms even though the nerve conduction studies may confirm slowed conduction through the carpal tunnel. There are many people that will have a possible but unproven diagnosis of CTS. (Paraphrased from Rosenbaun & Ochoa, 1993, neurologists) Nonetheless, it probably is a good idea to see some nerve conduction abnormality before undergoing surgery (IMO, although some surgeons may disagree with this). Electrodiagnostic tests also help to differentiate atypical cases from other upper-extremity nerve entrapment syndromes, and also establish baseline preoperative data. Debbie Stiles, MN, RN From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 18:07:05 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA24961; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:07:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 18:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9406152212.AA18191@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7112; Wed, 15 Jun 94 18:12:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1604; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:12:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3396; Wed, 15 Jun 94 15:12:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6393; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 15:12:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:38:00 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Re: I've grown a knuckle X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In message <9406151904.aa29656@post.demon.co.uk> SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn writes: > I noticed recently that about halfway between the junction of the ring > and pinky fingers and the wrist of my right hand, a lump appears when > I bend my hand down. It's not painful to touch; in fact, my left hand > is more sore. I am planning to have it checked out, but has anyone > else had such a thing? It feels bony, but when I press on it firmly, > it moves. > Sounds like a ganglion. If so, it's harmless as far as I know. Don't ask me exactly what it is, but I had one once, on the back of the hand, and at some point it disappeared with no harm done. Better get it checked tho as I'm no MD -- Ellen Mizzell Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 21:36:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id VAA25573; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:36:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 21:42:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406160142.AA23700@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8487; Wed, 15 Jun 94 21:42:18 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5375; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:42:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3690; Wed, 15 Jun 94 18:42:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8761; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:42:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:41:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Kris Montgomery Subject: Re: I've grown a knuckle X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Karen: If you can get a copy of the book that everyone's been talking about on the list --- _RSI: A Computer User's Guide_ by Pascarelli and Quilter --- you can read about the gaglion phenomenon. Kris montgome@sonoma.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 21:41:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id VAA25590; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:41:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 21:46:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406160146.AA23782@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8525; Wed, 15 Jun 94 21:46:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5495; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:46:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3861; Wed, 15 Jun 94 18:46:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9103; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:46:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:44:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Sufferin' Chemists!; EMG X-To: Deborah Stiles X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406152112.AA19143@world.std.com> Debbie, of course there are always points that doctors and surgeons will debate endlessly. But the essential point is that a diagnosis of CTS without an EMG seems to be VERY commonly reported on this list; and that when this happens it simply makes it longer until someone gets a second opinion. It also seems that people *assume* they have CTS right off the bat, and for someone with this assumption, haing a doctor say "yep, it's CTS" isn't a good thing, in my opinion. (And I went through this myself; never again). From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 22:51:22 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id WAA25799; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:51:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 22:56:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406160256.AA25027@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8874; Wed, 15 Jun 94 22:56:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6488; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:56:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6507; Wed, 15 Jun 94 19:56:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2698; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:56:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:54:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Re: new pain X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Rebecca Spainhower >>I only recently started experiencing pain in my wrists and forearms. I cut way back on my typing, and started using pencils to type. Those things, in addition to practicing qi gong and t'ai ch'i, seems to help a lot. >> >>Is there anything else I can do, prevention-wise? I can't afford voice input right now. I don't know what my insurance will or won't cover as far as physiatrists, etc go. >>Looking for advice, Becky - My advice includes TAKE BREAKS! Leave your work station, walk around every hour. Otherwise, look at your posture - your complete posture,not just the wrists. I am constantly amazed at how interconnected our bodies are. Move around. And take breaks! One ergonomist I know says that getting up out of the chair, reaching up and then reaching down towards the toes, once an hour, can significantly improve the situation. Why? I guess because it moves all the muscles and gets the blood slowing so to speak. Be careful - best to start when the pain first starts. I still think that my fear of CTS prevented me from getting CTS - just tendonitis. I was at the doctor within a week of pain occurring regularly in my left wrist. Of course, it apparently didn't help me too much, but some of that is my physiology. Still, no nerve damage which I'm thankful of. Good luck and monitor yourself. Joy linnj@ucs.orst.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 22:57:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id WAA25816; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:56:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 22:29:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406160229.AA24652@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8734; Wed, 15 Jun 94 22:28:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6109; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:28:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5511; Wed, 15 Jun 94 19:29:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1410; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:29:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:28:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: On more keyboarding and posture X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND With respect to the debate over supporting the entire forearms on the desk - this article Nakaseko, Grandjean, Hunting and Gierer (1985) Studies on Ergonomically Designed Alphanumeric Keyboards. Human Factors, 27(2):175-187. May be of interest. It uses an experimental keyboard which provides forearm support. (Grandjean passed away last year.) Piece of information. Joy From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 15 22:57:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id WAA25823; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:57:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jun 94 22:33:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406160233.AA24748@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8756; Wed, 15 Jun 94 22:33:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6158; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:33:07 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5682; Wed, 15 Jun 94 19:33:14 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1539; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:33:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:32:39 -0700 Reply-To: Joy Linn Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom, I ordered the book from my local bookstore today. I look forward to reading it - thanks for the references. My personal experience with icing is that it helps me a lot. I do it at the end of a long day. Usually, before there is much discomfort. (currently my days vary a lot) I use it as a proactive treatment. However, I do think it is important to warm up the arm or iced area before using. It is important to warm up any muscles before using - hence the stretching of athletes. Joy From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 00:39:52 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA26629; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 00:39:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 00:45:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9406160445.AA26595@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9535; Thu, 16 Jun 94 00:45:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8308; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 00:45:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0764; Wed, 15 Jun 94 21:45:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8775; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:45:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:31:17 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Re: ARMRESTS I am not certain that I agree with the nix on arm rests. The shoulder muscles do not actuate movements in the forarms and thus if you remove the need for them to be tense in holding up the arms, then you have a more relaxed typing position. Remember, a muscle that is in contraction is not allowing full blood flow through it. An iscehmic muscle is going to be more prone to have problems. I would need to see the specifics though to make more of a decision. I am learning more and more that no one solution applies to all. I have seem people who had no armrests, and felt that they obtained reliefe when we set them up with some. I bhave seen people who doint like them. AGain, I am sure it is all in the application. RE: ICING It appears right on from what I can see From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 07:38:44 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id HAA27295; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:38:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 07:44:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161144.AA00879@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0883; Thu, 16 Jun 94 07:44:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1939; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:44:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0722; Thu, 16 Jun 94 04:44:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0043; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 04:44:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:36:23 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Philip H. Smith III, 703 506-0500" Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:09:42 EDT >From: Carol Wilson >Subject: Re: Infogrip >I keep trying to reply to those of you looking for class action suits >and I'm not having a very good success rate. The law firm in >Philadelphia is Willig, Williams, and Davidson, and I think the address >is 1824 chestnut Street, Philadelphia, PA . Not positive about the >address but positive about the name. I filled out paperwork about 2/3 >years ago for class action suit against manufactures of keyboards. :flame. Class action suits against manufacturers of keyboards??? Get a life. I suppose you'd sue a knife manufacturer if you cut your finger. Bad things happen, people: the keyboard manufacturers didn't know about RSIs, and even if they had, people would never have believed it until they got to about the current level of frequency. Would YOU have chosen a different career if back in high school someone had told you their hands were numb from working on a keyboard? Hardly. Deal with your RSI problems and move on. It's suits like this which stifle not only innovation, but even cures -- I wouldn't sell an "ergonomic" keyboard on a bet if a lawsuit against traditional keyboard manufacturers is a success: what if 10 years from now my keyboard turns out to cause your ears to fall off? :eflame. ...phsiii From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 08:56:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA27400; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:56:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 08:20:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161220.AA01224@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1088; Thu, 16 Jun 94 08:19:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2485; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:19:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1810; Thu, 16 Jun 94 05:20:02 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1196; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 05:20:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:18:08 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: "stomko@wchester.bitnet" Subject: Leahy Clinic, Boston X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND List Members - Does anyone have any info regarding the Leahy Clinic in Boston? I would like to know what sorts of medical problems are addressed there, specifically if they handle orthopedic and neurological conditions. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks. - Sue From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 10:32:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA27676; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:32:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:37:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161437.AA03372@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2651; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:37:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6883; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:37:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9995; Thu, 16 Jun 94 07:37:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2886; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:37:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:41:33 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nick Parker Subject: Re: mutant knuckles & ganglion cysts X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406160725.AA04861@nick.b29.ingr.com>; from "Automatic digest processor" at Jun 16, 94 12:14 am > ...halfway between the junction of the ring and pinky > fingers and the wrist of my right hand, a lump appears... I agree with the others that it sounds like a ganglion cyst. They are quite common. They are also normally quite benign -- except for the nasty sounding name, the mutant knuckle appearance, and a little discomfort for some hand motions. I had mine surgically removed about 7 or 8 years ago. It was no big deal. I went into the day surgery clinic at the hospital early in the morning, and I was back at home by about 10am (they didn't put me to sleep). It healed fast, and completely. The incision was only about .75 inch long, and I have to really look hard to find it now. The doc said it could be drained with a syringe, but that it would probably come back, because the fluid would buid up again. The surgery repairs the tissue that holds the fluid, hopefully keeping it from reocurring. It worked for me. Some people call them "Bible Cysts". One of the old-timey remedies was to lay your hand on a table, and have someone whack the cyst with a big softback bible. The cyst would pop, and the fluid would disperse. Sounds like fun, eh? Nick Parker nsparker@ingr.com Mgr Design & Ergonomics Intergraph Corporation "I yam Popeye of Borg, prepares to be askimillated. YuggYuggYuggYa." "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be... huh?... you have Donuts?!" "I am Reagan of Borg, prepare to be...uuh...errr...where was I? "I am Clinton of Borg, prepare your billfold for assimilation." From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 11:53:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA27860; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:53:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 11:58:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161558.AA05026@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3622; Thu, 16 Jun 94 11:58:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9795; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:58:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6136; Thu, 16 Jun 94 08:58:31 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2247; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:58:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:55:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Infogrip X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Carol Wilson - are you sueing Infogrip? Or are you sueing the mfg.s of the trad itional keyboards? I do have to agree w/ the individual who pointed out the fact that you will scare away inventors from marketing ergonomically desinged keyboards - even w/ best intentions, no short term testing will be able to tell us which keyboards are best for which individuals. Some designs will be better for other individuals, when you factor in the body height, weight, shape, height of desk, frequency of work on keyboard, type of typing (high v. low volume, fast v. slow), etc. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 12:18:29 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA27909; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:18:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:24:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161624.AA05587@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3894; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:23:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0511; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:23:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8089; Thu, 16 Jun 94 09:23:58 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4420; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:23:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:20:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Ballard, Paul" Organization: USIA Subject: X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Hi Could you please send info on Carpel Tunnel, for I am drummer & I work w/pc's and sometimes there a stiffness and cramping feeling in my hands. or fax me a list of known doctors in this area MD, Wash, Thank "U" Paul From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 12:26:23 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA27914; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:26:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:05:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161605.AA05216@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3690; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:05:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9963; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:05:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6600; Thu, 16 Jun 94 09:05:13 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2767; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:05:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:59:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: voice dictation systems X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In N. CA (SF Bay area) I do Dragon Dictate demos - you can reach me at 707-538-3473 (KEYBOARD ALTERNATIVES, Jon Simkovitz). For your area you should call Dragon for the name of a local rep: 617-965-5200. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 12:52:31 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA27984; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:52:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:58:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161658.AA06345@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4260; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:57:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1514; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:57:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0575; Thu, 16 Jun 94 09:57:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6856; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:57:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:11:42 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/16/94 07:43 All I have time for is I'm glad your not selling anything ergonomic. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 12:52:38 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA27989; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:52:36 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:58:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161658.AA06349@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4261; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:58:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1516; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:57:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0593; Thu, 16 Jun 94 09:58:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6867; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:58:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:14:44 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: Infogrip To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/16/94 11:59 I think as long as there is a buck to be made, won't scare anybody away from anything. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 13:16:00 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA28073; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:15:54 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:21:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161721.AA06837@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4524; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:21:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2179; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:21:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2286; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:21:18 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8534; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:21:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:19:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Michael Wiesenberg Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Why are you telling this whole group that you don't have time for anything beyond telling us that you're glad we're not selling anything ergonomic? How many of us on this list are selling ergonomic products? Why should the rest care? Perhaps you meant to send a private message, in which case you should not have used the mechanism of replying to the message whose subject apparently was "SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994." Every message sent to members of this list has a "Reply-To:" field that causes a reply to go to the list. (If you look at your message, attached, you'll see that it, too, has that generic "Reply-To:" field. In fact, I produced this message by replying to yours. I would have sent you a personal message, but it looks like your address (in the second "From" field) is the same as that of the list server.) q >From <@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jun 16 10:00:30 1994 >Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (cmsa.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.4]) by verity.c om (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id KAA13099 for ; Thu, 16 J un 1994 10:00:20 -0700 >Message-Id: <199406161700.KAA13099@verity.com> >Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) > with BSMTP id 8714; Thu, 16 Jun 94 09:57:54 PDT >Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by > CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6856; Thu, > 16 Jun 1994 09:57:53 -0700 >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:11:42 EDT >Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." >Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU> >From: Carol Wilson >Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 >To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >Status: R > >In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/16/94 07:43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I have time for is I'm glad your not selling anything ergonomic. > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 13:24:51 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA28078; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:24:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:29:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161729.AA06998@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4630; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:29:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2444; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:29:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2821; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:29:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8951; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:29:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:27:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > > I am not certain that I agree with the nix on arm rests. The shoulder > muscles do not actuate movements in the forarms and thus if you remove > the need for them to be tense in holding up the arms, then you have a > more relaxed typing position. He believes that you should move the hand to the keysm especially the faraway keys, such as shft, backspace ctrl, etc, then press these keys from a well-positioned hand, preferably not with the pinky. This keeps the hand in a neutral position without ulnar or radial deviation. You cannot move the hand freely in this way if you are resting on an arm rest. Also, he suggests not to hit two keys at once with the same hand; there are ctlr and shft keys on either side. This is covered in the section on typing retraining. Without making these important changes, one is almost guaranteed re-injury, even with rest breaks, claims Dr. Pascarelli. > Remember, a muscle that is in contraction is not > allowing full blood flow through it. An iscehmic muscle is going to be more > prone to have problems. He wants you to rest (on the "wrist rest" which he thinks is a poor name because you shouldn't rest while typing) in between typing, during pauses. Lift your arms back up when you resume typing. I run a program that runs a timer whenever the keys are being pressed. When they aren't being pressed, the timer pauses. At the end of a full day at the computer, I'm amazed that only 2 hours has been logged. Inother words, I'm actually typing only 25 - 30% of the total time that I'm working. Hence, resting while not typing is actually a lot of resting. > to all. I have seem people who had no armrests, and felt that they > obtained reliefe when we set them up with some. > This may be short-term relief, but long-term they may be more prone to a relapse because they are overusing the muscles in their hands as a result of these rests, Dr P. says. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 13:56:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA28168; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:55:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:02:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161702.AA06502@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4315; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:02:34 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1659; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:02:34 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0897; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:02:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7443; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:02:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 12:56:00 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: smullen Subject: aching chemist To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am the chemist who has been living with pain for about three years whose boss forced her to deal with it. I posted last week and described a set of symptoms that my Dr. had diagnosed as CTS. I first would like to thank you all for the responses that I have received. I have since had the EMG and nerve conduction tests done and they are negative. I have no pinching of the median, the ulnar or of any nerves in the cervical area. It seems that I do not have CTS. I had several responses that suggested I see a physiatrist. I am currently looking for one in my area. I also received the names of other Dr.'s in my area. I am also looking in to these. Any other suggestions that would be helpful or considerations I should make would be appreciated. I feel a little like I am back to square one and the time I have been being treated for CTS was wasted. Never mind the time I have lived with it. Now that I am trying to fix the pain I don't want to waste a minute. I am a little discouraged. Thank you again for any help already received or yet to come. Lynn Smullen@crd.ge.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 13:56:26 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA28177; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:56:23 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:27:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161727.AA06974@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4610; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:27:34 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2397; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:27:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2689; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:27:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8837; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:27:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:23:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Infogrip X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406151724.AA25512@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Carol Wilson wrote: > I filled out paperwork about 2/3 years ago for class action suit > against manufactures of keyboards. Why do want to file suit? Why do you think an award in your favor would be just? Dan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 14:20:04 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA28262; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:20:01 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:25:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161825.AA08126@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5255; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:25:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4097; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:25:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6397; Thu, 16 Jun 94 11:25:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1994; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:25:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:22:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > > All I have time for is I'm glad your not selling anything ergonomic. Since I don't make money from selling any equipment, I am totally unbiased, unlike some people. That's all I have time for. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 16:27:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA28685; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:27:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:59:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161859.AA08868@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5564; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:59:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5092; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:59:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8703; Thu, 16 Jun 94 11:59:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4031; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:58:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:01:43 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: AlKorn@AOL.COM Subject: Handeze & Hand-Aids Gloves X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I just got a catalog from Herrschners, they are a needlecraft company in Wisconsin. They have the Handeze Gloves on special for $15.99 plus shipping ($4.80). They also carry another glove called Hand Aids Support Gloves, they seem to be very similar to the Handeze from the picture they show in the catalog, price for these are $12.99 plus shipping($4.10). I paid $22. for my Handeze, Has any of you have heard of these other gloves? The phone number is 1-800-441-0838 for orders, 1-800-713-1239 for customer service. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 16:28:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA28690; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:28:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:56:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161856.AA08809@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5534; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:56:36 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4979; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:56:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8517; Thu, 16 Jun 94 11:56:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3860; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:56:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:36:13 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: New pain X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Rebecca Spainhower writes: >Is there anything else I can do, prevention-wise? I can't >afford voice input right now. I don't know what my insurance >will or won't cover as far as physiatrists, etc go. Make sure your workstation is properly set up. Make sure your wrists are straight as you type and you are not resting your wrists on anything (except during breaks!) MAKE SURE YOU TAKE BREAKS! At least 10 mins per hour of typing is what I've seen in the lit, but it may be better to take 30 secs after every 5 mins or so. If you stop to think while typing, take your hands off of the keys. And good luck!! Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've Been Moved -- out of IBM! If you know anyone who needs someone to improve the usability of their user interfaces, drop me a note... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 16:28:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA28695; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:28:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 15:20:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161920.AA09423@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5829; Thu, 16 Jun 94 15:19:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5974; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:19:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0331; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:19:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5263; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:19:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:17:13 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: Infogrip To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/16/94 13:26 Because I wanted to. Because my employer insists on making us work at unreasonable rates on equipment that is not adapted to the body. I can't sue my employer because of workmens compensation so 3rd party suits are not uncommon. Thats why. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 16:29:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA28702; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:29:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 15:18:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406161918.AA09378@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5804; Thu, 16 Jun 94 15:17:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5883; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:17:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0158; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:18:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5141; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:18:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:09:17 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Kassman@AOL.COM Subject: Sue ME! X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Why don't we sue deaf people for making us use sign language? Similarly we can sue Les Paul for the electric guitar, Mozart for making me want to play like him, bike makers, car companies and whoever it was that discovered all those crazy periodic elements that is making us try and figure out how this world work. And finally, sue me for making you type insults to me in response to my postings. :)........(kassman@aol.com) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 17:15:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA28857; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:15:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 17:21:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406162121.AA11851@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7207; Thu, 16 Jun 94 17:20:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9561; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:21:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8002; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:21:02 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2560; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:21:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:18:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Leahy Clinic, Boston X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406161220.AA02375@world.std.com> Sue, you might also try Spaulding Rehab and New England Medical Center. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 19:25:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA29339; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:25:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 16:43:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9406162043.AA11074@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6746; Thu, 16 Jun 94 16:42:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8287; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:42:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5832; Thu, 16 Jun 94 13:42:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0762; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:42:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:40:58 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Food & vitamins X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Does anyone know of foods/vitamins to loosen/relax muscles? Foods to avoid? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 19:26:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA29344; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:26:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 17:42:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9406162142.AA12373@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7402; Thu, 16 Jun 94 17:42:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0119; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:42:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9173; Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:42:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3503; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:42:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:35:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Smithsonian X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 04:35:40 EDT From:GGunther@aol.com To: dadadata@world.std.com Subject: Help w/Sorehand Message I've been trying to post this message in Sorehand Land but keep getting the old "Return to Sender" from the automated Postmaster. Can you help me get the syntax right? Thanks! ================================================= There's an excellent article in this month's issue [June] of Smithsonian magazine. The article highlights the RSI treatment work at the Miller Health Care Institute for Performing Artists. Dr. Emil Pascarelli [founder and director of the Miller Institute] is co-author of the "RSI, A Computer User's Guide" book often cited here in Sorehand Land. About a thousand patients a month are treated here... from ballet dancers, Broadway dancers, philharmonic flutists and career writer types. Hope this is useful information. Best-- --Greg Gunther From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 19:29:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA29349; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:29:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 19:28:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406162328.AA14544@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8350; Thu, 16 Jun 94 19:28:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2844; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:28:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6259; Thu, 16 Jun 94 16:28:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9198; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:28:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:30:54 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Voice Activation Sources X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Where can I get information about voice input > devices for my computer system? I run an > IBM clone based on an Intel 486 chip. Here is my latest list. If anyone knows of any others, please post to Sorehand or to me privately. Dragon Systems, Newton, MA 617/965-5200 - Dragon Dictate Command Corp, Duluth, GA 404/925-7950 - IN3 ("In Cube") Kurzweil Voice, Waltham, MA 617/893-5151 Articulate Systems, Woburn, MA 617/835-0440 - Voice Navigator/PowerSecretary for Macintosh IBM, White Plains, NY 800/426-2968 - Voice Type Ta ta. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 16 19:29:46 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA29354; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:29:39 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 19:28:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406162328.AA14550@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8351; Thu, 16 Jun 94 19:28:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2846; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:28:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6268; Thu, 16 Jun 94 16:28:47 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9206; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:28:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:41:10 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Arm Support X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > I am not certain that I agree with the nix on arm rests. The shoulder > muscles do not actuate movements in the forarms and thus if you remove the > need for them to be tense in holding up the arms, then you have a more > relaxed typing position. Seeing as I have stoked the fire somewhat on this one, allow me again to elaborate. Research is clear that there are advantages to supporting the arms. It takes load off of the trapezius muscles, among others, and actually reduces disk pressure in the spine. But this relies on the arm support being at the proper height, and I am very concerned that this will more often than not be the case. Most chairs, after all, do not have adjustable armrests, and most desk surfaces are too high for the keyboard in the first place, so any arm support which attaches to the desk will likewise be too high. If too low, the body will be drawn downward, muscles overused in static contraction, ribs closed on the lungs limiting breathe, too much rounding of the spine, the head drawn forward creating possible disk compression in the cervical spine. If too high, the shoulders are likewise put into chronic static contraction, and undue pressure is placed on the forearms. If the elbow is also in contact, then there is risk of ulnar nerve compression (the funny "bone"). I also just came across a study that showed when there is pressure on the arms during typing, we tend to hit the keys harder too. The vibration and impact of that is also worth avoiding. So I'm not out to make a case against arm support. I am only very concerned that it is more likely to be done with improper adjustments. Anyone who knows how to do it right with the right furniture can benefit. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 00:43:57 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA00707; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:43:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 00:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406170449.AA19353@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0240; Fri, 17 Jun 94 00:49:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7847; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:49:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0210; Thu, 16 Jun 94 21:49:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7864; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 21:49:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:48:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: mailing lists (fwd) X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:02:20 -0700 From: David B. Rosen To: Multiple recipients of list RSI-EAST Subject: mailing lists This is a frequently-asked question, so see: ============================================================== Typing Injuries Frequently-Asked Questions (typing-injury-faq) ============================================================== World-Wide Web (hypertext) -------------------------- http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/typing-injury-faq/top.html Gopher ------ Use Veronica to search gopherspace for typing-injury . (Below, $ stands for any one of: changes,furniture,general,keyboards,software.) Usenet ------ Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.occupational,comp.human-factors, sci.answers, comp.answers,news.answers Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries ........ 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Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: Program for timing typing X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom Knotts: can you give us more information on the program that runs a timer whenever the keys are pressed??? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 07:00:35 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id HAA01517; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 07:00:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 07:06:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171106.AA23459@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1406; Fri, 17 Jun 94 07:05:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1144; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 07:05:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9279; Fri, 17 Jun 94 04:06:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7815; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 04:06:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 06:59:02 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Philip H. Smith III, 703 506-0500" Subject: Re: Lawsuits (was Infogrip) To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >From: Carol Wilson >Subject: Re: Infogrip > >I think as long as there is a buck to be made, won't scare anybody away >from anything. If you really believe this you're pretty naive. Various manufacturers have already stated, for example, that even if they found an AIDS vaccine they would probably not market it for liability reasons. Sad state of affairs. Doesn't mean *nobody* would market it, just that only the naive or dogmatic would. And in business, such are rarer every day. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:17:13 EDT >From: Carol Wilson >Subject: Re: Infogrip > >Because I wanted to. Because my employer insists on making us work at >unreasonable rates on equipment that is not adapted to the body. I >can't sue my employer because of workmens compensation so 3rd party >suits are not uncommon. Thats why. So *somebody* has to pay? Like I said, bad things happen. You can't go through life always looking for someone else to blame: accepting the fact that life isn't ideal is part of maturity. Move on. Further, deponent sayeth not. ...phsiii From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 08:21:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA01593; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:21:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 08:26:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171226.AA23928@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1711; Fri, 17 Jun 94 08:26:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2196; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:26:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1507; Fri, 17 Jun 94 05:26:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0726; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 05:26:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:26:13 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom: Thank you for the additional explanation, It sounds as though this book is definitly required reading for anyone remotely associated with repetitive strain injuries. I will have to re-adjust my thinking somewhat, but I do understand the logic and it does make some sense. Evan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 09:06:38 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA01673; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:06:35 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 09:12:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171312.AA24373@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2369; Fri, 17 Jun 94 09:12:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5243; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:10:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3680; Fri, 17 Jun 94 06:11:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3492; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 06:11:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:10:35 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Kanti M Timberlake Subject: SOREHAND Index - 15 Jun 1994 to 16 Jun 1994 X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ----- Begin Included Message ----- From @CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:owner- Fri Jun 17 03:14:28 1994 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:11:44 -0700 From: Automatic digest processor Subject: SOREHAND Index - 15 Jun 1994 to 16 Jun 1994 To: Recipients of SOREHAND indexes Index Date Size Poster and subject ----- ---- ---- ------------------ 02430 06/16 25 From: "Philip H. Smith III, 703 506-0500" Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 02431 06/16 11 From: "stomko@wchester.bitnet" Subject: Leahy Clinic, Boston 02432 06/16 30 From: Nick Parker Subject: Re: mutant knuckles & ganglion cysts 02433 06/16 9 From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Infogrip 02434 06/16 3 From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: voice dictation systems 02435 06/16 8 From: "Ballard, Paul" Subject: 02436 06/16 14 From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 02437 06/16 5 From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: Infogrip 02438 06/14 26 From: smullen Subject: aching chemist 02439 06/16 53 From: Michael Wiesenberg Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 02440 06/16 10 From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Infogrip 02441 06/16 42 From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI 02442 06/16 8 From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 02443 06/15 20 From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: New pain 02444 06/15 7 From: AlKorn@AOL.COM Subject: Handeze & Hand-Aids Gloves 02445 06/16 6 From: Kassman@AOL.COM Subject: Sue ME! 02446 06/16 7 From: Carol Wilson Subject: Re: Infogrip 02447 06/16 2 From: Steve Hansen Subject: Food & vitamins 02448 06/16 1 From: Craig O'Donnell Subject: Re: Leahy Clinic, Boston 02449 06/16 27 From: Craig O'Donnell Subject: Smithsonian 02450 06/16 25 From: "Gary L. Karp" Subject: Voice Activation Sources 02451 06/16 37 From: "Gary L. Karp" Subject: Arm Support 02452 06/17 58 From: Craig O'Donnell Subject: mailing lists (fwd) The sizes shown are the number of lines in the messages, not counting mail headers. For your convenience, this message has been specially formatted to make it easier to order the messages you are interested in. Just forward this message back to LISTSERV@UCSFVM (or LISTSERV@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU) and fill in the line starting with "Print" (if there is not enough space, you can add more lines as long as you type "Print" on each new line). Make sure to use the forward command of your mail program, not the normal reply function. There is a lot more the LISTSERV database functions can do for you - for instance, you can select all the messages with a particular subject in a single command rather than retyping all the index numbers. For more information, send an INFO DATABASE command to LISTSERV (you could add it before the line that says "Database search" the next time you order messages from the LISTSERV archive). // JOB Database search DD=Orders //Orders DD * Select * in SOREHAND.2430-2452 Print 02430, 02436, 02439, 02441, 02444, 02447, 02449, 02451, 02452 /* // EOJ ----- End Included Message ----- From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 11:26:49 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA02047; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:26:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171503.AA26015@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3667; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:03:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8667; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:03:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0871; Fri, 17 Jun 94 08:03:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3990; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:03:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:54:49 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Food & vitamins X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406162036.AA07094@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Steve Hansen" at Jun 16, 94 1:40 pm |Does anyone know of foods/vitamins to loosen/relax muscles? |Foods to avoid? There are two herbs that I know of that calm the nerves and relax muscles: passiflora (passion flower) and valerian root. I have seen both of them list in the ingrediants of soothing teas. They are also the only ingrediants in a muscle relaxant that I get from my chiropractor. I'm sure you can find them in any good health food store. If you can't find them, let me know. I just became a distributor of Enrich herbal products. I may have these in my product line. Dale Rogers ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 11:27:24 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA02052; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:27:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:14:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171514.AA26221@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3809; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:14:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9044; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:14:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1508; Fri, 17 Jun 94 08:14:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4541; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:14:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:12:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Infogrip X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406161938.AA16319@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> Carol, I don't accept that because you feel that you have been wronged by your employeer and can't sue them, it is just to sue someone else who has not wronged you. It is this attitude that is causing insurance to dominate our lives. It has often made it impossible to teach workshops, or have dances, run a small canoe rental operation, or run an open to the public hot tub establishment. Please find some other way to vent your anger. Flame off Dan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 13:29:41 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA02400; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:29:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 12:20:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171620.AA27382@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4588; Fri, 17 Jun 94 12:20:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1066; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:20:05 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6302; Fri, 17 Jun 94 09:20:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0718; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:19:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:17:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Dr Emil Pascarelli on RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > Thank you for the additional explanation, It sounds as though this book is > definitly required reading for anyone remotely associated with repetitive > strain injuries. > To quote from the preface of the book, by Fred Hochberg, M.D.: "The book tells computer users everything they need to know about RSI, and it should be on the desk of every computer user in America." Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 14:32:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA02585; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:32:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:38:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171838.AA29721@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6242; Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:37:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5562; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:37:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6067; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:37:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9414; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:37:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:26:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: mutant knuckles & lawsuits To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Thanks for all the replies, folks. My doctor confirmed your ganglion cyst diagnoses and told me to come back and have it drained if it gets too big. (*I* think it's too big now, but I'm not the doctor. :) My two cents on the lawsuit too-ra: I think if we're going to go around suing companies whose design flaws cause us pain, I will sue Mentos' advertising agency for the mental anguish and confusion the Freshmaker ads cause me. Anyone want to join me? Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 14:34:23 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA02595; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:34:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:40:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171840.AA29771@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6264; Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:39:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5615; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:39:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6160; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:39:58 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9485; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:39:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:27:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Lawsuits (was Infogrip) X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406171106.AA21534@world.std.com> On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Philip H. Smith III, 703 506-0500 wrote: > have already stated, for example, that even if they found an AIDS > vaccine they would probably not market it for liability reasons. Sad > state of affairs. Doesn't mean *nobody* would market it, just that only > the naive or dogmatic would. And in business, such are rarer every day. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- Philiip, so people would go to Mexico, or Bermuda, or Canada, or Germany ... so we buy a keyboard made in Sweden. So what? --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 14:47:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA02625; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:47:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:52:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171852.AA00121@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6438; Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:52:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6134; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:52:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6970; Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:52:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0078; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:52:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:38:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: mutant knuckles & lawsuits X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406171831.AA06979@world.std.com> On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Karen Whitehouse wrote: > My two cents on the lawsuit too-ra: I think if we're going to go > around suing companies whose design flaws cause us pain, I will sue > Mentos' advertising agency for the mental anguish and confusion the > Freshmaker ads cause me. Anyone want to join me? Sure, I will! Here's another plan which I devised after heading that the Dept of Defense had spend 8 billion (probably more) on Doomsday, lead-lined tractor trailers that would ply the highways in the event of attack: Divide 8 billion by 200 million and send 'em a bill for your share. Maybe you could calculate your hourly rate and multiply the lengt of the mentos-osity by the number of times you saw it ... send 'em a bill. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 14:57:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA02650; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:57:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:03:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171903.AA00353@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6548; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:03:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6422; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:03:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7629; Fri, 17 Jun 94 12:03:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0588; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:03:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:58:39 EST5EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Alan Hammaker Organization: McGill University - P&OT Subject: Re: Can RSI be caused by....? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@VM1.MCGILL.CA To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Christy -- Write Rene Comtois at the following address: Comtois.Rene@UQAM.CA Rene works with the Universite de Quebec a Montreal (hench the UQAM) safety office and has an ergonomic background. Speaks English as well. They have developed and are anticipating marketing an ergonomic shelving trolley. I should think discussion with him might give you some support and/or insights. Perhaps just forward your initial enquiry to him and add a note that I suggested you contact him. Alan Hammaker alan@physocc.lan.mcgill.ca From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 15:53:02 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA02834; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:52:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:58:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406171958.AA01114@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7082; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:58:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7891; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:58:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1223; Fri, 17 Jun 94 12:58:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3511; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:58:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:56:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Lawsuits (was Infogrip) X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406171924.AA03494@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Craig O'Donnell wrote: > Philiip, > so people would go to Mexico, or Bermuda, or Canada, or Germany ... so > we buy a keyboard made in Sweden. So what? > --- COD> Go Go Go ..... Let's export all of the jobs making products and tools that workers here we might use in ways that a might stress some individuals' bodies and help cause a CTD. And while we are at it, let's also export all of the jobs that have been linked with or are believed to be causes of CTDs. And then we'll all sue the manufactures who made the old equipment, and live off the monies from those law suits. Sounds like a good plan. ..... NOT From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 16:13:15 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA02969; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:13:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:18:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172018.AA01529@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7232; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:11:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8290; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:11:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1955; Fri, 17 Jun 94 13:11:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4052; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:11:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:08:00 GMT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Marutiak Subject: myotherapy experiences X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have just started a course of myotherapy treatment, based on the references provided by others using the list. While it's too early to tell from my initial visit if it's going to help me, I recall others giving myotherapy a very favorable review. My myotherapist is one of only three Bonnie Pruden types here in the Bay area, and she is also the head of the international association for them. She'd like to know the stories of those that were helped by myotherapy, for either carpal tunnel or tendonitis. If you've got a story such as that, please drop me a line or post it to the list for me. AdvThanksance, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave Marutiak AT&T Bell Laboratories (510) 815 - 8095 (vf) D(ude)MTS 2300 Camino Ramon m34djm@pc035b.att.com San Ramon, CA 94583 (510) 815 - 8163 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think" - Horace Walpole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 16:27:51 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA03005; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:27:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:23:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172023.AA01590@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7364; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:21:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8650; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:21:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2512; Fri, 17 Jun 94 13:21:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4493; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:21:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:31:45 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Infogrip Video Review X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Infogrip, makers of the BAT keyboard is offering a video for $2.95 plus shipping. Being pretty cheap, I took them up, and here's what I think It was disappointing. I hoped for some detailed information on how it operated, what key combinations resulted in what characters, for instance, or how it is programmed. Instead, it was much more of a marketing piece, ten minutes long. Part of it used actors portraying happy users. There were also several real life testimonials, but I did not find them very eloquent or informative. Their emphasis is on saving desk space, and using one hand rather than two, especially great, in their view, for someone who uses the telephone a lot (who should use a headset, anyway, too free the hands and shoulders). If you can easily spare the three bucks, or if you have never seen it at all, then check it out. If you hope for more detail, you may be let down. To order, call 800/397-0921. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 17:19:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA03408; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:19:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:34:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172034.AA01796@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7498; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:34:35 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8995; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:34:35 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3222; Fri, 17 Jun 94 13:34:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5132; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:34:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 19:55:57 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Re: Food & vitamins X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In message <9406170049.aa20700@post.demon.co.uk> SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn writes: > Does anyone know of foods/vitamins to loosen/relax muscles? > Foods to avoid? No, but I've been trying aromatherapy -- essential oils. I have tried a combination of pine (3 drops) and eucalyptus (4 drops) in my bath, not, I have to say, on any very scientific basis, but because I thought that stimulating the blood circulation would be a Good Thing to help my recovery from tendonitis (if that's what I've really got...) Don't know whether the effect was medically efficacious or not but it really felt good, and I did feel better about my arm. Be warned though -- these oils are very potent, you only need a few drops in a big bath, and you shouldn't ever apply them straight to your skin. -- Ellen Mizzell (ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 17:20:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA03415; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:19:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:53:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172053.AA02208@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7648; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:53:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9487; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:53:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4137; Fri, 17 Jun 94 13:53:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5891; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:53:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:46:21 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Food & vitamins X-To: The sorehand Mailing List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406172030.AA07834@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Ellen Mizzell" at Jun 17, 94 7:55 pm |In message <9406170049.aa20700@post.demon.co.uk> SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn writes: |> Does anyone know of foods/vitamins to loosen/relax muscles? |> Foods to avoid? | |No, but I've been trying aromatherapy -- essential oils. I have tried a |combination of pine (3 drops) and eucalyptus (4 drops) in my bath, not, |I have to say, on any very scientific basis, but because I thought that |stimulating the blood circulation would be a Good Thing to help my recovery |from tendonitis (if that's what I've really got...) Don't know whether the |effect was medically efficacious or not but it really felt good, and I did |feel better about my arm. I replied privately to the original poster. But I thought again and thought others may benefit from it. There are two natural substances that I know of that are used for relaxation of muscles and soothing of the nerves: Passiflora (passion flower) and Valerian root. Both of these can be found in various "over the counter" teas. I get muscle relaxers from my chiropractor that have both of these substances as the active ingrediants. You should be able to find them at any good health food store. If you can't find them, let me know. I am a distributor of Enrich Herbal products. I may have them in my product line. (I say may because I just started with the company and don't have a complete list of the products just yet.) Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 18:02:37 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA03546; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:02:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:08:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172208.AA00954@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8288; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:08:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1197; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:08:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8406; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:08:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2168; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:08:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:06:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Antone F. Johnson" Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 15 Jun 1994 to 16 Jun 1994 X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406170713.AAA10390@mail.netcom.com> > Why don't we sue deaf people for making us use sign language? Similarly we > can sue Les Paul for the electric guitar, Mozart for making me want to play > like him, bike makers, car companies and whoever it was that discovered all > those crazy periodic elements that is making us try and figure out how this > world work. [drivel removed] Please, get a clue before making such counterproductive, sarcastic remarks. Go to the archives and read my two previous posts to the list regarding the theory of strict product liability in tort law. Suffice it to say that the modern American regime of product liability law is a redistributive economic mechanism that follows the moral principle that people injured in the course of generating wealth for society should be compensated for that injury. Litigation is the method of compensation because the United States lacks a comprehensive social insurance scheme. Moral blameworthiness on the part of the manufacturer is irrelevant (unless punitive damages are assessed), as it is for employers in Workers Comp law. The cost of such compensation is incorporated into the price of products we all purchase. The cost of compassion, if you will. That mindless flame was a typical reponse, because Americans love to blame lawyers for all of their shortcomings rather than take responsibility for them. Truth is, if people were honest and responsible in their dealings with each other, lawyers would be out of business. The social disintegration of the United States makes my profession prosper. > Because I wanted to. Because my employer insists on making us work at > unreasonable rates on equipment that is not adapted to the body. I can't > sue my employer because of workmens compensation so 3rd party suits are > not uncommon. Thats why. Exactly. Antone Johnson Columbia Law School afj1@columbia.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 18:21:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA03595; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:21:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:27:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172227.AA01157@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8377; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:27:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1452; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:27:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9293; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:27:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2880; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:27:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:26:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Mary A. Hultquist" Subject: Re: myotherapy experiences X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:08:00 GMT." <199406172011.NAA21480@data.nas.nasa.gov> Great. Thanks for the info. My hand surgeon suggested trigger point therapy and the physical therapy folks showed me the basics, but that was as far as it got (no more visits approved). Since we're basically in the same area, could you give me the name and location of your myotherapist so I can pursue this further? Is this person an MD, PT,??? Thanks for all the info! Mary From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 18:30:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA03614; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:30:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:36:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172236.AA01264@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8419; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:35:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1573; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:35:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9548; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:35:47 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3113; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:35:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:34:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Program for timing typing X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > Tom Knotts: can you give us more information on the program that > runs a timer whenever the keys are pressed??? It is a c program for X-Windows which we wrote; it was inspired by a script program 'typewatch' that has been floating around for awhile. Ours also monitors the mouse. We haven't released it outside HP. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 18:42:56 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA03646; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:42:54 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172248.AA01396@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8500; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:48:27 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1768; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:48:27 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0059; Fri, 17 Jun 94 15:48:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3557; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:48:30 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:38:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Leapin' lawyers! To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Just to preserve social harmony, let me point out that the flame was directed at people who use injuries as a means of financial gain, not at lawyers or even (I think) at victims who have no other way to take care of their injuries except by winning a settlement against the causer of said injuries. I can't imagine that anyone would deny there's a real problem with liability suits; outrageous examples include a guy who sued a neighbor after hurting himself with fireworks *he* brought over to the neighbor's barbecue and lit off despite the host's objections. The lawyer who took that case should be ashamed of him/herself, as should the "victim." Just because a suit is possible under the law does not mean it's right. Specifically, now that I've thought out the keyboard suit, I find I don't object to it. If the plaintiffs win, perhaps the keyboard makers will have to include a warning about RSI, maybe a pamphlet on how to avoid it. I wouldn't join in, because I have genetically poor tendons, and I don't think I could prove that I wouldn't develop tendonitis eventually, even without typing. This isn't like heavy smokers suing the tobacco companies; the risk of RSI has only been widely known for a couple years, I'd say, and honestly, it's not like you can give up your computer and keep working. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 19:49:37 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA03788; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 19:49:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 19:01:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406172301.AA01566@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8574; Fri, 17 Jun 94 19:01:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1973; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 19:01:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0601; Fri, 17 Jun 94 16:01:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3954; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:01:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:00:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Re[2]: Leapin' lawyers! X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > avoid it. I wouldn't join in, because I have genetically poor tendons, > and I don't think I could prove that I wouldn't develop tendonitis > eventually, even without typing. Could you tell us what you mean by this? Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 17 20:25:23 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA03906; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:25:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jun 94 20:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406180031.AA02662@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9003; Fri, 17 Jun 94 20:30:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3169; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:30:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3832; Fri, 17 Jun 94 17:30:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2732; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:30:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:29:35 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Mrs. R.M. Peacock" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Turns out I'm just psycho To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I wonder how many businesses are aware of the impact of RSI's in their actual midst. I have been in touch with my former coworkers, and they say that the administration was SHOCKED when I quit because of the pain (there was no other way to get the rest my wrists needed). Could be a variant of the "it can't happen to me" syndrome. Mrs. P. (who is now a happy housewife and wishes she'd quit sooner!) :) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 01:15:21 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA05195; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:15:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 01:21:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406180521.AA05215@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0081; Sat, 18 Jun 94 01:20:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5847; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:20:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1024; Fri, 17 Jun 94 22:20:43 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8543; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 22:20:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:18:21 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Infogrip X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND As one who works with RSI patients. I think that certain concepts must be understood. At the time many of the current keyboards were designed, little was known about their contribution to RSI. In fact many keyboards can safely be used if the person using them is positioned correctly. Much of the reading that I have done suggests that neck and back posture can be contributory to RSIs. Thus would suspect that ysing even a "safe" keyboard could be injurious if the user were positioned in a kyphotic posture. The keyboard is not responsible for the rate of work required by the employer. I would think that for any such suit to be successful one would have to show that it did not meet reasonable standards of design at the time of manufactur. It is unfortunate that you cannot seek legal remedy against your employer because of the work pace EVan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 01:15:25 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA05198; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:15:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 01:21:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406180521.AA05220@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0085; Sat, 18 Jun 94 01:20:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5855; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:20:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1034; Fri, 17 Jun 94 22:20:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8549; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 22:20:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:18:50 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Lawyers X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Antone Get a grip here buddy. You seem to think that it is just to look for deep pockets in a manner that resembles welfare. I don't buy it. The truth is that lawyers are in the business to figure out how to manipulate the sysem for financial gain. And if peopel were open and honest in their dealings with each other then lawyers would figure out another way to suck like leaches on our economic blood. To blame the keyboard manufacture for an un reasonable work rate or a persons poor work posture is a typical example of how the system stinks. When you shift the responsibility of cost away from the cause and to the source you are most likely to collect from, the legal profession does absolutely nothing to right the wrongs of the system. I see lawyers who seem to think that the best way to handle a work comp case is to encourage the patient to not participate in programs designed by their health care providor so that the patient will appear as disabled as possible in the eyes of the court. Then the case gets settled and whamo the lawyer gets 30% of whatever the patient was awarded and then the expenses come out of that. Then guess what happens the lawyer is gone and the person still has back pain. But now since the insurance has settled with the worker, they don't owe him or her squat. Meanwhile the worker still has to make a living and continue to try to seek care for their condition on $15 to $20 thousand dollars. I may have stepped on some toes here but lawyers are not the white night defenders of the fabric of society they would have us think that they are. So come down off your high horse before you mindlessly show how ignorant of the real world you are. EVan EKay@aol.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 02:14:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id CAA05265; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 02:14:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 02:20:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406180620.AA05741@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0329; Sat, 18 Jun 94 02:20:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6456; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 02:20:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2301; Fri, 17 Jun 94 23:20:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0791; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 23:20:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 02:18:36 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: aching chemist X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND smullen writes: >I had several responses that >suggested I see a physiatrist. I am currently looking for one in my area. For you and others seeking a physiatrist, here is the contact info for the American Academy of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation: 122 South Michigan Avenue Suite 1300 Chicago, Illinois 60603 312-922-9366 Good luck. Remind your boss that CTS is only the most commonly mis-diagonsed RSI and you are STILL injured even if you don't have it. Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've Been Moved -- out of IBM! If you know anyone who needs someone to improve the usability of their user interfaces, drop me a note... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 06:58:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id GAA05584; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 06:58:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 07:04:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9406181104.AA07481@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0721; Sat, 18 Jun 94 07:03:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8181; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 07:03:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4849; Sat, 18 Jun 94 04:03:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3631; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 04:03:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 11:57:29 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Re: Food and vitamins X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.earn To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In message <9406170049.aa20700@post.demon.co.uk> SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn writes: > Does anyone know of foods/vitamins to loosen/relax muscles? > Foods to avoid? No, but I've been trying aromatherapy -- essential oils. I have tried a combination of pine (3 drops) and eucalyptus (4 drops) in my bath, not, I have to say, on any very scientific basis, but because I thought that stimulating the blood circulation would be a Good Thing to help my recovery from tendonitis (if that's what I've really got...) Don't know whether the effect was medically efficacious or not but it really felt good, and I did feel better about my arm. Be warned though -- these oils are very potent, you only need a few drops in a big bath, and you shouldn't ever apply them straight to your skin. -- Ellen Mizzell (ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk) ********************************************************* From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 08:37:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA05662; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 08:37:49 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 08:43:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406181243.AA07981@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0866; Sat, 18 Jun 94 08:43:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8706; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 08:43:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5617; Sat, 18 Jun 94 05:43:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4216; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 05:43:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:40:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Janet Alexander Subject: Can we reply more to sender? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi, everybody. I love this list but the traffic is getting overwhelming. Since for many of us even pressing the delete key can be painful at times, can we reply more to the sender of the message and less to the list? And then if there are lots of replies the person can summarize for the list? Some stuff is obviously of general interest, but lots of it is just a personal message to one person. As you can tell, my hands are sore today... Thanks for considering this. -Jan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 10:19:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA05759; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 10:19:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 10:25:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406181425.AA09146@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1107; Sat, 18 Jun 94 10:25:03 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9499; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 10:25:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7079; Sat, 18 Jun 94 07:25:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5797; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 07:25:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 06:28:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Jeffrey A. Fox (JA_FOX@PNL.GOV)" Subject: National Rehabilitation Hospital X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have had RSI-related problem for the past 1.5 years and I was just reffered to the Center for Repetitive Motion Disorders at the National Rehabilitation Hospital Does anybody have any information about this clinic (good or bad)? I would like to hear about any personal experiences with this organization. I am also interested in recommendations for other therapy places in the Metro DC area. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 15:35:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA06057; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 15:35:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 15:41:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406181941.AA11794@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2034; Sat, 18 Jun 94 15:40:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2072; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 15:40:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4214; Sat, 18 Jun 94 12:40:49 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9339; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 12:40:49 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 12:39:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Antone F. Johnson" Subject: Lawsuits and compensation for injury X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406180723.AAA26041@mail.netcom.com> > Get a grip here buddy. You seem to think that it is just to look for deep > pockets in a manner that resembles welfare. I don't buy it. Gee, that's nice. Could you provide me with a logically persuasive argument to back up that conclusory statement? And tell me how it is that New Zealand's comprehensive social insurance scheme, to take one example, is reprehensible in your moral vision? > The truth is that lawyers are in the business to figure out how to manipulate > the sysem for financial gain. And if peopel were open and honest in their > dealings with each other then lawyers would figure out another way to suck > like leaches on our economic blood. Oh, I see. And if people no longer were sick, doctors would figure out another way to suck like leaches on our economic blood too, right? Give me a break. Provide me with one shred of evidence on this conspiracy theory of yours. I'd love to know how lawyers could earn income without clients asking them to file suits and draft documents. Believe it or not, most WC and tort claims are valid. Yes, lawyers do recover awards to compensate children run down by drunk drivers, or people horribly disfigured in car crashes because the manufacturer put the gas tank in a stupid place. > To blame the keyboard manufacture for > an un reasonable work rate or a persons poor work posture is a typical > example of how the system stinks. When you shift the responsibility of cost > away from the cause and to the source you are most likely to collect from, > the legal profession does absolutely nothing to right the wrongs of the > system. Sure, that's how insurance works. The theory behind no-fault is that the transaction cost of determining who is at fault in each case (worker, employer or manufacturer) is so high (i.e. lawyers' fees and court costs) that it's cheaper for society to just pool its money to compensate the injured regardless of fault. This is why every state in the U.S. has a Workers Comp system to replace tort suits. And by the way, the employers do end up paying in the form of higher equipment prices, assuming the suit against keyboard manufacturers succeeds (which it probably won't). > I see lawyers who seem to think that the best way to handle a work comp case > is to encourage the patient to not participate in programs designed by their > health care providor so that the patient will appear as disabled as possible > in the eyes of the court. Then the case gets settled and whamo the lawyer > gets 30% of whatever the patient was awarded and then the expenses come out > of that. Then guess what happens the lawyer is gone and the person still has > back pain. But now since the insurance has settled with the worker, they > don't owe him or her squat. Meanwhile the worker still has to make a living > and continue to try to seek care for their condition on $15 to $20 thousand > dollars. Of course some lawyers are crooks. Every profession has its share of crooks. And frankly, I have little sympathy for someone who refrains from getting treatment on the advice of his corrupt lawyer. Such a person is being dishonest himself and manipulating the System(tm) for his own gain. And your point about the cost of seeking future care, while well taken, is a case for health care reform rather than tort reform. > I may have stepped on some toes here but lawyers are not the white night > defenders of the fabric of society they would have us think that they are. Oh, I forgot... ALL lawyers are the same. Silly me. > So come down off your high horse before you mindlessly show how ignorant of > the real world you are. Thanks for being gratuitously insulting. Reread my post and tell me where I said anything about white knight defenders of society. You missed my central point, which was that strict liability tort suits are a morally neutral compensation scheme rather than an assignation of blame. It's not black and white -- all gray. Antone Johnson Columbia Law School afj1@columbia.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 18:56:16 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA06392; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 18:56:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 19:02:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406182302.AA13376@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2801; Sat, 18 Jun 94 19:01:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4062; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 19:01:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8916; Sat, 18 Jun 94 16:01:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6203; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 16:01:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 19:00:46 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Lawsuits and compensation for injury X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >Gee, that's nice. Could you provide me with a logically persuasive >argument to back up that conclusory statement? And tell me how it is that >New Zealand's comprehensive social insurance scheme, to take one example, is >reprehensible in your moral vision? I was not referring to New Zealand as I know nothing about their social insurance system. I was referring to the good old USA. While it may be a legal concept that tort = insurance, it seems foreign to me and I dont think it is right. It seems to me that the system often goes after the deep pockets who can provide the big settlments rather than the entity who may have used the product in a manner other than its intended use. IF you will notice, there is perhaps one maker of personal air craft here in the states. Why becuase product liability has driven them out of businees with lawsuits that seem to win even when the plane was modified from the original design and or not kept in good repair. That amounts to legized theft. I would also submit that the suit by texaco and Cheezbouro (sp) ponds against businesses in several businesses in New Jersy for their contribution of card board to landfills that both businesses dumped heavy metals in is a perfect example of a legal system that worries not what right and wrong are but who has the lawyer who is best at manipulating the system. >And by the way, the employers >do end up paying in the form of higher equipment prices, assuming the >suit against keyboard manufacturers succeeds (which it probably won't) So all employers are held responsible for the misdeeds of a few. In other words, employers who have good ergonomic programs and don't hurt their employees still have to share the costs incurred by the employers who don't take care of theor employees, or make them work in poor work stations. As I said earlier, even good equipment is bad when used incorrectly. >Thanks for being gratuitously insulting. Your welcome Seriously though I thought it fit in with the tone of your relpy to an earlier post. If we wish to discuss this further, feel free to E-mail me at EKay@ aol.com. These long posts only add to others peoples bill who may not wish to read a personaly discussion. Evan EKay@aol.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 18 20:10:40 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA06461; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 20:10:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 20:16:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406190016.AA14036@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3001; Sat, 18 Jun 94 20:16:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4566; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 20:16:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9796; Sat, 18 Jun 94 17:16:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6970; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 17:16:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 16:21:43 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Bay Area Conference X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND The University of California Center for Occupational and Environmental Health is putting on its seventh annual Occupational Safety and Health Institute from August 1-5, 1994 at the San Francisco Hilton near the San Francisco airport on the peninsula. The course offerings are: Comprehensive Review of Industrial Hygiene Risk Assessment & Risk Communication Ventilation for Control of Airborne Contaminants 1993 Workers' Compensation Reform Controlling Injuries: Political, Organizational, Social & Individual Factors Stress in the Workplace: New Looks, New Tools, New Action Update on Office Ergonomics Legal Aspects of Safety and Environmental Management The Ergonomics course is on the 4th and 5th, 8:30 to 5 for $395. I will have the pleasure of hosting the session on tools. We will have a desk layout, keyboards, software like The Sword and Co:Writer, input devices, and a biofeedback setup to ascertain the least effort at the keyboard. There will also be a voice activation demo, and more. For more info and a catalog, call 510/231-5645. Sorry for the late info. Payment is due by June 24. See you there? Gary Karp Onsight From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 19 02:38:35 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id CAA07448; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 02:38:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jun 94 02:44:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406190644.AA17574@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4006; Sun, 19 Jun 94 02:43:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7185; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 02:43:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5419; Sat, 18 Jun 94 23:43:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5114; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 23:43:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 02:50:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: John Dunning Subject: Looking for doctors in New Jersey To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I'm looking for an RSI doctor in New Jersey, especially someone knowledgeable in retraining techniques. I'm not even sure what to look under in the phone book. Occupational medicine? Physical therapists? I know someone posted a similar message a few weeks ago, but no one replied to him on the list and i couldn't reach him by email. Is this sort of information available online somewhere? Seems like it should be, if it's not. Just a simple list sorted by area would be useful. John ______________________________________________________________________________ John Dunning jdunning@phoenix.princeton.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 19 03:43:52 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id DAA07504; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 03:43:49 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jun 94 03:49:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9406190749.AA18024@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4108; Sun, 19 Jun 94 03:49:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7498; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 03:49:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6185; Sun, 19 Jun 94 00:49:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5632; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 00:49:34 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 03:38:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin Subject: Seeking a voice recognition system X-To: C+HEALTH@IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU, RSI-EAST@SJUVM.BITNET, SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am a computer programmer currently in physical therapy for tendonitis in both arms. My occupational therapist and I are interested in having me try a voice recognition system, but we don't want to buy one just to try it out. We are interested in trying out more than one, because when they find one they like, they may be very interested in using it for many other patients at the rehabilitation center. Therefore, we're looking for something we could use on a free trial basis, with no obligation to buy. I'd like to find one that works with both OS/2 and Windows operating systems. Also, one that I could program to do COBOL 2, Oracle, etc. commands (programming languages) would be helpful. The ability to jump from window to window, click and drag, etc., without using a mouse would be nice. If anyone knows who can provide us with something like this, please e-mail the info to me. Thanks. gmartin@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 19 14:21:22 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08181; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 14:21:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jun 94 14:27:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406191827.AA22456@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5231; Sun, 19 Jun 94 14:27:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0581; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 14:27:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0311; Sun, 19 Jun 94 11:26:39 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0213; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 11:22:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 13:52:49 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Re: Infogrip X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > As one who works with RSI patients. I think that certain concepts must be > understood. At the time many of the current keyboards were designed, little > was known about their contribution to RSI. In fact many keyboards can safely > be used if the person using them is positioned correctly. Much of the > reading that I have done suggests that neck and back posture can be > contributory to RSIs. Thus would suspect that ysing even a "safe" keyboard > could be injurious if the user were positioned in a kyphotic posture. > > > > My experience confirms the link with neck and back posture. I was referred for physiotherapy for pain in my arm. When the physiotherapist ignored my arm and started working on my back and neck, I was dubious, but after only a few treatments I'm convinced. When she manipulates vertebrae in the back and neck, the pain in my arm goes away. This made the connection for me between the way I habitually sat when using a keyboard, and the tension it was causing in my arm and hand. It makes me think that re-educating people in the way to sit and the way to hold the hands would perhaps be more effective than redesigning the keyboard -- though I'm all in favour of that also. I read an interesting article by a woman who had used a conventional typewriter for many years (as I did) before developing RSI on a computer keyboard. She made the point that manual typewriters couldn't effectively be worked from a slouched position, and also that having to return the carriage at the end of every line automatically forced a slight but regular pause in keying, even on electric typewriters. Good points, I thought. -- Ellen Mizzell (ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 19 15:12:04 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA08216; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:12:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:18:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406191918.AA22922@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5365; Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:17:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0978; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:17:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1164; Sun, 19 Jun 94 12:17:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0981; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 12:17:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:17:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." 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From: QUIGLEYM@DELPHI.COM Subject: Listserv X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ok From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 19 15:31:17 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA08227; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:31:15 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:37:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406191937.AA23113@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5450; Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:36:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1196; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:36:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4978; Sun, 19 Jun 94 12:36:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4268; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 12:36:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 12:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Looking for doctors in New Jersey X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406190645.AA26750@world.std.com> John, call the number for the Am Assoc of Rehabilitation Medicine (or whatever) ... in the earlier message from Merryl. I can repost it if you need it. Some therapist & doctor referrals are listed in issues of the RSI Network Newsletter. (send the message "subscribe rsi" to Majordomo@world.std.com). From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 19 15:31:22 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA08232; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:31:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:37:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9406191937.AA23119@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5451; Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:37:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1198; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:37:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4987; Sun, 19 Jun 94 12:37:11 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4274; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 12:37:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 12:58:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." 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From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: More on Congressional Deliberations X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Sorry for its length ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:43:37 -0400 From:rsi-approval@world.std.com To: rsi-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE rsi@world.std.com: Approval required >From WIDNET@delphi.com Sun Jun 19 00:43:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06081; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:43:35 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6563) id <01HDPPIA8M289392VU@delphi.com>; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:43:28 EDT Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: World Institute on Disability Subject: Congressional Alert -- Please Help To: ada-law@vm1.nodak.edu, easi@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, guispeak@vm1.nodak.edu, axslib-l@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, Altlearn@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, Autism@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, Bicompal@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, CYSTIC-L@yalevm.cis.yale.edu, DSSHE-L%UBVM.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu, down-syn@vm1.nodak.edu, IBM-SRD@vm1.nodak.edu, icad%asuacad.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu, LD-List@East.Pima.EDU, MD-LIST@Data.Basix.COM, MSLIST-L%TECHNION.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu, mobility@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, nabs-l%ucsbvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu, PARKINSN%UTORVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu, pendulum@ncar.ucar.edu, RBWEINSTOCK@gallua.gallaudet.edu, RDEAF-L@bga.com, RSI-EAST@sjuvm.stjohns.edu, rsi@world.std.com, STUT-HLP@bgu.edu, TBI-SPRT@sjuvm.stjohns.edu Message-Id: <01HDPPIA8M2A9392VU@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: @ANNOUNCE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT World Institute on Disability June 19, 1994 Congressional Alert By Janina Sajka Summary Your help is urgently needed to convince members of the Senate Commerce Committee to put accessibility language into S. 1822--the bill that will build the Information Superhighway. Please call or fax Committee Chairman Sen. Hollings at 1-202-224-6121 voice, or 1-202-224-4293 fax. Tell him you'd like captioning for deaf people, descriptive video for blind people, and requirments for accessible equipment and services in S. 1822, just like House of Representatives committees have done in H.R. 3626 and H.R. 3636. What's Happening? Everything you know about telephones, television, and computers is about to change forever. Congress is now busy writing a new law designed to build an "Information Superhighway." We need your help to convince Congress to include access for people with disabilities in this law. We need YOUR help even if you know nothing about technology, because the Information Superhighway will be everywhere--in your home, at your job, at your school, on the street corner, at the hospital, in the library, and in the shopping mall. The Consortium for Citizens with Disabilities (CCD)--the people who brought you the ADA--has negotiated language with the House of Representatives designed to insure that people with disabilities will be able to use these new technologies. The language in H.R. 3636 and H.R. 3626 includes provisions for captioning and for descriptive video, as well as provisions requiring equipment and services to be accessible. The Senate bill, S. 1822, doesn't have this language. We need your help to get it there, so that it will be there for President Clinton to sign into law. The Senate Commerce Committee will act on these issues this next week. If you want strong disability language regarding access to the Information Superhighway--if you want video programming to be captioned and described--contact Senators on the Commerce Committee. A list of Committee members with addresses and phone numbers, some suggestions of what to say, and a sample letter, follow. What You Can Do Call, fax, or write today. Remember, you don't need to be an expert on technology to use a telephone, so you don't need to be an expert to tell Congress to include YOU in the Information Superhighway. Call, or send or fax a letter to Chairman Ernest Hollings, Senate Commerce, Science & Transportation Committee, Room 508, Dirksen Building, U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C. 20510. Call 1-202-224-6121 voice, or 1-202-224-4293 fax. There's a sample letter below. Get two of your friends or family to contact Senator Hollings. If your Senator is on the Senate Commerce Committee [See the list below], be sure to call, fax, or write them. What You Can Say Tell them you want and deserve to be part of America's information future. Tell them to put the House language requiring accessible equipment and services, as well as captioning and descriptive video, into S. 1822. SENATE COMMERCE SCIENCE & TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE All addresses below end with:, U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C. 20510 South Carolina Ernest Hollings, Chairman, Dirksen Bldg., #508, Voice: 1-202-224-6121 Fax: 1-202-224-4293 Hawaii Daniel Inouye, Hart Bldg., Room 722, Voice: 1-202-224-3934 Fax: 1-202-224-6747 Kentucky Wendell Ford, Russell Bldg., Room 173A, Voice: 1-202-224-4343 Fax: 1-202-224-0046 Nebraska J. James Exon, Hart Bldg., Room 520, Voice: 1-202-224-4224 Fax: 1-202-224-5213 West Virginia Jay Rockefeller, Hart Bldg., Room 109, Voice: 1-202-224-6472 Fax: 1-202-224-1689 Massachusetts John Kerry, Russell Bldg., Room 421, Voice: 1-202-224-2742 Fax: 1-202-224-8525 Louisiana John Breaux, Hart Bldg., Room 516, Voice: 1-202-224-4623 Fax: Unlisted Nevada Richard Bryan, Russell Bldg., Room 364, Voice: 1-202-224-6244 Fax: Unlisted Virginia Charles Robb, Russell Bldg., Room 493, Voice: 1-202-224-4024 Fax: 1-202-224-8689 North Dakota Byron Dorgan, Hart Bldg., Room 425, Voice: 1-202-225-2611 Fax: 1-202-225-9436 Texas Robert Krueger, Hart Bldg., Room 703, Voice: 1-202-224-5922 Fax: 1-202-224-0776 Missouri John Danforth, Russell Bldg., Room 249, Voice: 1-202-224-6154 Fax: Unlisted Oregon Bob Packwood, Russell Bldg., room 259, Voice: 1-202-224-5244 Fax: 1-202-228-3576 South Dakota Larry Pressler, Hart Bldg., Room 133, Voice: 1-202-224-5842 Fax: 1-202-224-1630 Alaska Ted Stevens, Hart Bldg., Room 522, Voice: 1-202-224-3004 Fax: 1-202-224-1044 Arizona John McCain, Russell Bldg., Room 111, Voice: 1-202-224-2235 Fax: 1-202-228-2862 Montana Conrad Burns, Dirksen Bldg., Room 183, Voice: 1-202-224-2644 Fax: 1-202-224-8594 Washington Slade Gorton, Hart Bldg., Room 730, Voice: 1-202-224-3441 Fax: 1-202-224-9393 Mississippi Trent Lott, Russell Bldg., Room 487, Voice: 1-202-224-6253 Fax: 1-202-224-2262 New Hampshire Judd Gregg, Hart Bldg., Room 513, Voice: 1-202-224-3324 Fax: 1-202-224-4952 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SAMPLE LETTER Date Sen. Ernest Hollings, Chairman Commerce, Science & Transportation Committee Dirksen Building, Room 508 U.S. Senate Washington, DC 20510 Dear Senator Hollings: RE: S. 1822, Telecommunications Infrastructure Legislation I write to ask your support for provisions in telecommunications infrastructure legislation. In particular I ask your support for provisions which: * require Bell telephone companies to address the access needs of individuals with disabilities in manufacturing of equipment and network services; and * require similar disability access requirements for all other providers of equipment and network services, not just Bell telephone companies; Also I ask your support for measures which ensure closed captioning and video description as a requirement so that individuals with hearing and vision disabilities can have access to everything that everyone else gets. I am particularly interested because (I am a person with a disability) (I am a family member/advocate for a person with a disability). If these types of things are not included in telecommunications infrastructure legislation, (I/we/my child) with a disability may end up among the "have nots" in the information age. Also, people with disabilities are not going to go away and the extra cost of retro- fitting "electronic curb cuts" in the future demands inclusion now. Please write me back that you will support these kinds of requirements. Sincerely, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ \This Congressional Alert was prepared and broadcast by Janina Sajka, WIDnet Manager Technology Policy Division World Institute on Disability widnet@delphi.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 20 10:14:19 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA25002; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:14:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jun 94 10:20:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406201420.AA09657@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9798; Mon, 20 Jun 94 10:19:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3996; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:19:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6128; Mon, 20 Jun 94 07:19:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9054; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 07:19:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:10:46 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: aching chemist X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406180613.AA08159@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Merryl Gross" at Jun 18, 94 2:18 am | smullen writes: |>I had several responses that |>suggested I see a physiatrist. I am currently looking for one in my area. What is a physiatrist? How do they differ from a physical therapist? Dale |For you and others seeking a physiatrist, here is the contact info for the |American Academy of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation: |122 South Michigan Avenue |Suite 1300 |Chicago, Illinois 60603 |312-922-9366 | |Good luck. Remind your boss that CTS is only the most commonly mis-diagonsed |RSI and you are STILL injured even if you don't have it. | |Merryl | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |I've Been Moved -- out of IBM! |If you know anyone who needs someone to improve the usability of their user |interfaces, drop me a note... |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 | From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 20 11:49:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA25886; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:49:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:55:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406201555.AA11310@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0780; Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:55:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6941; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:55:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2191; Mon, 20 Jun 94 08:55:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4155; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 08:55:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 08:43:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[4]: Leapin' lawyers! To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Because my mother was Rh-negative and I'm Rh-positive, her body saw my fetal self as a foreign body to be gotten rid of. (I don't think genetic is the right word, but it's closer than congenital, which is the only other term I can come up with.) While I came out of it fairly well, I do have a creaky body. This year I got tennis elbow from swinging my arm too vigorously. About a year and a half ago, I was on crutches for three weeks because of tendonitis in my foot. I wasn't even working out at the time, just walking around like a normal human. I've had mild tendonitis in my thumbs off and on for about eight or nine years (just recently diagnosed, but the pain's familiar) as well, and I'm only 23. The wrist thing is new, though, and clearly correlates to typing: the less I do it, the less the pain is. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org > avoid it. I wouldn't join in, because I have genetically poor tendons, > and I don't think I could prove that I wouldn't develop tendonitis > eventually, even without typing. >>Could you tell us what you mean by this? >>Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 20 11:55:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA25895; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:55:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jun 94 12:01:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9406201601.AA11432@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0855; Mon, 20 Jun 94 12:01:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7170; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 12:01:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2601; Mon, 20 Jun 94 09:01:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4453; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:01:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 12:01:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: aching chemist X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406201420.AA07674@world.std.com> Dale, a physiatrist is a rehabilitation medicine MD. A PT is someone who works long term with badly disabled people. An OT is someone who undertakes a specific course of therapy so someone becomes again able to work (or perform some other task). From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 08:14:50 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA29899; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 08:14:48 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:20:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211220.AA26663@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9203; Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:20:27 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8913; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 08:20:27 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0049; Tue, 21 Jun 94 05:20:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5926; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 05:20:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 08:18:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Vincent DelGobbo Subject: Re: FMS X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND There is a listserv set up to discuss Fibromyalgia. You can subscribe to it by sending the message: subscribe fibrom-l your-name-here to listserv@uiucvmd.bitnet. Subsequent messages can be sent to the list by directing them to fibrom-l@uiucvmd.bitnet. Vince sasvcd@unx.sas.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 10:19:49 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA00261; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:19:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 10:25:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211425.AA28177@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0366; Tue, 21 Jun 94 10:25:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2467; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:25:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6917; Tue, 21 Jun 94 07:25:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6609; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 07:25:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:24:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Mark London Subject: FMS X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > From: Priscilla Berry > Subject: 'FMS > > Hi, > > I'm new to this group and wondered if Fibromyalgia (FMS) has been discuessed. > > I have been in PT since last August with tendonitis throughout both hands, > arms and shoulders. > > Priscilla Berry FIBROM-L, the Fibromyalgia / Fibrosytis electronic discussion group mail list (bulletin board): To subscribe to this list, send a one line e-mail message to: listserv@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu If that address does not work, then use: listserv@uiucvmd And if that address does not work, then try: listserv@uiucvmd.bitnet Your e-mail need not include a 'from' or 'subject' header unless required by your local system. The single line of the message, in the message text area of your system, should read: sub fibrom-l your name From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 10:33:12 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA00277; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:33:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 10:04:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211404.AA27840@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0131; Tue, 21 Jun 94 10:04:31 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1891; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:04:31 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5601; Tue, 21 Jun 94 07:04:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4795; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 07:04:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:02:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to 15 Jun 1994 X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I still don't understand the exact method of replying personal to a single message. I will From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 11:21:35 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA00367; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 11:21:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 11:27:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211527.AA01174@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0963; Tue, 21 Jun 94 11:27:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4148; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 11:27:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0319; Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:27:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1980; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 08:27:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:29:13 +0200 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rolf Schreiber Subject: Re: How does it (RSI,CTS,...) start? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Rolf>> typing. So, how do these (severe) problems start? At what point Rolf>> should I stop typing at all? Scott> Could you provide us with the type of work (typing) you do - Scott> how much, duration s, etc. and how your equipment is set up? I'm working at my Ph.D. thesis in mathematics, which means programming all the time. So typing itself isn't even that much. Most of the time I'm just sitting and thinking or reading (Man-pages, News, mail, ...). When I'm typing then usually quite fast and touch-typing, perhaps this adds up to about 1-2 hours a day. I'm usually about 5-7 hours/day at the workstation for 5-6 days a week. I've got a timer set up to give me a 3 second break every 3 minutes, and a 1 minute break after 15 minutes of continously typing. In this 1 minute break I do some exercises for the shoulder. I've tried to set up my workstation in the described "optimal way". My chair is height adaptable, and I've put phone books under my feet, to get a good foot position. The screen is about 1 1/2 feet away and a bit below eye level. I've put the mouse on the left side (in case this were the problem for my right shoulder), and use it with the left hand now, and only if necessary. Rolf -- Rolf Schreiber email: rolf@mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 12:35:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA00725; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:35:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 12:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211615.AA02041@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1837; Tue, 21 Jun 94 12:15:16 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7092; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:12:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3541; Tue, 21 Jun 94 09:10:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5197; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 09:10:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:03:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jim Bland Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Did anyone see the article in The New York Times Business Section on Sunday, June 19, 1994 about Larry Grant who has rented a color screen on Internet to use to advertise for his florist business? Does anyone know how to do that or who to call or get in touch with to find out about such possibilities? If so, please let me know. I know this doesn't apply to the subject at hand on this list, but thanks for indulging me. (Hey, the subject at HAND-I made a funny!) Jane From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 13:03:15 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA00852; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:03:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211709.AA00763@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2508; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:09:18 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9545; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:09:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8242; Tue, 21 Jun 94 10:09:18 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2246; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:09:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:09:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Michael Wiesenberg Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND You made an even funnier by signing yourself "Jane." >From <@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jun 21 09:13:29 1994 >Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (cmsa.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.4]) by verity.c om (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id JAA24342 for ; Tue, 21 J un 1994 09:13:22 -0700 >Message-Id: <199406211613.JAA24342@verity.com> >Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) > with BSMTP id 5150; Tue, 21 Jun 94 09:11:27 PDT >Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by > CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5197; Tue, > 21 Jun 1994 09:10:05 -0700 >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:03:10 -0400 >Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." >Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU> >From: Jim Bland >Subject: Re: SOREHAND Digest - 14 Jun 1994 to >X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU >To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >Status: R > >Did anyone see the article in The New York Times Business Section on Sunday, >June 19, 1994 about Larry Grant who has rented a color screen on Internet to >use to advertise for his florist business? Does anyone know how to do that >or who to call or get in touch with to find out about such possibilities? > >If so, please let me know. > >I know this doesn't apply to the subject at hand on this list, but thanks >for indulging me. > >(Hey, the subject at HAND-I made a funny!) > >Jane > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 13:41:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA01071; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:41:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:47:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211747.AA01510@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2842; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:47:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0512; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:47:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0956; Tue, 21 Jun 94 10:47:31 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4510; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:47:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:45:11 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Re: How does RSI start? X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Rolf and others: >My own problems have started more than a year ago with tensed muscles >in the right shoulder/neck (I think it's called the trapezius muscle). >The problem has always been worst after a lot or intense typing.... >About three month ago I started having sort of pain in both of my >forearms. It has never been intense pain, more of a tingling/ cold >feeling, difficult to describe. It's been correlated to typing as I have Thoracic Outlet Syndrome (TOS), and I have had symptoms like yours. You might want to check this out. TOS happens in this way: bad posture/inactivity --> tightness in neck/shouders or, neck problem --> tightness in neck/shoulders then, tightness in neck/shoulders --> pinching of nerves/blood vessels pinching of nerve/blood vessels --> tightness in neck/shoulders It then becomes cyclical. If you do have TOS, an osteopath or PT who knows this may be able to help you. In my experience, TOS is not understood by everyone, and I think the therapies in use have not been standardized and perfected. In my experience, the world at this time is still trying to figure out how to treat this. Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 14:24:00 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA01390; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:23:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 14:30:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211830.AA02347@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3276; Tue, 21 Jun 94 14:29:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1990; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:29:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3939; Tue, 21 Jun 94 11:29:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8419; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 11:29:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:22:28 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: myotherapy experiences X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406172221.AA07984@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Mary A. Hultquist" at Jun 17, 94 3:26 pm |Great. Thanks for the info. My hand surgeon suggested trigger point |therapy and the physical therapy folks showed me the basics, but that |was as far as it got (no more visits approved). Since we're basically |in the same area, could you give me the name and location of your |myotherapist so I can pursue this further? Is this person an MD, PT,??? Isn't myotherapy just another word for massage therapy? In which case it would be a CMT. Certified Massage Therapist. I don't know... maybe there is something else floating around out there that I'm unaware of. myo --> muscle Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 15:58:25 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA01845; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 15:58:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 15:42:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406211942.AA04026@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3996; Tue, 21 Jun 94 15:41:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4089; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 15:41:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8669; Tue, 21 Jun 94 12:41:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3705; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:41:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 19:38:00 GMT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Marutiak Subject: myotherapy versus massage X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dale Rogers wondered aloud about the degree that a myotherapist would have. They use CBPM - Certified Bonnie Pruden Myotherapist - to describe their training, and it's what's on their wallpaper too. I suspect there is a significant difference between massage and myotherapy, although each includes many elements of the other. The concentration on trigger point release in myotherapy is far more than any masseur I've ever had, and after a release session the myotherapist does a brief massage to loosen the muscles back up, so it's really a matter of degree as well as kind. I just had my second session last night, and I'm still a bit sore the next day (but at least no bruises!). However, I went into the session with body wide, diffuse pain and came out pain free (that night). Bonnie's books cite many anecdotal cases of interest, especially the way it works with chronic pain cases. I'll finish out a course of about 4 treatments and then post the results to the group. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave Marutiak AT&T Bell Laboratories (510) 815 - 8095 (vf) D(ude)MTS 2300 Camino Ramon m34djm@pc035b.att.com San Ramon, CA 94583 (510) 815 - 8163 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think" - Horace Walpole - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 16:18:46 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA02021; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:18:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 16:24:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9406212024.AA04953@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4444; Tue, 21 Jun 94 16:24:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5367; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:24:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1429; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:24:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6365; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:24:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 15:50:49 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Bob Adams Subject: Re: How does it (RSI,CTS,...) start? X-To: UCSFVM.BITNET!SOREHAND@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: Bob Adams To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406211532.AA07393@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>; from "Rolf Schreiber" at Jun 21, 94 4:29 pm Rolf, You wrote: >I've put the mouse on the left side (in case this > were the problem for my right shoulder), and use it with the left hand > now, and only if necessary. Since you are not typing all that much, you may find that the mouse is a major cause. If so, like many others, your left side may start giving you trouble. If it starts to hurt and you are on SPARC, you can get a low cost voice input system that will replace all of the mouse operations. Regards, Bob Adams Command Corp. Inc. rea@gacc.atl.ga.us From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 16:31:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA02064; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:31:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 16:37:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9406212037.AA05217@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4564; Tue, 21 Jun 94 16:37:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5679; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:37:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2102; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:37:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7253; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:37:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:39:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jim Firestone Subject: Alternate pointing device needed for X-terminal X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Fellow Sorehand'ers: Lately I've been experiencing renewed finger pain in the hand I use to operate my mouse (a Logitech mouse interfacing with an NCD X-terminal). I have read Pete Johnson's "Pointing Device Summary Document" (March 1994 edition) and he indicates that the only alternate pointing device for workstations is for HP. I wanted to see if anyone has recently found other pointing device solutions for X-terminals. At minimum, I would like a drag-lock feature similar to what PC/Macintosh trackballs use. I also believe the double-clicks are hurting me, so maybe something like a foot pedal would be helpful if it is available. I do a lot of user interface development and use software like drawing packages, Mosaic for World Wide Web access, etc. so my mouse use is fairly intensive. Thanks in advance -- Jim Firestone Sr. Prog./Analyst General Sciences Corp./SAIC NASA/Goddard Space Flt. Ctr. Greenbelt, MD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 16:41:53 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA02117; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:41:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 16:48:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406212048.AA05468@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4662; Tue, 21 Jun 94 16:47:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5922; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:47:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2683; Tue, 21 Jun 94 13:47:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7746; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:47:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:46:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Vicky Louise Zaal Subject: Re: Sufferin' Chemists!; EMG, Industrial injury X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406160148.AA25708@orion.oac.uci.edu> As far as industrial injuries go, I worked for seven years in an assembly/ machine shop while supporting my family and putting myself through school. The company had been told of the importance of employee rotation between work stations many times over the years which they ignored. After six years, I experienced tearing and burning sensations in both arms. I had worked at a station which required the use of an airgun every 15 seconds in between initial assembly. After this injury, I found out that the woman who had usually worked at that station ripped up her tendons and that was why I had not seen her for some time. The company told me I was placed on light-duty (which they later claimed no record of) until my injury improved. However, it did not. I saw the company doctors who told me that after a few months of rest I would recover, although they never acknowledged or diagnosed any condition. I left the company and after three months with no improvement I brought a workers comp suit. Unfortunately, the attorneys I used did not specialize in workers comp and when the case became too dificult for them to manage, they refered me to an attorney who specialized in workers comp. This specialist pointed out that he never would have authorized the use of the workers comp doctor as an unbiased source of medical examination. This doctor and the judge both notoriously sided with the company. When I had gone for the examination, this Beverly Hills comp doctor just looked at me like I was making things up. Later on I saw a doctor at orthopedic hospital in L.A. who had several doctors training under him. He knew considerably more about the many different forms and areas of nerve entrapment. Nerve entrapment possibilities: anterior interosseous, CTS, tennis elbow, neck, etc. I was told that NERVE CONDUCTION TESTS CAN BE NOTORIOUSLY NEGATIVE when the condition is present. Recently I have had these tests done at University of California, Irvine Medical Center and they did see some evidence, however, I had changed my testing strategy. I felt that perhaps things had not shown up before because of the fact that I was not experiencing the pain and disfunction I felt during activity. So before testing I was as active as possible and went to the tests in pain rather than trying to avoid overstress and pain. The solutions suggested were surgery and physical therapy. Now that I have finished most of the graduation requirements here at UCI I will be exploring those options. The most important points are: 1. GET A SPECIALIST (doctor, attorney, etc.) 2. JUST BECAUSE THE TESTS DON'T SHOW IT, DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE IT. 3. IF A DOCTOR DOESN'T KNOW, HE IS THE WRONG ONE OR MEDICAL SCIENCE DOESN'T KNOW YET. And by the way, if you have a suit and still continue to try to earn a living, even if it's part time and flexible for your condition, or try to stay active while adapting ways to enable you stay active, they will probably use it as evidence against you to say that you don't have a problem, so beware. Vicky eaog162@orion.oac.uci.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 20:14:32 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA03012; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:14:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:20:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9406220020.AA08870@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6375; Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:20:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0552; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:20:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5031; Tue, 21 Jun 94 17:20:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6691; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:20:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 19:22:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gina Jozaitis Subject: Re: Food & vitamins X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >Does anyone know of foods/vitamins to loosen/relax muscles? >Foods to avoid? The elimination of "nightshade vegetables" is recommended for people with fibromyalgia/various arthritic conditions and muscle pain. This family of veggies consists of potatoes, tomataes, broccoli, eggplant, peppers, and other cruciferous vegetables (can't think of all of them offhand right now). You might also like to try Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and maybe Zinc. Good luck! ~ ~ @ @ ------oOOo-(O)-oOOo------ | | | Gina Jozaitis | | * * * * * * | | ginajo | | @ | |interaccess.com| | | |_______________| From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 20:21:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA03021; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:21:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:27:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406220027.AA08970@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6408; Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:27:16 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0631; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:27:16 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5492; Tue, 21 Jun 94 17:27:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8301; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:27:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:24:51 -0400 Reply-To: Dan Wallach Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Wallach Subject: Re: Alternate pointing device needed for X-terminal X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:39:09 CDT. >Lately I've been experiencing renewed finger pain in the hand I use to operate >my mouse (a Logitech mouse interfacing with an NCD X-terminal). You'll need to check with NCD, but I believe all these folks use generic PC mice. A new mouse might solve some of your problems. As far as other features like drag-lock, you probably want X11R6 with its AccessX suite. AccessX is designed to provide lots of functionality along these lines. If you had a workstation, I'd say just find a way to compile R6 today. With an X terminal, you'll need to speak to your X terminal salesperson and inquire about future releases. Ask for AccessX by name. If they don't know what it is, make them go find out! -- Dan Wallach "One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.princeton.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Phone#: 609-683-4673 of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. (Home page) http://www.cs.princeton.edu/grad/dwallach/ (finger for PGP key) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 21 20:48:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA03147; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:48:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:54:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406220054.AA09329@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6608; Tue, 21 Jun 94 20:54:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1236; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 20:54:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6556; Tue, 21 Jun 94 17:54:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0085; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:54:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:53:19 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Priscilla Berry Subject: Re: Food & vitamins X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND pb> pb> The elimination of "nightshade vegetables" is recommended for people with pb> fibromyalgia/various arthritic conditions and muscle pain. This family of pb> veggies consists of potatoes, tomataes, broccoli, eggplant, peppers, and pb> other cruciferous vegetables (can't think of all of them offhand right now). pb> Does anyone know why you should eliminate nightshades? I know the leaves are poison - why the fruit? Priscilla From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 01:48:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA04184; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:48:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 01:55:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406220555.AA12441@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8102; Wed, 22 Jun 94 01:54:58 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5315; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:54:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7338; Tue, 21 Jun 94 22:55:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7066; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:55:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:53:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: myotherapy experiences X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406211844.AA21177@world.std.com> << Isn't myotherapy just another word for massage therapy? In which case it would be a CMT. Certified Massage Therapist. >> Dale, there are non-massage approaches to myotherapy. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 01:50:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA04195; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:50:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 01:57:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406220557.AA12471@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8108; Wed, 22 Jun 94 01:57:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5333; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:57:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7400; Tue, 21 Jun 94 22:57:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7108; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:57:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:54:56 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: Seeking a voice recognition system X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND G Martin writes: >I'd like to find one that works with both OS/2 and Windows operating >systems. Also, one that I could program to do COBOL 2, Oracle, etc. >commands (programming languages) would be helpful. The ability to jump >from window to window, click and drag, etc., without using a mouse would >be nice. The IBM Personal Dication System will do what you want to do, according to the product info I had. I can't find it now, but if you call the IBM number in your local white pages (esp. the 800 number) and mention the product, they will be happy to transfer you to the right place. Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've Been Moved -- out of IBM! If you know anyone who needs someone to improve the usability of their user interfaces, drop me a note... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 01:51:40 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA04200; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:51:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 01:57:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406220557.AA12479@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8111; Wed, 22 Jun 94 01:57:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5339; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:57:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7420; Tue, 21 Jun 94 22:57:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7115; Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:57:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:55:26 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: aching chemist X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dale R Rogers writes: >What is a physiatrist? How do they differ from a physical >therapist? A physiatrist is a doctor specializing in physical medicine and rehabilitation. They know how to diagnose disorders and order the appropriate type of physical therapy or other things. A physical therapist knows how to perform the therapy. My physiatrist does not perform any therapy. The flyer I have indicates that physiatrists are more likely to use EMG, nerve conduction, and evoked potential tests. All I know is that my phys understands what to do when the problem is in the muscles, ligaments, and tendons and not in the joints. My ortho surgeon threw up his hands after my generalized tendonitis did not respond to drugs and splints. Hope that helps! Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've Been Moved -- out of IBM! If you know anyone who needs someone to improve the usability of their user interfaces, drop me a note... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 09:14:16 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA04954; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:14:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:20:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221320.AA16911@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9910; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:20:07 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0508; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:20:06 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8888; Wed, 22 Jun 94 06:19:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4099; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 06:19:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 06:18:17 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 From: "Kenneth S. Wright" <6732630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> Subject: Alternate pointing device needed for X-terminal X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND *** Resending note of 06/21/94 13:39 PROFS Nickname: KSWRIGHT >I have read Pete Johnson's "Pointing Device Summary Document" (March >1994 edition) and he indicates that the only alternate pointing device >for workstations is for HP. How can you access or get a copy of this document??? Scott From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 09:26:31 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA05035; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:26:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:32:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221332.AA17076@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0051; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:32:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0947; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:32:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9798; Wed, 22 Jun 94 06:32:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5217; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 06:32:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 06:31:46 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 From: "Kenneth S. Wright" <6732630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> Subject: Mouse Shadow by Shadowtech International Inc. X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND PROFS Nickname: KSWRIGHT I have just come across an article about a "mobile wristest" that is used with the mouse called the Mouse Shadow. It moves with the mouse to provide wrist/ar m support as compared to dragging the arm against a stationary wristrest. Apparently it is made by Shadowtech International Inc. Does any one know how t o contact this company or a source to look at/buy this device??? Thanks, Scott KSW From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 09:47:47 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA05069; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:47:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:54:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221354.AA17312@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0264; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:53:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1551; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:53:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1108; Wed, 22 Jun 94 06:53:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7237; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 06:53:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 08:51:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: slary Subject: Re: myotherapy versus massage X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dave--Please keep us posted as you go through this--especially how it may tend to chenge any habitual non-productive patterns of operation. Sincerely--slary@tahc.texas.gov > I'll finish out a course of about 4 treatments >and then post the results to the group. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Dave Marutiak AT&T Bell Laboratories (510) 815 - 8095 (vf) >D(ude)MTS 2300 Camino Ramon m34djm@pc035b.att.com > San Ramon, CA 94583 (510) 815 - 8163 (fax) >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think" > - Horace Walpole - >------------------------------------------------------------------------ From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 10:17:30 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA05125; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:17:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:23:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221423.AA17769@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0599; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:23:26 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2470; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:23:26 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3286; Wed, 22 Jun 94 07:23:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1707; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 07:23:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:51:13 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: smithl@BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Subject: Re: Mouse Shadow by Shadowtech International Inc. X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >I have just come across an article about a "mobile wristest" that is used with >the mouse called the Mouse Shadow. It moves with the mouse to provide wrist/ar >m support as compared to dragging the arm against a stationary wristrest. >Apparently it is made by Shadowtech International Inc. Does any one know how t >o contact this company or a source to look at/buy this device??? The number for Shadowtech International Inc. is 800-392-1402. (They DO make the Mouse Shadow.) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 10:23:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA05144; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:23:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:30:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221430.AA17896@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0666; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:29:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2641; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:29:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3682; Wed, 22 Jun 94 07:29:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1993; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 07:29:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:22:46 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: myotherapy experiences X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406220551.AA01821@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Craig O'Donnell" at Jun 22, 94 1:53 am |<< | Isn't myotherapy just another word for massage therapy? In | which case it would be a CMT. Certified Massage Therapist. |>> | |Dale, there are non-massage approaches to myotherapy. I'll try not to spend too much more time on this particular vein. In many of the massage schools I know about they provide training in a variety of modalities. Neuro-muscular training, polarity, swedish, shiatsu, cranio-sacral, lymphatic, Reiki, and even Rolphing at some places. The massage therapist's training is fairly well rounded and also goes into anatomy, physiology, and even nutrition and the use of herbs at some schools. The reason why I was asking is that I understand "massage therapy" as being much more than the swedish techniques that are generally associated with it. Many massage practioners also work on fascia release, and deep tissue work. More and more, massage therapists are being body workers. Still, it's not a college degree and is outside the realm of "conventional" medicine. One school offering a certification in "massage therapy" is the Myotherapy Institute (I think that's the name) in Salt Lake City Utah. They are recognize by the International Myotherapy Association. The certificaiton they offer is that of a massage therapist. Their curriculum is very well rounded and diverse (Tai Chi is even part of the training). So you can see where my question comes from. I was curious if myotherapy was a term that was interchangable with massage therapy. Thanks for all the responses. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 10:41:04 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA05176; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:41:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:47:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221447.AA18184@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0854; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:47:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3136; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:47:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4964; Wed, 22 Jun 94 07:47:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3626; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 07:47:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:45:19 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Mary J. Ziegler" Subject: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND From: mary ziegler Has anybody out there either taken or received information on the drugs amitryptyline (Elavil), imipranine (Tofravil), or any other tricyclic antidepressants which were prescribed for pain caused by RSI? I would appreciate any tidbit of information you might have on the above drugs. You can reply directly to: Mary J. Ziegler e-mail: maryz@rle.mit.edu telephone: 617-253-2566 Thanks a lot, Mary. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 10:57:53 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA05192; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:57:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 11:04:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221504.AA18521@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1030; Wed, 22 Jun 94 11:03:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3626; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:03:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6258; Wed, 22 Jun 94 08:03:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5636; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 08:03:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:02:20 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: K Subject: Re: Tendonitis - Treatment X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am looking for the opinion of people who have used acupuncture for the treatment of tendonitis. I have been in and out of a splint for the past six months. I rec'd a coritzone shot about 3 months ago. This was fine for about 2 months and then the pain started to return. I am now in the process of going for 12 ultra sound treatments. I have completed 6 of the 12 treatments and it does not seem to help yet. The last resort according to the doctor would be surgery. He also stated that this will not really help because as soon as I return to work, the tendonitis will return. I was diagnosed with DeQue. Tendonitis in my left thumb from the stretching motion striking the space bar. I know that people have talked about acupuncture in the past. I am curious about the result that were achieved. Any comments will be welcomed to aid in my next decision. Thanks, Karen Hathaway Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, Ma. khathaway@fred.bsc.mass.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 12:05:33 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA05356; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:05:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:11:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221611.AA19673@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1801; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:11:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5819; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:11:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1578; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:11:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3298; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:11:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:11:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Mouse Shadow by Shadowtech International Inc. X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406221334.AA11292@world.std.com> On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, Kenneth S. Wright wrote: > the mouse called the Mouse Shadow. It moves with the mouse to provide wrist/ar > m support as compared to dragging the arm against a stationary wristrest. Scott, there are several of these. One is "Mouse Paw" from Marty's Computer Workshop in cambridge Mass. This velcroes onto the "butt" of the mouse, is fairly stiff, has a teflon ccoat on the bottom. it's squarish and about the size of a floppy disk. marty employs disabled workers, by the way (blind people, etc). Another is available from Alimed in Massachusetts: it also velcroses onto the mouse but is much arger, about the size of a ping pong paddle with a chunk missing. The idea here is that you rest your entire hand on this. it does require a fair amount of "mousing room". It comes in left and rightie and 3 sizes. The top is coated with a soft plastic. The unit itelf is a slippery plastic ("delrin?"). I've tried this and I really ike it. naturally I can't locate their phone number but they are in Norwood or Natick Massachusetts - I think. Try 800-555-1212 an see if there's a listing. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 12:12:04 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA05416; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:12:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:18:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221618.AA19822@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1858; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:18:07 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5999; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:18:07 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2132; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:18:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3830; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:18:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:17:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406221449.AA00221@world.std.com> << amitryptyline (Elavil) >> A hand surgeon had me on this. It made me MORE depressed. Hated it. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 12:14:18 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA05429; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:14:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:20:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221620.AA19865@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1881; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:20:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6056; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:20:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2290; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:20:13 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4102; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:20:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:18:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Tendonitis - Treatment X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406221510.AA11154@world.std.com> Karen, seek out mouse and keyboard alternatives. make sure your worksation is propoerly set up. otherwise no amount of cortison will help. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 12:28:17 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA05485; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:28:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:34:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221634.AA20173@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2072; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:34:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6518; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:32:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3193; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:32:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4996; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:32:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:32:23 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Priscilla Berry Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND pb> pb> << pb> amitryptyline (Elavil) pb> >> pb> pb> A hand surgeon had me on this. It made me MORE depressed. Hated it. pb> pb> --- COD pb> My doctor also tried putting me on this to improve sleep. It seemed to have the opposite effect. I would wake up at 4:00 in the morning with a jolt and swear it was 8:00. I then had trouble getting back to sleep. Has anyone else had this experience? Priscilla From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 12:29:15 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA05490; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:29:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:35:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221635.AA20201@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2116; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:35:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6626; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:35:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3327; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:35:11 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5089; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:35:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:33:46 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Sasha WoodContractor Subject: Re: Mouse Shadow by Shadowtech International Inc. X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND The number for Alimed is (617)329-2900. They have mail-order catalog with lots of medical (I think) supplies in it. I have a soft splint from them. I have a Mouse Paw and I like it quite a bit. It cost me $6 from the MIT Computer Connection (if you called MIT's main number 617/253-1000, they would know the number). One mildly annoying thing is that the teflon tends to scrape off on my mouse pad (I have an optical mouse) so I need to clean the pad occasionally (like every two months or so). The Mouse Paw pad is made of some kind of foam rubber with what looks like a neoprene coating. Sasha Wood swood@chipcom.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 12:44:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA05538; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:44:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:50:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221650.AA20444@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2338; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:49:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7196; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:49:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4576; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:49:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6209; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:50:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:49:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Michael Wiesenberg Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND You can't either laud or deprecate a drug based on the anecdotal evidence of one user. To counter the enclosed, my brother-in-law has been on Elavil for 15 years, and has been able to live his life in relative comfort (that is, without constant ups and downs, fits of depression) because of it. But it's not meant for pain; it's for depression. q >From <@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jun 22 09:43:23 1994 >Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (cmsa.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.4]) by verity.c om (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id JAA22603 for ; Wed, 22 J un 1994 09:43:17 -0700 >Message-Id: <199406221643.JAA22603@verity.com> >Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) > with BSMTP id 0242; Wed, 22 Jun 94 09:19:24 PDT >Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by > CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3830; Wed, > 22 Jun 1994 09:18:09 -0700 >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:17:22 -0400 >Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." >Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU> >From: "Craig O'Donnell" >Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain >X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, > Tendonitis etc.." >To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >In-Reply-To: <199406221449.AA00221@world.std.com> >Status: R > ><< >amitryptyline (Elavil) >>> > >A hand surgeon had me on this. It made me MORE depressed. Hated it. > > --- COD > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 13:18:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA05650; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:17:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 13:24:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221724.AA20987@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2663; Wed, 22 Jun 94 13:24:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8136; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:24:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6959; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:24:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8403; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:24:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:24:35 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Brantley Kelly Subject: Re: Alternate pointing device needed for X-terminal X-To: UCSFVM.BITNET!SOREHAND@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406212039.AA25789@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>; from "Jim Firestone" at Jun 21, 94 4:39 pm Jim Firestone, NASA wrote: >I would like a drag-lock feature similar > to what PC/Macintosh trackballs use. I also believe the double-clicks are > hurting me, so maybe something like a foot pedal would be helpful if it > is available. I do a lot of user interface development and use software like > drawing packages, Mosaic for World Wide Web access, etc. so my mouse use is > fairly intensive. > Jim, If you can get a PC with Windows, and a X-term emulator (check with Persoft - they have a lot of emulators), you can use IN CUBE Voice Command to handle the drag and drop, and double clicks with voice commands. You might also be able to find a Sun SPARCstation - again IN CUBE will do the job. Command Corp. has specifically included the mouse click features into all of our products, for users who find it painful to push mouse buttons. Good Luck - Brantley/Command Corp. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 13:41:33 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA05694; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:41:30 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 13:47:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221747.AA21387@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2887; Wed, 22 Jun 94 13:47:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8754; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:47:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8640; Wed, 22 Jun 94 10:47:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9978; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:47:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:47:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: k_hertzler@ACAD.FANDM.EDU Subject: Questions on Diagnosis X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@VM.TEMPLE.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Sorehanders: I've had hand, wrist, arm and shoulder pain for over a year, saw an Ortho Surg. about a year ago who gave the dubious diagnoses "overuse syndrome". Tried advil and phys. therapy with no noticeable difference. I let it go for six months, then a couple of months ago went to an Osteopath after so many people on the list recommended it. (I type 2-3 hours/day with lots of breaks, do stretching exercises, I've revamped my work area, gotten a trackball and am in the process of getting a new chair. Lately I've been having hand pain just from writing, not in my fingers but in my palm.) I wrote about a month ago after seeing the Osteopath who wanted me in a splint and taking advil, as well as an x-ray. I declined all three; at that point I was pregnant, and a splint had never helped before. After a miscarriage, I went back to the same practise, different doctor because the one I saw was on maternity leave, who instead of ordering just an x-ray, ordered a bone scan as well. Two weeks ago I had the x-ray and scan. The x-ray showed a bony growth (which I can see) on the top of my hand, that I have had for 15 years. It's not a ganglion, and the OD suggested I have the Ortho "shave" it off, even though he said he wasn't sure if it was really a problem. The bone scan was more interesting as well as depressing. The OD has diagnosed Degenerative Bone Disease, and referred me back to my "old" Ortho for treatment. (I have to wait a month for an appointment.) I'm terrified that Workers Comp is going to give me trouble, although the OD said that he's putting in his report that my injury is due to my job. (All this, and here I am trying to get pregnant again.) The OD hinted around that this would never go away and that I should probably "stop doing what I'm doing". My questions: Has anyone out there been diagnosed similarly, and if so, where did you go from there? What was your treatment? Did you get better? Does something like this mean I'll be forced to quit by Workers Comp or accept a disability? Can such a thing happen? I'm totally in the dark here, and know nothing about becoming "disabled" in the Workers Comp sense. I would be appreciative of any comments. Kathy Kathryn M. Hertzler Institutional Research Franklin & Marshall College P. O. Box 3003 Lancaster, PA 17604-3003 Internet: k_hertzler@fandm.edu Phone: (717) 291-3978 Fax : (717) 291-4183 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 15:06:14 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA06052; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:06:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 15:12:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406221912.AA22905@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3779; Wed, 22 Jun 94 15:12:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1119; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:12:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3525; Wed, 22 Jun 94 12:12:15 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5350; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:12:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:00:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Tendonitis - Treatment To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Karen, I asked about acupuncture when I first joined the list, and the replies ranged from very negative to moderately positive. I asked because all the treatment I've ever gotten for tendonitis was, "Ease off, use ice when it flares up, try these exercises, and have some Advil." Unfortunately, it seems like rest is about the only cure, unsatisfactory as that is. You also have to change the conditions that brought on the tendonitis or it will just come back, as you've discovered. I am interested in this cortisone thing, though. When is it called for? Are there side effects? How expensive is it? Does it work, presuming you change the work conditions? I'm losing patience with resting, myself. Any war stories of cortisone treatment are welcome, either privately or on the list. Karen W. kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 19:15:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA06939; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:15:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 19:22:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9406222322.AA27343@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6014; Wed, 22 Jun 94 19:21:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7256; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:21:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7488; Wed, 22 Jun 94 16:21:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8626; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:21:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 14:09:36 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Standing Up X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A point of information. The risk of RSI is increased by the fact of sitting for long periods of time. For all the benefits of the best "ergonomic" workstation in the world, if we sit in a fixed posture for long stretches as a regular pattern in our work habits, we are upping the odds for problems. The disks between our vertebrae which cushion the movement of our spine have no arteries, etc. to supply the nutrients they need to maintain integrity. The disks get the nutrients they need from the hydraulic pressures which result from the movement of the spine. In other words, we need to move. Leaning forward from time to time is actually a good thing. Leaning forward as a pattern in your work, hours every day, will ruin your neck and back. Disk pressure has been measurably found to be greater when sitting than standing. Standing up relieves some pressure on the spine, and moving around feeds the disks the nutrients they need. So understand that although you may type intermittently, if you sit in only a couple of postures most of the day without getting up much, you are still at risk. And understand that when you see the so-called ergonomic sitting diagram, it is not about a fixed posture you should establish every moment you are at the computer. It is more about the principle of comfortably supporting your body weight - particularly the head - while you compute, and having an average position you spend most of your time in that minimizes overworking muscles and strain to the back. What does that have to do with the hands and arms?, you may ask. Moving around helps promote circulation in the entire body. Your arms need lots of blood flow to keep up with all of the contractions we demand of our muscles when we compute, and to flush out all of the metabolic wastes produced as a result. My position is that a computer user should do everything possible to promote circulation to minimize risk. If your back starts to give out, your shoulders and neck will get tight, and now we are in the territory of "Thoracic Outlet Sydrome," squeezing on the nerves and arteries going into the arm at the neck and shoulder. So move around, friends. Get out of that chair. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 19:53:58 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA07200; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 20:00:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406230000.AA27938@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6211; Wed, 22 Jun 94 19:59:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7741; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:59:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9199; Wed, 22 Jun 94 17:00:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2191; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 17:00:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:58:15 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Seeking a voice recognition system X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND G Martin writes: >I'd like to find one that works with both OS/2 and Windows operating >systems. Also, one that I could program to do COBOL 2, Oracle, etc. >commands (programming languages) would be helpful. The ability to jump >from window to window, click and drag, etc., without using a mouse would >be nice. The IBM Personal Dication System will do what you want to do, according to the product info I had. I can't find it now, but if you call the IBM number in your local white pages (esp. the 800 number) and mention the product, they will be happy to transfer you to the right place. Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Human Factors, Usability, Ergonomics, User Interface Design. Whatever you call it, if your product needs more of it, call me! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 22 20:39:21 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA07377; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 20:39:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Jun 94 20:45:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406230045.AA28515@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6464; Wed, 22 Jun 94 20:45:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8451; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 20:45:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1822; Wed, 22 Jun 94 17:43:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2196; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 17:43:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:09:29 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Mark A. DeLoura" Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Priscilla Berry said: >> >> << >> amitryptyline (Elavil) >> >> >> >> A hand surgeon had me on this. It made me MORE depressed. Hated it. >> >> --- COD >> > > My doctor also tried putting me on this to improve sleep. It seemed to have > the opposite effect. I would wake up at 4:00 in the morning with a jolt and > swear it was 8:00. I then had trouble getting back to sleep. Has anyone > else had this experience? I also had this effect while on amitryptyline-- it seemed to jolt me awake 8 hours after I took the medication (30mg for chronic headaches.) If I took it too late in the evening, it made me incredibly drowsy the next morning. Amitryp also had the strange side effect of giving me incredibly wacky dreams each night. All in all, a very strange drug-- and my symptoms of tendonitis began while I was on it, so I would NOT recommend it. I'm on nortryptiline now, and it seems to have all of the good effect of ami re: pain, without much of the sleeping/dreaming trouble. Again, though, the small dose I'm on doesn't seem to effect my tendonitis at all. ---Mark ============================================================================== Mark A. DeLoura sci.virtual-worlds.apps co-mod Loral ADS, Bellevue WA Work: mdeloura@bvu-lads.loral.com Real-Time Systems Engineer Home: madsax@netcom.com Sax player, Graphics hacker, Runner From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 06:29:09 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id GAA09387; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 06:29:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 06:35:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231035.AA03093@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8226; Thu, 23 Jun 94 01:39:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2640; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 01:39:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2310; Wed, 22 Jun 94 22:39:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7849; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 22:39:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 00:12:00 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: John Naples Subject: Re: Food & vitamins To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >> >> The elimination of "nightshade vegetables" is recommended for people with >> fibromyalgia/various arthritic conditions and muscle pain. This family of >> veggies consists of potatoes, tomataes, broccoli, eggplant, peppers, and >> other cruciferous vegetables (can't think of all of them offhand right now). >> The nightshade (or solanum) family is not the same as the cruciferous family. Broccoli is not a nightshade, the others are. The crucifers include broccoli, cabbage, kohlrabi, brussel sprouts, cauliflower and kale. >Does anyone know why you should eliminate nightshades? I know the leaves >are poison - why the fruit? > You should only eliminate them if you are sensitive to them. If you have arthritis, try eliminating them from your diet to see if it helps. In this context the problem is allergies, not poisoning. =-=-= John Naples BITnet: A01JRN1@NIU Computer Center Internet: JNAPLES@NIU.EDU Northern Illinois University phone: (815)753-9444 DeKalb, IL 60115 fax: (815)753-9252 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 06:29:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id GAA09392; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 06:29:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 06:35:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231035.AA03100@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8230; Thu, 23 Jun 94 01:40:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2649; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 01:40:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2369; Wed, 22 Jun 94 22:40:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7897; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 22:40:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 01:27:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Cortisone X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406221912.AA19303@world.std.com> karen, a back issue of the RSI Newsletter mentioned something caled iontophoresis, which delivers cortisone through a tiny electrical current instead of shots. From what I hear the injections are very painful and the relief does not always last; and many people shy away from steriods. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 06:30:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id GAA09397; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 06:29:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 06:35:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231035.AA03116@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8236; Thu, 23 Jun 94 01:42:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2669; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 01:42:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2476; Wed, 22 Jun 94 22:42:40 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7966; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 22:42:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 01:41:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406230102.AA21361@world.std.com> << Amitryp also had the strange side effect of giving me incredibly wacky dreams each night. >> Yes. I remember this well (not only did it make me more depressed, it made me insomniac). From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 07:34:43 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id HAA09467; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 07:34:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 07:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231140.AA04476@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9539; Thu, 23 Jun 94 07:40:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6018; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 07:40:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0043; Thu, 23 Jun 94 04:40:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6445; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 04:40:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 08:39:52 ADT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jaye Organization: Acadia University Subject: cheap voice recognition? X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi everybody, Are there any cheap, small voice recognition systems? I would like to be able to use it for keys like enter, Fkeys, page up, end, etc. while looking at e-mail. I think even this much would be of great help, as much of my job involves checking and reading lists. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jaye Fraser Acadia University Library Library Systems Consultant Wolfville, NS jfraser@admin.acadiau.ca (902) 542-2201 ext. 1602 Cahn's Axiom: "When all else fails, read the instructions!" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 10:13:42 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA09801; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:13:40 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 10:19:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231419.AA06461@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1005; Thu, 23 Jun 94 10:19:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0083; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:19:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9540; Thu, 23 Jun 94 07:19:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8035; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 07:19:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:18:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Scott T. Lary" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tendonitis - Treatment X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Karen: So far so good. Austin,TX has an acupuncture school where instructors use patients as demos. The price is $20 rather than the usually $42. After 1 treatment strength increased in the hands. Three days later the second treatment continued working on the same areas. The third treatment a week later found the condition much improved. In fact, my hands that have always been characterised as cold (cold hands -warm heart) seemed to have heated up to the point where they are no longer cold hands. (amazing). Best wishes--slary@tahc.texas.gov From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 10:47:49 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA09907; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:47:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 10:53:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231453.AA06902@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1388; Thu, 23 Jun 94 10:53:35 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1212; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:53:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1943; Thu, 23 Jun 94 07:53:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0526; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 07:53:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:51:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: cheap voice recognition? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406231141.AA04849@world.std.com> On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, Jaye wrote: > Are there any cheap, small voice recognition systems? I would For what computer? On the Mac it's a 660AV (buy one fast) with PlainTalk or a PowerMac/AV. In3 (In-Cube) from Command Systems seems to be the low end product of choice for the PC. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 11:04:45 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA09950; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:04:43 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:11:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231511.AA07185@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1592; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:10:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1726; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:10:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3414; Thu, 23 Jun 94 08:10:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3798; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 08:10:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:08:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: List Owner X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've gotten some mail about fixing people's SSREHAND adresses. Remember that I'm the RSI Network Newsletter and Dick Karpinski is the SREHAND guy. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 11:17:23 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA10023; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:17:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:23:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231523.AA07356@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1748; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:23:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2119; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:23:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4260; Thu, 23 Jun 94 08:23:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5494; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 08:23:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:20:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Cortisone X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406230540.AA20704@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, Craig O'Donnell wrote: > From what I hear the injections are very painful and the relief does not > always last; and many people shy away from steriods. > > --- COD > I had one experience with an injection into my shoulder when I was experiencing intense pain due to irritation and swelling in the joint capsule. I had immediate relief of the pain and swelling which allowed my body to heal the problem. It worked wonders for me. However there are, as Craig indicates, reasons to stay away from Steroids, this is especially true of multiple injections as they tend to weaken tissue which takes a while to return to normal. If you do multiple injections without sufficient healing time between them, problems can be severe. No, I can't quantify sufficient healing time. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 11:28:24 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA10069; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:28:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:34:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231534.AA07531@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1854; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:34:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2417; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:34:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4966; Thu, 23 Jun 94 08:34:13 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6095; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 08:34:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:31:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Gottesman Subject: Re: Mouse Shadow by Shadowtech International Inc. X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406221332.AA01289@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, Kenneth S. Wright wrote: > It moves with the mouse to provide wrist/arm support as compared to > dragging the arm against a stationary wristrest. Apparently it is made by > Shadowtech International Inc. Does any one know how to contact this > company or a source to look at/buy this device??? I know of another such device that i like and use. Mouse Paw A device that attaches to the mouse and supports the heal of your hand, allowing you to relax your arm while keeping your wrist in a neutral posture. The device is approximately 3 x 4 inches and 3/4 inch thick. It has a cloth surface on top and a slippery surface on the bottom allowing it to slide smoothly over the mouse pad, staying with your hand and the mouse as you work. It is available from: Marty's Computer Workshop PO Box 550 Cambridge MA 02142 617-491-6935 800-927-3504 Burgundy, Royal Blue, Platinum Grey 1-5 $12.95 ea 6-10 $9.71 ea From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 11:36:39 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA10100; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:36:36 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:42:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231542.AA07688@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1961; Thu, 23 Jun 94 11:42:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2720; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:42:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5613; Thu, 23 Jun 94 08:42:31 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6591; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 08:42:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:46:46 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nick Parker Subject: Re: Standing Up X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406230732.AA00603@nick.b29.ingr.com>; from "Automatic digest processor" at Jun 23, 94 12:25 am Gary L. Karp wrote: > The risk of RSI is increased by the fact of sitting for long periods of time. > For all the benefits of the best "ergonomic" workstation in the world, if we > sit in a fixed posture for long stretches as a regular pattern in our work > habits, we are upping the odds for problems. > > ...In other words, we need to move....Standing up relieves some pressure > on the spine, and moving around feeds the disks the nutrients they need... What Gary mentioned above is the rationale behind the design of our Interact workstation, and our Ergostand. They have motorized adjustments, and allow you to work in a sitting or standing position. The angle of the display, and the angle of the worksurface is also easily adjustable. With a good chair and an Ergostand, it's amazing the number of postures you can assume. You can go from a (sitting) "laid back" reclining posture, to a standing posture, and everywhere in between. It only takes seconds to go between postures. Our goal was to make the adjustments quick and easy, so they would get used. The adjustability also makes it easy to adjust the workstation to fit small or large people. I hope this doesn't sound like a blatant plug, which it's not. Gary's comments just reminded me of how we have faced this issue, and taken it into account when designing hardware. The original model of the Interact came out about 10 years ago. | Nick Parker Email nsparker@ingr.com | | Mgr Design & Ergonomics Voice 205-730-6208 | | Intergraph Corporation Fax 205-730-6239 | From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 11:58:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA10140; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:58:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:03:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231603.AA08001@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2236; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:03:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3506; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:03:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7153; Thu, 23 Jun 94 09:03:44 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7916; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:03:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:01:24 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Clark Alexander Subject: Re: alternate drugs X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Mary asked if anyone had experiences with certain drugs one of which is amitryptyline (elavil). It has been my experience that Elavil is for patients who are depressed (especially suicidally). A Doctor once prescribed it to me for migrane prevention and my regular physician was agast saying long term use can set up irregular heartbeat patterns and other complications. As one reader reported he had wierd dreams with it. That has been my experience also. Everything I have read on the drug since then has convinced me of two things 1) I'm better off with different drugs for migranes (Inderal and Cafergot)and (2) Amitryptyline is a drug that most people want to stay well away from. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 12:02:08 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA10168; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:02:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:08:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231608.AA08051@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2275; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:07:58 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3610; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:07:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7455; Thu, 23 Jun 94 09:07:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8161; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:07:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:04:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Julie Unger McCullough Subject: Re: Cortisone To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406230543.AA19040@pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu> I had iontapheresis once, found it very odd, felt like I had each hand subjected to pin pricks for 10 meants. I was quite relieved when the MD recommended phonopheresis instead, which applies cortisone through ultrasound. I like the massage and the ultrasound alone, and felt "cheated" with the iontapheresis. However, I'm now wondering if the phonopheresis is causing problems. Julie On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, Craig O'Donnell wrote: > karen, > > a back issue of the RSI Newsletter mentioned something caled > iontophoresis, which delivers cortisone through a tiny electrical current > instead of shots. > > >From what I hear the injections are very painful and the relief does not > always last; and many people shy away from steriods. > > --- COD > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 12:05:09 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA10173; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:05:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:10:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231610.AA08082@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2304; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:10:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3696; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:10:31 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7633; Thu, 23 Jun 94 09:10:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8362; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:10:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 11:51:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Julie Unger McCullough Subject: Strange Experience To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I had a very odd experience yesterday and wondered if anyone else has ever had anything similar. I was getting a massage, and when the massage therapist (student) put a regular cotton/terrycloth towel on my shoulders, neck, and upper chest, I felt like I had pin-cushions sticking into me wherever it touched my skin. The therapist is a friend, and I've had numerous massages from her, including one two days earlier. I've never had anything like that happen before, in a massage or otherwise. I have had some kind of RSI tendonitis in both hands for the last three months. It has seemed like the primary problem is De Quervains or something like that, but I have had indications of more generalized tendonitis in other parts of the hands as well. I have been getting PT, including ultrasound and several sessions of phonopheresis (ultrasound used to apply hydrocortisone ointment topically). I have also been doing hand exercises specified by the P.T.. Up until this past weekend, my problems seemed to be very slowly getting better. Then, for no reason that I can identify, my hands were much less agile, like they had been at their worst about 6 weeks ago. My left palm felt like it would if I had fallen and scraped it. Tuesday night I was sitting in a meeting, and my forearms and one hand felt like they were on fire, just burning. By the time I got home, I felt like my left hand was asleep, with pins and needles or tingling. I woke up with the same sensations. I had the massage later that afternoon, and neither the therapist nor I knew what to make of my reaction. Prior to this week, I have not had tingling or numbness to make me suspect any nerve problems. I was wondering if the causes might be a) the heat and humidity causing new inflammation; b) the ultrasound-I've been getting it for nearly 2 months, 2-3 times/wk.; or c) the cortisone. Let me know if anyone else has had this type of reaction! From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 12:10:19 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA10184; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:10:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:16:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231616.AA08292@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2376; Thu, 23 Jun 94 12:16:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3909; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:16:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8264; Thu, 23 Jun 94 09:16:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9019; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:16:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:17:52 PDT Reply-To: sbill@informix.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Bill Stackhouse Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND There has been some discussion regarding Elavil. The drug has 2 uses: in highter doses as an anti-depressant and in low doses for some pain as found in nerve related problems. The effect on the person seems to vary quite a bit and some will not tolerate it at all. You have to make that decission and let your doctor know. Just because is it prescribed does not mean that you have to take it. There are many other drugs that will attack the problem that may not have the same side effects for you. With Elavil, you have to let it build up and you need to be very regular about taking it. It sounds like you should not take it for more than 4 - 6 weeks if you are taking it for pain. If after that time the problem has not changed, Elavial is the wrong treatment for the problem. Not a doctor, just have been through this with myself and others. You might try reading the Pill Book to find out about the drugs you are taking. Bill From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 13:09:50 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA10355; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 13:09:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 13:16:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9406231716.AA09110@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2987; Thu, 23 Jun 94 13:15:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5742; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 13:15:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2850; Thu, 23 Jun 94 10:15:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8480; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 10:15:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 13:14:09 EDT Reply-To: benatip@acadia.image.Kodak.COM Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Paul Benati Subject: Re: Strange Experience To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Julie, I had a similar experience. For approximately 1 mo. I had *both* phonopheresis and iontapheresis. At first the applications seemed to help, but finally I stopped receiving the treatments since my porblems appeared to be getting worst. During this time of treatment I was working (software engineer), so I'm not sure if the treatments were a failure or if I didn't give them a real chance. Ciao, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- Paul J. Benati Eastman Kodak Company benatip@kodak.com (716) 722 - 2345 Work (716) 477 - 0127 Fax ---------------------------------------------------------- From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 16:26:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00391; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:26:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 16:30:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9406232030.AA12039@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5089; Thu, 23 Jun 94 16:30:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1479; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:30:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6753; Thu, 23 Jun 94 13:29:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5109; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 13:29:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:25:18 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Myotherapy X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ...otherwise known as Myofascial Pain Syndrome. I am going through a series of treatments with a chiropractor who is an avid believer in the myofascial view of RSI. He testifies to some degree of success, usually cutting pain at least in half, and a few cases of recovery. He also has seen some people not respond, and usually has observed a generally tight condition of muscles in those cases. The theory, as he describes it for me, is that some RSIs are not "tendonitis" or "carpal tunnel syndrome" but actually involved with the muscle. I also figured the muscle was not the issue with RSI, since there is so much circulation that a muscle can easily heal. Now I am reconsidering that view. In the presence of static, continuous contractions - like the forearm extensor muscle holding up the hand during extended periods of typing - the body loses the ability to effectively maintain the contraction. This is because static contractions nearly stop the blood flow to that muscle, so whtever "fuel" is available gets used up, and the waste products - lactic acid, etc. - are not flushed out, interefering with contraction even more. Now the body, in its remarkably adaptive way, tries to figure out how to continue doing what is being demanded of it. Since it can't contract muscle fibers to hold the hand up (no fuel, wastes in the way) it says, "I'll put fibrous tissues in that muscle! That'll do the job!" The formation of this non-contracting, fibrous tissue then aggravates "trigger points" which can create pain in other locations - "referred pain." So the idea of the treatment is to break down this tissue through pressure on the trigger points and stretching, so the body can reheal itself with proper contracting fibers. (A concept that I understand to be generally true of bodily tissues, that they need to be guided during the healing to form fresh tissue "with the grain." Scar tissue often forms in a crosshatched fashion, leaving a tighter muscle than the "original equipment.") My experience with the myofascial approach was a severe increase in symptoms after early treatments, and since I have been much more pain-free and able to handle more activity. After three years of thinking I have tendonitis (tenosynovitis, thoracic outlet syndrome) I am now questioning that. It seems to make sense that symptoms would increase at first, and now I am experiencing improvement. I'm not recovered, after having essentially given up hope of full recovery, but this is the most promising experience I've had in a long time, after ultrasound, cortisone, NSAIDs, ice, contrast baths, acupuncture, chinese herbs, cleansing fasts, Feldenkrais, Alexander, biofeedback, hypnotherapy, abstinence (from hand-related activities, that is), TENS, iontoferisis, and probably more. I will report again later. Still, I am getting the feeling more and more that what many doctors are calling tendonitis or carpal tunnel syndrome may often be something else. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 17:14:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA00568; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:14:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 17:18:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9406232118.AA12771@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5622; Thu, 23 Jun 94 17:18:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2972; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:18:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0359; Thu, 23 Jun 94 14:18:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9440; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 14:17:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:14:00 GMT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Marutiak Subject: myotherapists in LA area X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I tried to respond directly to Lynn with this one, but got an answer from someone that it was misdirected. Please excuse this post, unless you are also in LA and need a myotherapist... dave marutiak > Lynn - > I got a list of myotherapists the other day, and the ones near you > (in terms of the entire LA area, that is) are Diane Carroll, Myo and Fitness > of Cal, Long Beach 310-430-3457, Lori Drummond, So Coast Myo, Laguna Beach, > 714-497-4243, and Debbie Grace in Santa Maria (pretty far up the coast > I suspect). Let me know if you go and if it works for you, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dave Marutiak AT&T Bell Laboratories (510) 815 - 8095 (vf) > D(ude)MTS 2300 Camino Ramon m34djm@pc035b.att.com > San Ramon, CA 94583 (510) 815 - 8163 (fax) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Life is a tragedy for those who feel, and a comedy for those who think" > - Horace Walpole - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 17:45:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA00812; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:45:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 17:49:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406232149.AA13314@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5948; Thu, 23 Jun 94 17:49:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3863; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:49:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2234; Thu, 23 Jun 94 14:49:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0852; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 14:49:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 14:48:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jim Allmon Subject: Good Doctors in SF Bay Area? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Can anybody recommend any "Good" RSI doctors in the SF Bay area? --Jim From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 17:58:55 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA00836; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:58:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 18:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406232203.AA13571@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6044; Thu, 23 Jun 94 18:02:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4139; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 18:02:47 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2928; Thu, 23 Jun 94 15:02:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1406; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:02:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:01:52 +0800 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dennis Montgomery Subject: Re: Good Doctors in SF Bay Area? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >Can anybody recommend any "Good" RSI doctors >in the SF Bay area? Try Dr Bruce Flagg (Osteopath (415) 851-0931) in Portola Valley. He's very knowledgable on RSI and non-surgical ways to recovery. Dennis From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 19:12:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA01061; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 19:12:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 19:17:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9406232317.AA14642@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6573; Thu, 23 Jun 94 19:16:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5747; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 19:16:49 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6769; Thu, 23 Jun 94 16:16:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4795; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:16:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 19:15:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Good Doctors in SF Bay Area? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406232150.AA27848@world.std.com> Jim, there are quite a few. Check back issues of the RSI Network Newsletter (gopher or ftp to world.std.com). On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, Jim Allmon wrote: > Can anybody recommend any "Good" RSI doctors > in the SF Bay area? > > --Jim > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 23 23:42:02 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA01850; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:41:55 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Jun 94 23:46:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406240346.AA17308@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7966; Thu, 23 Jun 94 23:45:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9832; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:45:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7548; Thu, 23 Jun 94 20:45:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8861; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 20:45:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:41:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carolyn Carleton Subject: Cambridge, MA: RSI Action, First Meeting X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406232207.AA117864@acs.bu.edu> Hi folks, I have been mostly lurking on sorehand since it hurts me to type. I am posting this notice for the Office Technology Education Project. They have given me some help, and so I am happy to pass this info. on. OTEP is sponsoring the first meeting of RSI Action. We hope you will join with injured workers and RSI activists on Tuesday, June 28, 1994 to set the wheels in motion. What will we talk about? We will discuss the vision behind RSI Action and your ideas of how together we can have an impact on the repetitive strain injury epidemic. The meeting is at the Cambridge Library in Central Square, Cambridge, MA, USA. From 6:30PM-7:PM there will be time to meet each other, share stories, and information on an informal basis. We encourage you to bring food to share. Light snacks and beverages will be provided by OTEP. The meeting will formally begin at 7:00PM and will end by 9:00PM. If you have any questions about this meeting or RSI Action in general, call: Hilary Marcus RSI Action Coordinator (617) 776-2777 Office Technology Education Project 1 Summer Street Somerville, MA., USA 02143 PS. If you saw this on the internet, please mention it when you call or write OTEP. Thanks Carolyn From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 09:31:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA03858; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:31:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 08:29:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241229.AA23285@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9709; Fri, 24 Jun 94 08:29:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5031; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:29:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0651; Fri, 24 Jun 94 05:29:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7256; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 05:29:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:26:02 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jaye Organization: Acadia University Subject: Re: Strange Experience To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > sensations. I had the massage later that afternoon, and neither the > therapist nor I knew what to make of my reaction. Prior to this week, I > have not had tingling or numbness to make me suspect any nerve problems. I've had a massage on my neck that "seemed" to cause increased pain and numbness from my elbow down. It took more than 3 weeks to return to my "normal" state. The numbness in my hand started as a buzzing, burning sensation the same afternoon until it became an almost constant pins and needles numbness -- I don't let anybody near my neck now! Course I was still working then too - and trying to do exercises - and trying to do housework - and trying to act "normally". %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jaye Fraser Acadia University Library Library Systems Consultant Wolfville, NS jfraser@admin.acadiau.ca (902) 542-2201 ext. 1602 Cahn's Axiom: "When all else fails, read the instructions!" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 09:32:19 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA03863; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:32:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 09:01:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241301.AA23554@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9916; Fri, 24 Jun 94 09:01:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5673; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:01:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2251; Fri, 24 Jun 94 06:01:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8967; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 06:01:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 05:58:50 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 From: "Kenneth S. Wright" <6732630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> Subject: Wrist Splints for Prevention of RSI X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND PROFS Nickname: KSWRIGHT I am seeing more wrist splints/support products available to the general public being described as a preventative measure for RSIs. I have been under the impression that they should not be used for that purpose, but only under medical recommendation, etc. I'm looking for reasons why to use, or not to use them for preventative purposes. Thanks Scott KSW From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 10:07:24 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA03958; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:07:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 10:11:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241411.AA24357@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0535; Fri, 24 Jun 94 10:11:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7475; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:11:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6223; Fri, 24 Jun 94 07:11:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4461; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 07:11:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:09:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "James, Stephen P." Subject: cheap voice recognition X-To: SOREHAND Discussion List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've been using Voice Blaster for the last four month; it's available for $60-70 at Egghead, plus you need to buy a sound card. And it works OK, although it's far from perfect. IN3 at $400 (you need a sound card for it too) would be what I'd go with were I to do it over again. It does mouse clicks which Voice Blaster doesn't, plus I use it all the time and I suspect IN3 would make fewer mistakes. But depending on your definition of CHEAP , Voice Blaster is an alternative you may want to consider. Steve James spj1@cipcod1.em.cdc.gov From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 13:27:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA04561; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:27:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:31:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241731.AA27539@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2794; Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:31:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3645; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:31:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0195; Fri, 24 Jun 94 10:31:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5923; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:31:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:28:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Cambridge, MA: RSI Action, First Meeting (fwd) X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:51:47 -0400 From: Carolyn Carleton To: Multiple recipients of list RSI-EAST Subject: Cambridge, MA: RSI Action, First Meeting (fwd) Hi folks, I have been suscribed to RSI-East for awhile. I'm not sure how many local people are reading it. I am posting this notice for the Office Technology Education Project. They have given me some help, and so I am happy to pass this info. on. OTEP is sponsoring the first meeting of RSI Action. We hope you will join with injured workers and RSI activists on Tuesday, June 28, 1994 to set the wheels in motion. What will we talk about? We will discuss the vision behind RSI Action and your ideas of how together we can have an impact on the repetitive strain injury epidemic. The meeting is at the Cambridge Library in Central Square, Cambridge, MA, USA. From 6:30PM-7:PM there will be time to meet each other, share stories, and information on an informal basis. We encourage you to bring food to share. Light snacks and beverages will be provided by OTEP. The meeting will formally begin at 7:00PM and will end by 9:00PM. If you have any questions about this meeting or RSI Action in general, call: Hilary Marcus RSI Action Coordinator (617) 776-2777 Office Technology Education Project 1 Summer Street Somerville, MA., USA 02143 PS. If you saw this on the internet, please mention it when you call or write OTEP. Thanks Carolyn From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 14:30:36 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA04737; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:30:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:48:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241748.AA28189@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2961; Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:48:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4053; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:48:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1298; Fri, 24 Jun 94 10:48:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6850; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:48:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:46:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: RSI Reform at OSHA (fwd) X-To: caroline rose X-Cc: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Just a tiny tidbit. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 06:54:24 -0700 From: Anne Wayman btw, I've recently added a foot rest and my shoulders no longer hurt -- amazed me frankly. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 14:45:21 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA04823; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:45:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 14:49:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241849.AA00143@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3549; Fri, 24 Jun 94 14:49:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5604; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:49:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5051; Fri, 24 Jun 94 11:49:25 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9971; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 11:49:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 11:46:37 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 From: "Kenneth S. Wright" <6732630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> Subject: Wrist Supports as RSI Prevention X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND *** Resending note of 06/24/94 07:43 PROFS Nickname: KSWRIGHT I am seeing more wrist splints/support products available to the general public being described as a preventative measure for RSIs. I have been under the impression that they should not be used for that purpose, but only under medical recommendation, etc. I'm looking for reasons why to use, or not to use them for preventative purposes. Thanks Scott From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 15:12:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA05020; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 15:17:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241917.AA00639@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3825; Fri, 24 Jun 94 15:16:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6345; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:16:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6803; Fri, 24 Jun 94 12:16:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1349; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:16:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:12:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gladys Carkeek Subject: Re: Wrist Supports as RSI Prevention X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406241849.AA03400@mx2.u.washington.edu> Well, your muscle tone goes when you use splints - your wrist is not supporting itself anymore. Plus the skin can get really sensitive if you overuse splints - I have a pal who can not bear to be touched on her hand or arm because she has had to use the splint for so long... Hilary Carkeek On Fri, 24 Jun 1994, Kenneth S. Wright wrote: > *** Resending note of 06/24/94 07:43 > PROFS Nickname: KSWRIGHT > I am seeing more wrist splints/support products available to the general > public being described as a preventative measure for RSIs. I have been > under the impression that they should not be used for that purpose, but > only under medical recommendation, etc. I'm looking for reasons why to > use, or not to use them for preventative purposes. > > Thanks > > Scott > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 15:19:15 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA05089; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:19:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 15:23:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9406241923.AA00767@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3875; Fri, 24 Jun 94 15:23:16 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6471; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:23:16 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7321; Fri, 24 Jun 94 12:23:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2182; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:23:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:34:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gladys Carkeek Subject: Re: Addr: drugs for pain X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406240235.AA24445@mx2.u.washington.edu> I had same prob. with another old "workhorse" antidepressant : desimprimine. Each one affects each person differently, depending on their personal chemistry, is what I was told. It took several tries to find the right one for me. And yes, the older type antidepressants (as opposed to prozac/zolof) are used for joint and other kinds of pain, not just for depression. Its an valid drug for that, just as prozac has been discovered to reduce pms and cramps for women. I too, had the weird, movie-like dreams on amyltrip. I didn't like it, but at least I *could* sleep when using it! Hilary Carkeek On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, Mark A. DeLoura wrote: > Priscilla Berry said: > >> > >> << > >> amitryptyline (Elavil) > >> >> > >> > >> A hand surgeon had me on this. It made me MORE depressed. Hated it. > >> > >> --- COD > >> > > > > My doctor also tried putting me on this to improve sleep. It seemed to have > > the opposite effect. I would wake up at 4:00 in the morning with a jolt and > > swear it was 8:00. I then had trouble getting back to sleep. Has anyone > > else had this experience? > > I also had this effect while on amitryptyline-- it seemed to jolt me awake > 8 hours after I took the medication (30mg for chronic headaches.) If I > took it too late in the evening, it made me incredibly drowsy the next > morning. Amitryp also had the strange side effect of giving me incredibly > wacky dreams each night. All in all, a very strange drug-- and my symptoms > of tendonitis began while I was on it, so I would NOT recommend it. > I'm on nortryptiline now, and it seems to have all of the good effect of > ami re: pain, without much of the sleeping/dreaming trouble. Again, though, > the small dose I'm on doesn't seem to effect my tendonitis at all. > ---Mark > > ============================================================================== > Mark A. DeLoura sci.virtual-worlds.apps co-mod Loral ADS, Bellevue WA > Work: mdeloura@bvu-lads.loral.com Real-Time Systems Engineer > Home: madsax@netcom.com Sax player, Graphics hacker, Runner > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 16:16:44 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA05468; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 16:16:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 16:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406242020.AA01690@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4431; Fri, 24 Jun 94 16:20:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7943; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 16:20:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0713; Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:20:39 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5088; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:20:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:19:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Re: How does RSI start? X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Rolf writes: >My own problems have started more than a year ago with tensed muscles >in the right shoulder/neck (I think it's called the trapezius muscle). >The problem has always been worst after a lot or intense typing.... I have similar problems with all 3 of the muscles that go up from my shoulder to my neck (excuse my ignorance but I don't know their names). Things that contribute to the problem included working at a desk that was a little too high so I had to raise my shoulder to write on it. This included the desk/chairs at school that are all in one. More recently I was told that my chest muscles, the ones just below the shoulders, were very tight, from having my arms in front of me a lot (almost all tasks) and this was contributing to my shoulder problems because my shoulder muscles gave up competing with the chest muscles. To stretch these muscles I use doorways. Put my elbows up at shoulder height, with the forearm resting up the doorjam and "try to walk" through the door. This can do wonders for me in relieving the pain of tight muscles. (I need to do it more regularly of course :-] ). My doctor also suggested getting a broom handle (or dowel) and (after my husband rounded the ends for me) using the left hand at one end of the dowel to pusch my right arm, at the other end of the dowel, back, first down the side, then shoulder height, then up. That also helped a lot with my shoulders. My physical therapists told me other exercises. These are very successful for me, especially when I do them regularly. In my opinion, some of getting better with muscular injuries is breaking the cycle of tightness. Don't know if this will help or not... Joy linnj@ucs.orst.edu (e-mail address per request of people who's mail program chops addresses - I think it's a good idea myself and will try to remember to add it at the end. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 16:37:53 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA05528; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 16:37:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 16:42:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406242042.AA01923@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4598; Fri, 24 Jun 94 16:41:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8343; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 16:41:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1868; Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:41:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6291; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:41:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:39:35 -0700 Reply-To: Joy Linn Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Re: Questions on Diagnosis X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > What was your treatment? Did you get better? > Does something like this mean I'll be forced to quit by Workers Comp or > accept a disability? Can such a thing happen? > > I'm totally in the dark here, and know nothing about becoming "disabled" in > the Workers Comp sense. I would be appreciative of any comments. > >Kathy I have a permanent partial disability in my left wrist "awarded" me by my worker's comp carrier. I was diagnosed originally with CTS, then tendonitis in my left wrist. After 6 months on restricted duty I was "terminated" (love that word!) by my employer as they claimed they had no other jobs that I could do (was a full-time transcriptionist). I didn't argue with them because I didn't really want to work for such a "caring" (ha!) employer. This disability meant that I got a cash settlement and that I was eligible for perferred worker status in that the workers comp carrier would pay for things a new employer might need in order for me to be able to do the job I was hired at. The way I understand it, at least in Oregon, you can not be forced to quit your job. You would have to be declared 100% disabled and that doesn't happen very often. of course, the ADA complicates this issue these days. There are all sorts of requireements employers have to meet. Don't know all the nitty gritties. If you should get laid off, you might be eligible for Vocational Rehabilitation services either from your workers comp carrier or the state. But, if they determine that you have transferrable skills, then that source of assistance may not be available. Don't know if this helps or hinders this situation. And, personally, the "termination" while being one of the most painful experiences I can remember (it was handled terribly) it was very good and healthy for me. That was on March 12, 1990, 6 months after I first went to the doctor and filed a claim. I had a union attorney and it was nice because I didn't have a clue. he helped with the settlement but I didn't need much else. Joy linnj@ucs.orst.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 18:02:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA05823; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:02:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Jun 94 18:07:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9406242207.AA03767@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5269; Fri, 24 Jun 94 18:06:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0136; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:06:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6595; Fri, 24 Jun 94 15:06:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0006; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:06:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:04:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Craig Hansen Subject: Kurzweil Voice X-To: sorehand%UCSFVM.bitnet@CSMA.Berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Well, I just might be forced to swallow my utterances. I have received an invitation to upgrade to Kurzweil Voice for Windows 1.0 for $45. This isn't exactly up to the promises made when I purchased Kurzweil Voice 1.0 for six times the current price, but I guess they lost the money I already handed them :-) Regards, Craig From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 02:46:29 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id CAA07573; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 02:46:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 02:50:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9406250650.AA08285@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7300; Sat, 25 Jun 94 02:50:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5720; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 02:50:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1102; Fri, 24 Jun 94 23:50:26 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9441; Fri, 24 Jun 1994 23:50:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 23:50:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Warren F. Seltzer" Subject: Bio Kinetics ? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND My latest RSI doctor (number 6 in an ongoing saga...) has started me on a new electronic computerized therapy that sounds like PC-based biofeedback. Apparantly I'm going to stare at screen traces of my nerve activity and make them calm down by act of will. It all sounds very strange. Have any of you experienced this form of treatment ? Did it work ? Thanks in advance, Warren Warren F. Seltzer seltzer@acm.org Just East of Seattle From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 14:22:05 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08700; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:22:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251826.AA12820@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0152; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:25:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7424; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:24:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8613; Sat, 25 Jun 94 10:16:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0700; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:16:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 13:13:25 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Seating for the Caprice; Anyone from GM? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I realize that this is not an upper extremity issue but I am sending this out on Sorehand because I saw a post from someone in GM recently, and thought they might still be reading this. The company that I work for is working with a major metroplitan area that purchases about 100 or so patrol cars per year. Our ergonomics team is recommending that they look at seat design as one of the criteria of the purchase. My question is this: Is there anyone from GM who can give me a complete list of seat options for the Caprice? We are particuarly concerned about lumbar support, and overall driving position. Please send private E-Mail to: EKay@aol.com I will fax forward your replies to ergonomics team members. Thank you in advance for your time. Evan Kay From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 14:22:09 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08703; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:22:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251826.AA12825@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0156; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:25:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7438; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:24:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8621; Sat, 25 Jun 94 10:16:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0704; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:16:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 13:13:46 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Questions on Diagnosis X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND How far out are you from your pregnancy? Pregnancy has been known to exacerbate Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. EVan Kay From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 14:22:28 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08710; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:22:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251826.AA12831@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0169; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7467; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:24:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8638; Sat, 25 Jun 94 10:17:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0712; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:17:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 13:14:05 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Cortisone X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Phonophoresis should not cause you any problems unless you are alergic to steroids. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 14:22:35 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08715; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:22:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251826.AA12838@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0176; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7482; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:24:53 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8630; Sat, 25 Jun 94 10:17:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0708; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:17:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 13:13:57 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Cortisone X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Phonophoresis is just not as effective as iontophoresis. Depending on how it is done, there is virtually no more drug put through the skin than if you just applied it in a topical manner. If you are recieving ionto, make sure that the therapist is using the chempads rather than the cream. If you use the cream, you might as well not use the US. The hdro cortisone cream is a very poor conductor of sound. EVan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 14:22:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08720; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:22:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:27:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251827.AA12851@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0189; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7522; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:25:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9760; Sat, 25 Jun 94 11:12:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1593; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 11:12:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:11:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Seating for the Caprice; Anyone from GM? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406251717.AA24169@world.std.com> Ean, consider having an occupational therapist consult on the additional personal options which will probably be necessary if multiple drivers use the car(s). IE, proper set distance, etc. it will be well worth a day's fee to have them check out each driver. FWIW, I am shopping for a new car (not buying til 95 at least) and I was impressed by the comfort of the seat in the Neon. Very good lower back support and legroom. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 14:22:55 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08722; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:22:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:27:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251827.AA12845@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0181; Sat, 25 Jun 94 14:26:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7499; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 14:25:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8882; Sat, 25 Jun 94 10:30:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0876; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:30:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 13:29:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Wrist Supports as RSI Prevention X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406241850.AA17534@world.std.com> << I'm looking for reasons why to use, or not to use them for preventative purposes. >> I'm not a doctor or a PT but I can tell you what my occuptational therapist told me: 1. they're good to use if they're helping you avoid straining muscles which are already strained, for example, while driving. 2. don't use them for more than a few hours at a time 3. they're not meant for use while typing -- your problems at the keyboard are likely caused by a number of ther things that splint don't address. 4. You can wear thm overnight if you hurt your muscles while sleeping, but only do it if a doctor or PT recommends it. COD, who's been there. --- COD From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 15:04:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA08789; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 15:03:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 15:08:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251908.AA13300@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0859; Sat, 25 Jun 94 15:07:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9428; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 15:07:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1367; Sat, 25 Jun 94 12:08:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3946; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 12:08:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 15:06:03 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Re: Strange Experience X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've never had the symptoms you describe, but they sound kinda scary. If you haven't already, I would advise you to tell your doctor and your therapist what you told us RIGHT AWAY. Good luck! Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Human Factors, Usability, Ergonomics, User Interface Design. Whatever you call it, if your product needs more of it, call me! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 15:50:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA08905; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 15:50:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 15:54:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9406251954.AA13662@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1095; Sat, 25 Jun 94 15:53:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0206; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 15:53:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2396; Sat, 25 Jun 94 12:54:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5309; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 12:54:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 12:52:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gladys Carkeek Subject: Re: Bio Kinetics ? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406250650.AA11794@mx2.u.washington.edu> Hey, I do this too! Only its muscles not will for me. I have to pretend to type on a dummie keyboard while forcing the shoulders down and in to keep the strain outta my neck area. It feels odd, but those green and red lines show an improvement. hilary On Fri, 24 Jun 1994, Warren F. Seltzer wrote: > My latest RSI doctor (number 6 in an ongoing saga...) has started me on > a new electronic computerized therapy that sounds like PC-based biofeedback. > > Apparantly I'm going to stare at screen traces of my nerve activity and > make them calm down by act of will. It all sounds very strange. Have > any of you experienced this form of treatment ? Did it work ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Warren > > Warren F. Seltzer seltzer@acm.org > Just East of Seattle > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 18:12:07 1994 Received: from churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA09074; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 18:12:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 18:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9406252209.AA11635@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1608; Sat, 25 Jun 94 18:05:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1521; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 18:05:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4851; Sat, 25 Jun 94 15:05:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9137; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 15:05:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 18:03:27 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: BJames3515@AOL.COM Subject: Deaf, Interpreters and RSI X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > That's interesting. Do the deaf have a high incidence of RSI? I wouldn't > think signing would cause much of a problem since the hands are in constant > motion and there's no shock produced by the movements. Actually there is a difference between deaf people and interpreters concerning RSI. Interpreters hands and arms are in constant motion creating a great strain on them. Most people talk fairly rapidly and trying to keep up with some speakers is very trying! When deaf people speak, they are most often engaged in conversation and there are resting periods while waiting for the next person to speak. In addition, they speak at a rate that is comfortable or them. There is quite a strain on the system for interpreters! (my wife spent 6 weeks on disability two school years ago, and I have heard that at some schools, a large majority of interpreters are on disability.) Bob From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jun 25 20:04:24 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA09202; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 20:04:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 25 Jun 94 20:08:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406260008.AA01429@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1888; Sat, 25 Jun 94 20:08:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2212; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 20:08:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6542; Sat, 25 Jun 94 17:08:26 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1170; Sat, 25 Jun 1994 17:08:26 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 16:39:10 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Biofeedback X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Warren Seltzer wrote: > Apparently I'm going to stare at screen traces of my nerve activity and > make them calm down by act of will. It all sounds very strange. Have > any of you experienced this form of treatment ? Did it work ? Yes, I did this kind of work, and found it effective. Not a cure, but a contribution. It was very interesting to discover what postures involved what degrees of muscle activity. The goal of this work is to find the position of least effort/greatest relaxation. The beauty of it is in doing it often enough that you come to learn how it feels for your arms and shoulders to be truly relaxed. I can remember that feeling now at will - my body has learned it. Now I can recognize the difference and recreate that sensation, knowing that I am achieving that state of least effort. "Act of will" might be kind of a strong phrase. It's as simple as paying attention. Nothing hocus pocus about it. You get to learn what your body is supposed to feel like. Enjoy. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 26 05:44:48 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id FAA10618; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 05:44:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 26 Jun 94 05:49:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9406260949.AA10240@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2980; Sun, 26 Jun 94 05:48:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5131; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 05:48:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3483; Sun, 26 Jun 94 02:48:44 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9871; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 02:48:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 23:04:14 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Re: Questions on Diagnosis X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In message <9406251817.ab13097@post.demon.co.uk> SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn writes: > How far out are you from your pregnancy? > > Pregnancy has been known to exacerbate Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. > Definitely. It's the only time I've had CTS, and I had it in both pregnancies. Whether that has anything to do with the tendonitis I've got now -- who knows? -- (ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 26 09:01:37 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA10863; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 09:01:35 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 26 Jun 94 09:05:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9406261305.AA11266@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3218; Sun, 26 Jun 94 09:05:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5768; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 09:05:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5169; Sun, 26 Jun 94 06:05:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2202; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 06:05:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 09:05:26 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Seating for the Caprice; Anyone from GM? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am an Occupational Therapist. We know what we want to do for them, but the standard bench seats does not seem to provide what we are looking for. What we need is to get someones ear from GM who can understands how important seating concerns are in the purchase of the vehicle, and can steer help us ask the sales people for the right options. Evan Kay EKay@aol.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jun 26 15:23:21 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA11238; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 15:23:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 26 Jun 94 15:27:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9406261927.AA14870@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4148; Sun, 26 Jun 94 15:27:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8422; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 15:27:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0883; Sun, 26 Jun 94 12:27:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0731; Sun, 26 Jun 1994 12:27:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 12:16:35 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Kurzweil Voice X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Craig, Your experience is typical of software companies who don't realize how competitive the market is. They can't sell an overprice product so they have to cut the price then they disenchant the people who did buy their product by releasing an "upgrade" for more $. EVan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 06:30:42 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id GAA28044; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 06:30:40 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 05:55:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406270955.AA22994@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6996; Mon, 27 Jun 94 05:55:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6071; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 05:55:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1026; Mon, 27 Jun 94 02:55:27 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3346; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 02:55:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 23:49:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Michael Quigley Subject: Information on Carpal Tunnel X-To: sorehand%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I need the following I need help with the following information. 1. Places in Chicagoland that sell good chairs. 2. Places that sell the "thing" you put your keyboard on to make it adjust up and down. 3. Speaking of those "things" does anyone know of portable ones that consultants like myself could take with me from one job to the next? 4. What can I do about the weak writes I am getting from using splints? Are there exercises I could do or what, I simply can't type unless I use the splints. Answers to one or more of these questions would be greately appreciated. Thank-you. Michael Quigley From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 11:34:34 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA28690; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:34:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 11:20:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271520.AA26461@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9377; Mon, 27 Jun 94 11:19:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2945; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:19:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4593; Mon, 27 Jun 94 08:19:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5613; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 08:19:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:46:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Alan K. Jackson,544-4442" Subject: Listserver for offshore programming issues X-To: esri-l@esri.com, sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Sorry if this is the wrong place, but somewhere a few months ago I saw an announcement for a listserver being set up to discuss issues around "offshore programming", that is, for example, sending specs and flowcharts to India, and getting code back. I lost the message, and now I need it. I can't find the list anywhere I have looked (yes I looked at the list of lists). Anyone help? Thanks... Alan K. Jackson - Interpretive Data Processing Coordinator Pecten International Company (a wholly owned subsidiary of Shell Oil Co) voice :(713)544-4442 fax :(713)544-4873 snail :Box 205,Houston,Tx 77001 UUCP: ...!{uupsi}!shell!ajackson INTERNET: ajackson@shell.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 11:34:54 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA28695; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:34:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 11:30:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271530.AA26660@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9471; Mon, 27 Jun 94 11:30:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3195; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:30:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5145; Mon, 27 Jun 94 08:30:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6424; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 08:30:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:27:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Donna Sims - AADSS Secretary X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND From: PSTCC::DSIMS "Donna Sims - AADSS Secretary" 27-JUN-1994 09:22:20. 51 To: IN%"LISTSERV@UCSFVM.BITNET" CC: DSIMS Subj: I suspect that I may have carpal tunnel syndrome. I have worked as a computer operator for 5 years and a secretary for one year. Both positions required extensive use of the keyboard. I am now experiencing pain in my right wrist and partial numbness in two fingers. I use a wrist rest with my keyboard and I recently purchased a wrist bandage. My questions are: 1) Will the wrist bandage really help? 2) When do I wear the bandage - while I am using the keyboard or in the evenings when I experience pain? 3) Are there any other things that I could do to help reduce the symptoms? I would appreciate any help. Donna From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 14:38:16 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA29554; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 14:38:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 14:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271842.AA01105@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1415; Mon, 27 Jun 94 14:42:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8429; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 14:42:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7355; Mon, 27 Jun 94 11:42:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4037; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:41:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:39:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Splints for prevention X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Scott wrote: >> I'm looking for reasons why to use, or not to use them for preventative purposes. >> (re: splints) I don't know about using actual splints, with something rigid in them, as a preventative measure. As has been mentioned, this can contribute to muscle atrophication (sp?/right word?) which then causes a problem where none existed before. But, I sometimes think I'd like to wear something that reminds me to be careful how I'm using my wrist. At a recent conference (American Society of Safety Engineers) I saw some neoprene "splint" type things which provide a minimal amount of support while acting as a "reminder". I thought this might be a good thing to look into. It does not inhibit range of motion at all. In addition, it might keep the wrist area a little warmer, in cold work environments, which may be good. I know when I'm working at home and the room is cold, my wrists seem to get sore faster. I've looked for cotton fingerless gloves to try and keep my hands and wrists warm. Can't seem to find them. Anyone seen anything like that? Thanks. Joy linnj@ucs.orst.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 16:31:18 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00177; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:31:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:13:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271613.AA27293@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9908; Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:12:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4430; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:12:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7984; Mon, 27 Jun 94 09:12:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1747; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:12:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:12:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Sue Catterall Subject: Re: Information on Carpal Tunnel X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406270956.CAA20396@mail.netcom.com> On Sun, 26 Jun 1994, Michael Quigley wrote: > I need help with the following information. > > 1. Places in Chicagoland that sell good chairs. Try: Corporate Office Systems (312) 440-9300 or, Office Pavilion/Thomas Interior Systems, Inc. (312) 527-4444. They both sell good, ergonomic (Herman Miller) seating. > 2. Places that sell the "thing" you put your keyboard on to make it adjust > up and down. You might ask these places (above) about the "Scooter," a free-standing keyboard tray with height and tilt adjustment. > 3. Speaking of those "things" does anyone know of portable ones that > consultants like myself could ta>xke with me from one job to the next? The Scooter only weighs 15 lbs. Can easily be moved. If you want to see a picture of it, send me your fax no. or snail mail address. Sue Catterall suec@netcom.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 16:37:20 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00204; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:37:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 13:14:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271714.AA28836@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0539; Mon, 27 Jun 94 13:14:07 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6047; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:14:06 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2081; Mon, 27 Jun 94 10:14:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6713; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:14:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:13:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Evans Subject: Re: Bio Kinetics ? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406250651.XAA04969@cygnus.com> (warrens@NETCOM.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 23:50:06 -0700 From: "Warren F. Seltzer" My latest RSI doctor (number 6 in an ongoing saga...) has started me on a new electronic computerized therapy that sounds like PC-based biofeedback. Apparantly I'm going to stare at screen traces of my nerve activity and make them calm down by act of will. It all sounds very strange. Have any of you experienced this form of treatment ? Did it work ? This is not as crazy as it sounds. It does work. If you have a keyboard in front of you and are typing while this is going on it will teach you how to accomplish the same tasks with less stress on the body. I wish I had one to use all the time (it is very easy to fall back on old ways in the midst of a flame or a bug squashing expedition :-). From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 16:41:53 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00230; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:41:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 15:15:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271915.AA01686@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1757; Mon, 27 Jun 94 15:15:12 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9323; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 15:15:12 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9303; Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:15:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5781; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:15:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:02:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: fingerless gloves To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Joy asked about cotton fingerless gloves as a way to keep her hands warm while typing. Try checking a musical instruments shop; horn players often wear gloves to keep skin oils and sweat from eating the finish off their metal babies. While those gloves will have fingers, you can cut 'em off. A couple other glove possibilities: knit weightlifter's gloves or cut-up glove liners. I've been thinking about getting some Isotoner gloves and cutting off the fingers; the material is comfortably clingy, like a good hand girdle, and warm. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 16:42:07 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00236; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:42:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 15:16:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9406271916.AA01701@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1772; Mon, 27 Jun 94 15:16:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9385; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 15:16:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9370; Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:16:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5857; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:16:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:14:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Evans Subject: DataHand usage / Handheld chording keyboard X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND One problem I have with the DataHand is that I can never get my arms completely at rest. There's always a bit of tension, even if I'm studying something on the screen (no typing). Does anyone else with the DataHand have this problem, and how do you try to alleviate it? Also, when reading news, all I really need is about 10 keys so I was thinking ... Suppose one built a keyboard that essentially looked like this: Take two joysticks (or anything else molded to the hand), put 5 switches on each, and presto - a 10 key keyboard that one could use while resting one's hands in one's lap. With a bit of software it would be trivial to build up any kind of chording or multi-stroke keyboard you wanted. If I find something cheap and easy enough to make, I'd even go so far as to just solder the thing into the 10 function keys on a pc keyboard (via suitably long wires (ribbon cable)). Getting the thing working is the easy part, finding the suitable hardware is the hard part ... which leads me to this question: Have I described what I want enough that people can tell me if such a thing already exists? Thanks. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 16:42:32 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA00248; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:42:30 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 16:17:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9406272017.AA02704@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2445; Mon, 27 Jun 94 16:16:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1492; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:16:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3396; Mon, 27 Jun 94 13:16:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9494; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:16:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:15:14 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Bernard Subject: Re: fingerless gloves X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Linda Lorraine Originals makes these gloves. She can be reached at 415-564-5156 (San Francisco) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jun 27 19:24:38 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA00806; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:24:35 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Jun 94 19:28:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9406272328.AA05936@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4048; Mon, 27 Jun 94 19:28:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5820; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:28:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4574; Mon, 27 Jun 94 16:28:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1150; Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:28:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:27:07 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Priscilla Berry Subject: Re: Bio Kinetics ? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I went through something like this when I had bio-feedback training. I was very skeptical when I started, but I must admit, I'm very glad I took it. My training focused on trying to relax WHILE I was performing some task. The lines on the screen showed the amount of work a particular muscle group was doing while I performed a task (or was at rest). What was interesting to me is that they discovered that I never relaxed the muscles in my shoulders. I literally had forgotten what a relaxed muscle felt like. I would always have my shoulders and neck tense. Needless to say, this created tremendous problems with my RSI. Hope this helps, Priscilla pb> From @CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jun 24 23:51:08 1994 pb> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 23:50:06 -0700 pb> Subject: Bio Kinetics ? pb> To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND pb> X-Lines: 13 pb> pb> My latest RSI doctor (number 6 in an ongoing saga...) has started me on pb> a new electronic computerized therapy that sounds like PC-based biofeedback. pb> pb> Apparantly I'm going to stare at screen traces of my nerve activity and pb> make them calm down by act of will. It all sounds very strange. Have pb> any of you experienced this form of treatment ? Did it work ? pb> pb> Thanks in advance, pb> pb> Warren pb> pb> Warren F. Seltzer seltzer@acm.org pb> Just East of Seattle pb> From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 04:49:10 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id EAA02650; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 04:49:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 04:53:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9406280853.AA13719@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6532; Tue, 28 Jun 94 04:53:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2560; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 04:53:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3725; Tue, 28 Jun 94 01:53:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9362; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 01:53:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 04:51:20 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: fingerless gloves X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND HandEze gloves are meant just for this. I think they're quite expensive ($17) for what you get, and your two middle fingers get squashed together because they share a hole, but it's an option. I wish I had their address to share; I'm sure somebody does. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 10:47:40 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA03390; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:47:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 10:52:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281452.AA17135@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9147; Tue, 28 Jun 94 10:51:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2705; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:51:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5738; Tue, 28 Jun 94 07:52:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5720; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 07:52:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:50:40 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: smithl@BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Subject: Re: fingerless gloves X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >HandEze gloves are meant just for this. I think they're quite expensive >($17) for what you get, and your two middle fingers get squashed >together because they share a hole, but it's an option. I really like my HandEze gloves, and think they're worth the price. They provide warmth (better circulation) and support. The shared hole for the two middle fingers does look funny, but the fingers don't feel squashed at all. The wrist band is wide, comfortable, and very supportive, but not restrictive, as were the splints I used to struggle with. I wear them whenever I keyboard. (When I went to my first PT about 4 years ago, she had me cut the fingers off a pair of Isotoners -- apparently the same concept as HandEze, but more expensive and less effective.) >I wish I had their address to share; I'm sure somebody does. I don't have their address, but I do have the toll free number for information: (800) 432-4352 I understand they're also sold at many craft supply shops. Laurie smithl@bigvax.alfred.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 11:57:13 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA03582; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:57:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:01:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281601.AA18360@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9927; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:01:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4878; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:01:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0221; Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:01:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3655; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:01:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:46:00 BST-1 Reply-To: richardd@cix.compulink.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Richard Donkin Subject: Re: Driving & RSI X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND People might also like to try Qi Gong while driving - this is a Chinese discipline that involves holding your arms out in front of you as the basic position, which is highly compatible with driving, especially if you drive with one hand while doing Qi Gong with the other. Qi Gong has been discussed before, but I can upload a document to the ex-soda ftp archive if someone reminds me which directory to send it to. It is excellent as pain relief, if you do it properly, and does not take too long to learn. In the longer term, it helped me recover from RSI by loosening muscles and improving blood circulation (IMO). I'm off-net for the next week, in case anyone replies to this. Richard -- richardd@cix.compulink.co.uk From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 12:07:47 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA03618; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:07:44 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:12:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281612.AA18513@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0027; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:11:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5123; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:11:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0766; Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:12:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4053; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:12:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:11:16 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." 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From: Jaye Organization: Acadia University Subject: Re: DataHand usage / Handheld chording keyboard To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND - This is exactly how I feel, and why I think a scaled down version of voice recognition would be perfect for mail. > > Also, when reading news, all I really need is about 10 keys so I was > thinking ... > Suppose one built a keyboard that essentially looked like this: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jaye Fraser Acadia University Library Library Systems Consultant Wolfville, NS jfraser@admin.acadiau.ca (902) 542-2201 ext. 1602 Cahn's Axiom: "When all else fails, read the instructions!" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 12:20:26 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA03658; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:20:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:25:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281625.AA18654@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0162; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:24:35 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5466; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:24:35 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1643; Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:24:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4723; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:24:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:14:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Driving & RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND What is Qu Gong? I know Richard said he's off-net, but does anyone else have information? I'm interested in rehabilitative exercises. I used to do yoga, but now that I'm working, I don't have time in the morning and it's too hot when I get home. I do aerobics in the morning for half an hour, but yoga always takes me at least 50 minutes. How do other people fit exercising into their schedules? Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 13:04:59 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA03798; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:04:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 13:09:42 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281709.AA19347@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0846; Tue, 28 Jun 94 13:09:07 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7262; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:09:07 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4425; Tue, 28 Jun 94 10:09:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6977; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:09:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:07:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Driving & RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406281625.AA24619@world.std.com> Karen, RSI Network #17 - which I'm almost certain you have - has Richard's Qi Gong information (actually, now that I think of it, it may be #16). Sigh. So many items, so few brain cells. let me know if you need #16. On Tue, 28 Jun 1994, Karen Whitehouse wrote: > What is Qu Gong? I know Richard said he's off-net, but does anyone > else have information? I'm interested in rehabilitative exercises. I > used to do yoga, but now that I'm working, I don't have time in the > morning and it's too hot when I get home. I do aerobics in the morning > for half an hour, but yoga always takes me at least 50 minutes. How do > other people fit exercising into their schedules? > > Karen > kwhitehouse@computer.org > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 13:30:35 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA03865; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:30:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 13:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281735.AA19772@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1129; Tue, 28 Jun 94 13:34:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8032; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:34:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6128; Tue, 28 Jun 94 10:34:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8390; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:34:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:25:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[4]: Driving & RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Actually, I don't think I have any issues of RSI Network. I have a vague memory of not being able to access the ftp site on which the archives are stored. I'll try again, though; a colleague of mine accessed the site just fine through CompuServe. Thanks for the info. I'll get both 16 and 17, just in case. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 14:15:03 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA04121; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:15:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:19:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281819.AA20701@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1697; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:19:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9532; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:19:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8908; Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:19:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0629; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:19:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:18:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Larry Urquhart Subject: Re: Tendonitis - Treatment X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Sy To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Reply to: RE>>Tendonitis - Treatment > I quit my job and became a housewife. Unfortunately not an option for me ;-{. Larry Urquhart StarNine Technical Support 510 649-4949, FAX 510 548 0393 larry@starnine.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:04:09 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04694; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:04:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:03:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281803.AA20449@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1531; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:02:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9077; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:02:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7925; Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:03:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9823; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:03:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:43:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Mrs. R.M. Peacock" Subject: Re: Tendonitis - Treatment To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I took the drastic approach when ianto, ultrasound, antiinflammatory drugs, hot packs, and ice failed to help my bilateral DeQuervain's (and other RSI injuries). I quit my job and became a housewife. Now I can clean the kitchen and two bathrooms, do four loads of laundry (carrying each load to and from the apartment clubhouse), hand-wash six garments, hang them up with spring-type clothespins, iron all my blouses and my husband's shirts, set up and take down the ironing board, knit a few rows, and give my tired husband a massage--in one day, without even a twinge. It may not sound like everybody's cup of tea, but at least IT DOESN'T MAKE MY HANDS HURT. And that, to me, is heaven! I can pursue my hobbies again--knit, play guitar, do beadwork, play with the computer, even play volleyball--without pain. I think it's worth the loss of the paycheck to have back the use of my hands. Just my 2-cents (before taxes) worth. ;) Mrs. P. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:05:01 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04701; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:04:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:34:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281834.AA20924@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1860; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:34:03 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0051; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:34:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9803; Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:34:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1390; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:34:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:15:03 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: "stomko@wchester.bitnet" Subject: Foot Problem X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I know this list deals with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, but recently I have been diagnosed with Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome. Has anyone heard of this or had to seek treatment for it. I am not certain what I can do but rest, because, I certainly cannot splint or brace my ankles. BTW, this causes the bottoms of my feet to ache after standing or walking for over 20 minutes. Please let me know if any of you has information on this. Thanks. - Sue From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:06:00 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04706; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:05:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:55:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281855.AA21328@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2056; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:55:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0576; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:55:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0896; Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:55:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2399; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:55:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:49:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: Foot Problem To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Sue wrote >>I am not certain what I can do but rest, because, I certainly cannot >>splint or brace my ankles. BTW, this causes the bottoms of my feet >>to ache after standing or walking for over 20 minutes. Now, I've never heard the term tarsal tunnel syndrome, but how come you can't brace your ankles? While waiting tables, my mother wore a shaped bandage on her foot because of a bad ankle; her foot still hurt, but the bandage did serve to notify her when she was standing awkwardly. Resting, icing, and Advil should help too. What did your doctor tell you? Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:06:53 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04717; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:06:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:04:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281904.AA21543@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2135; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:03:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0813; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:03:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1385; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:04:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2812; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:04:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:11:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gladys Carkeek Subject: Re: Tendonitis - Treatment X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406281803.AA25666@mx2.u.washington.edu> Mrs. Peacock describes how she helped her tendonitious by staying at home, and says it may not be everones cup of tea... I think it sounds wonderful! More power to you! (Prob. would not work for me, since my husband and I would always be fighting over who got to be house-spouse! I'm sure he would want to!!) Hilary From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:07:27 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04722; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:07:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:00:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281900.AA21451@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2090; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:59:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0676; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:59:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1179; Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:59:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2626; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:59:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:49:26 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Re[2]: Driving & RSI X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406281708.AA01816@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Craig O'Donnell" at Jun 28, 94 1:07 pm |Karen, RSI Network #17 - which I'm almost certain you have - has |Richard's Qi Gong information (actually, now that I think of it, it may |be #16). Sigh. So many items, so few brain cells. let me know if you need |#16. I would also like this information. Where are the archives? Please include the Internet (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) number of the host machine. Thanks in advance. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers Intergraph Corporation Building Design & Management MailStop: LR24A3 drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:11:21 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04727; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:11:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:59:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9406281959.AA22656@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2697; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:59:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2386; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:59:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5107; Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:59:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5769; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:59:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:50:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[4]: Driving & RSI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Dale (and others interested)- Among other sites, the RSI Network newsletter is archived on soda.berkeley.edu:/pub/typing-injury/rsi-network (128.32.149.19). You will notice many other items of interest in the typing-injury folder, too. The Qi Gong stuff is in issue 17; if you want, I can send it to your private e-mail. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:12:11 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04732; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:12:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 17:03:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282103.AA24137@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3423; Tue, 28 Jun 94 17:02:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4372; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:02:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9783; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:03:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9533; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:03:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:01:10 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: fingerless gloves AGAIN X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I made a comment about the single hole for the two middle fingers, and Laurie Smith commented that it didn't bother her. Let me get more specific about my comment: The single hole doesn't exactly squash fingers, but it does push them together slightly. My relaxed hand therefore has the two middle fingers together and the index and little fingers slightly spread, rather than all four fingers spread which is normal (for me) with the gloves off. When I type, I find myself messing up on the keys used by those two middle fingers, because they're misaligned by the gloves. I key with fairly relaxed fingers, so this is significant. I have to key with tensed fingers. Hmmm. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 17:30:03 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA04775; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:30:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 17:34:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282134.AA24614@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3695; Tue, 28 Jun 94 17:34:17 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5094; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:34:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2052; Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:34:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1288; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:34:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 14:17:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: fingerless gloves AGAIN To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I think the theory behind the two-finger middle hole is to keep the two "halves" of the hand together. I don't know a whole lot about anatomy, but as Spock's "live long and prosper" position indicates, the ring and middle fingers' spread is noticeably wider than the index-middle or ring-pinky spread. This might cause people to hyperextend that middle spread, causing mucho problems in the middle of the hand. Perhaps the fact that you have to pull against the glove to type "normally" means that you normally spread your hand too widely. I know I probably push my ring fingers too far out. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 20:49:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05398; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:49:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:17:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282217.AA18176@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3978; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:17:18 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5831; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:17:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4518; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:17:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3228; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:17:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:09:37 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Lauren McNiece Subject: Re: Lawyers To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:18:50 EDT from Am I missing something here? I have been told that when there is Workers Comp, the injured employee cannot sue for *pain & suffering*, etc. That only verified disability and medical bills will be covered... And then only when the conditi on has been "accepted" by the Workers Comp folks (who don't seem to believe tha t CTDs are real!). - Lauren - Lauren McNiece Library Technician 2 Washington State University Libraries Pullman, WA 99164-5610 internet: MCNIECE@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 20:49:26 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05403; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:49:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:32:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282232.AA18472@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4088; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:32:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6122; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:32:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5411; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:32:27 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4142; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:32:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:30:02 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: Re: fingerless gloves AGAIN X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND If there are indeed two halves of the hand and the live-long-and-prosper position is natural (!) then keyboards aren't designed to take this into account. ;) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 20:54:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05408; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:54:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:53:42 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282253.AA18799@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4241; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:53:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6645; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:53:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6315; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:53:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5098; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:53:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:51:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gladys Carkeek Subject: Re: Lawyers X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9406282217.AA18557@mx2.u.washington.edu> I don't think that is correct, at least here in Washington. I have an L and I claim for TOS, they pay for my massage andphysical therapy. They are also prob. going to pay for my keyboard, chair and trackmouse for my workstation. I first went to the doctor when i had pain, who submitted my bill to my usual insurance carrier, who refused to pay it, based on doctor's belief that it was work related. Then he filled out form to send to Labor and Industry, who decided (a mere 9 months later) that my claim was valid. I don't know about suing for pain and suffering though. If you want to discuss further, since we are both Wash. State Libary workers, and my experience may be of use to you pls. don't hesitate to email me off list. G. Hilary Carkeek, Univ. of Wash. On Tue, 28 Jun 1994, Lauren McNiece wrote: > Am I missing something here? I have been told that when there is Workers Comp, > the injured employee cannot sue for *pain & suffering*, etc. That only verified > disability and medical bills will be covered... And then only when the conditi > on has been "accepted" by the Workers Comp folks (who don't seem to believe tha > t CTDs are real!). > > - Lauren - > > Lauren McNiece > Library Technician 2 > Washington State University Libraries > Pullman, WA 99164-5610 > > internet: MCNIECE@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 20:54:52 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05413; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:54:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 19:08:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282308.AA19019@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4334; Tue, 28 Jun 94 19:08:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6869; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:08:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7125; Tue, 28 Jun 94 16:08:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7146; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:08:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:10:32 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Janice J. Heiss" Subject: Great success with Dr. Mehaffy X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND For the past year, I have tried pharmaceutical drugs, herbs, contrast baths and exercises to alleviate the pain of my RSI and to find an alternative to the knife--a carpal tunnel operation. By January, I felt discouraged as it seemed nothing provided lasting relief. But by April, I had found a solution. I began seeing Dr. Rick Mehaffy in Redwood City (he's at 415-363-1156) and as a result of his treatments, I have been out of pain now for longer than at any other time I've had RSI. I'm beginning to think that I may actually return to "normal" to a large extent and begin doing things I did before I got RSI. Mehaffy has been seeing me on a "Green Lien" or contingency basis and his treatment consists of two things done together: the first half hour he does trigger point therapy and the second half hour he does chiropractic work. The combination and order of these two treatments: first, trigger point therapy, to break down the fibrosis that is formed around the muscles from repetitive motion and loosen the muscles' pull on the bones, and second, chiropractic or realigning the skewed vertebrae at the back of my neck and in the thoracic area (skewed from the muscles reacting to repetitive motion and pulling the bones out of whack), has given me more relief than anything else I've tried. Concurrently, these other things have helped: 1)put adhesive backed foam on the space bar on my keyboard to act as a shock absorber for my thumb hitting that key repetitively 2)begun sleeping on a pillow with neck support 3)made a series of dietary changes 4)exercise 30 minutes everyday to keep the circulation moving (even if it's just walking) and 5)VARYING (the opposite of repetitive) motions by, for example, becoming more ambidextrous or changing seated postion frequently. While I don't have an Internet connection, I do have Compuserve (73142,64@compuserve.com)and you are welcome to ask me stuff about RSI treatment through the Internet/Compuserve e-mail gateway. C. Gerber From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 20:56:04 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA05418; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:56:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406282249.AA18726@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4204; Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:49:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6519; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:49:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6167; Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:49:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4961; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:49:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:47:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Linda Lamb Subject: Safety training questionnaire X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ##################################################################### SAFETY TRAINING QUESTIONNAIRE I'd like to find out how companies handle safety training and preventing RSI. If you fill out the following questionnaire, I'll e-mail you back a report that summarizes results. Feel free to post this questionnaire to others at your office. A compilation of the (anonymous) answers from your office might be an eye-opener for your management. I'd like to be copied on all responses, if that's possible. I would assume that most companies do not currently have strong awareness and prevention programs for RSI. But my hope is that we can learn from each others' experiences, and use that knowledge to make changes within our companies. Thanks. - - - - - - - - COMPANY TRAINING AND SUPPORT - - - - - - - - - - - What size is your company (number of people)? Is your productivity measured quantitatively? By team or individually? How often do you work overtime? Once a month? Nearly every day? Does your company have a Safety committee? Nurse? Human Resources Department? Who would you go to if you were in pain on the job? In the past 6 months, have you had an inspection of the ergonomics of your worksite and your work habits? In the past 6 months, have any safety training classes been taught at your company? On which of the following subjects have you received training? __ Stress reduction __ Basic body mechanics of sitting and typing/mousing __ Exercises and stretches for computer users __ Causes of RSI/carpal tunnel syndrome __ Computer vision (what causes eyestrain, blinking, focus, exercises, etc.) __ Lifting safely __ Other: What class was particularly helpful and why? (e.g., the ergonomics trainer concentrated on teaching our employees how to evaluate each other's workstations, so that we could continue monitoring our own situation.) In what ways do you know that your company values your health? __ Insurance coverage __ Disability insurance __ Safe neighborhood for walks, biking; bicycle racks for 'commuters' __ Shower at work __ Exercise equipment __ Health club discount __ Nutritional food in vending machines or at company parties __ Massage therapist comes to work (individuals pay) __ Classes at office (e.g., yoga, aerobics) __ Green plants in office __ Rest & stretch breaks encouraged __ Books and tapes available on health topics __ Radiation from terminal, lights, other electrical sources measured __ Several styles of office chairs, desks, equipment from which to select for optimal fit __ Reports of pain or discomfort bring quick response __ Your opinions and suggestions taken seriously __ Other: - - - - - - - - DEALING WITH RSI IN THE OFFICE - - - - - - - - - - - Have you had Repetitive Stress Injury symptoms (e.g., burning, tingling, pain, numbness)? When did you first noticed the symptoms did you seek treatment right away? If not, why not? (e.g., did you tell yourself you must be: imagining things, getting older, getting soft. Were you afraid to find out what might be wrong? Too busy to bother with such a little thing?) What finally got you to take the problem seriously? When you reported the problem at work: __ Did you get referred to Worker's Comp? __ Did you get referred to a company doctor/health center? __ Did someone at the company check your workstation? __ Were you given any resources to learn more about the problem? __ Did you ever feel that Human Resources, your boss or co-workers doubted your injury because it was an 'invisible' one? __ Did you feel supported? __ Did you feel as if you had to fend for yourself? Have you helped to change the attitude of others at your office toward RSI or employee health in general? How? If you had a child or a good friend who was starting your job tomorrow, what health advice would you give him/her? ##################################################################### -- Linda Lamb, lamb@ora.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 23:25:15 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA05835; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:25:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:29:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290329.AA03640@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5814; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:29:26 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1017; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:29:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7675; Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:29:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8371; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:29:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:27:39 -0400 Reply-To: Dan Wallach Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Wallach Subject: Re: Driving & RSI X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Dale R Rogers's message of Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:49:26 CDT. >|Karen, RSI Network #17 - which I'm almost certain you have - has >|Richard's Qi Gong information (actually, now that I think of it, it may >|be #16). Sigh. So many items, so few brain cells. let me know if you need >|#16. > I would also like this information. > Where are the archives? Please include the Internet > (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) number of the host machine. RSI Network back issues can be found a number of places, including the typing-injury archive on ftp.csua.berkeley.edu -- I'd toss in the Internet number, but it will be changing soon, so try to use the real name. -- Dan Wallach "One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.princeton.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Phone#: 609-683-4673 of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. (Home page) http://www.cs.princeton.edu/grad/dwallach/ (finger for PGP key) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 23:26:56 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA05840; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:26:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290331.AA03662@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5824; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:31:15 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1038; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:31:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7771; Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:31:31 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8772; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:31:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 22:33:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Gina Jozaitis Subject: Re: Doctor in Chicago area? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >I am new to this mailing list and was wondering if >anyone could recommend to me a doctor or physiotherapist >in the Chicago area who is familiar with repetitive >stress injuries. > >I am particularly interested in someone who has knowledge of >the relationship between neck pain and pain in the hands >and wrists. I know you posted this a while ago, but I just happened to be backtracking in my saved messages, and I saw yours. I had saved it because I wanted to respond, and I just saw it now. As for muscle pain, etc., I have fibromyalgia/myofascial pain. The ONLY relief I've ever had was from a naprapath. They work like chiropractors in a way, but instead of dealing with bones, they deal with muscles, tendons, connective tissue. His name is Ted Rapacz. His number is 383-1626. He is located in Oak Park, near North and Ridgeland. He's is great, absolutely great! Tell him I referred you if you talk with him. My name is Gina Jozaitis. Good luck! ~ ~ @ @ ------oOOo-(O)-oOOo------ | | | Gina Jozaitis | | * * * * * * | | ginajo | | @ | |interaccess.com| | | |_______________| From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 23:27:25 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA05845; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:27:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:31:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290331.AA03669@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5826; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:31:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1043; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:31:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7796; Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:31:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8788; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:31:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:30:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Kris Montgomery Subject: Lidocaine injections X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Okay, okay. I've been at this (trying to fix TOS) for 4 years: I've had lidocai ne injections (anaesthetic) in my scalene muscles to try to stop the spasm. I've had one injection two weeks ago: two today in the both the superior and anterior scalene. I notice that, for awhile, my pain has lessened, my hand feels warmer than when I went in and there's a pulse in my palm (enough to notice). My first rib, pulled up by the continuous spasm of the scalenes, is where it nearly where it should be, or was while I was in the osteopath's office this afternoon. Tonight, I will try working a bit to see how activity affects my pain level: I chopped an onion and minced garlic already tonight (no mean feat for my level of TOS). I can, unfortunately, already feel that the pain decrease is begi nning to wear off. What does all this mean? I'm not sure yet. But I'll keep you all posted as I get more questions or even some answers as to whether putting the spasm in my sc alenes to sleep helps inthe long run. My best to all, Kris montgome@sonoma.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jun 28 23:35:50 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA05880; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:35:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:40:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290340.AA03732@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5860; Tue, 28 Jun 94 23:40:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1142; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:40:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8087; Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:40:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9359; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:40:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:30:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carolyn Carleton Subject: Cambridge, MA, RSI ACTION X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND hi folks, The first meeting of RSI Action, an activist group to adress RSI, happened tonight. since it hurts me to type, i can't summarize it here (as someone had suggested). Perhaps someone else who reads Sorehand will do so. It was nice for me to meet some other Sorehand readers. Sorry to take up bandwidth for the rest of this note: A woman who drove down from New Hampshire was talking to me afterwards. I'm sorry that I didn't think to offer her my email address. If she is reading this, I have some information for her. She should email me privately. Thanks, qi@acs.bu.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 00:18:03 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA06817; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:18:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:22:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290422.AA04387@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6090; Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:22:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1784; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:22:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9590; Tue, 28 Jun 94 21:22:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1594; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:22:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:20:09 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Merryl Gross Subject: Donna Sims' pain X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND "Donna Sims - AADSS Secretary" wrote: >1) Will the wrist bandage really help? Maybe, maybe not. If it fits tightly and presses on the tendon sheiths, it can make things WORSE. Have you been resting your wrists on your wrist rest as you type? You say that the pain is only on the right side. Do you use a mouse or other pointing device, or do you use the phone a lot and it is on your right side? All of these can contribute. Try moving your mouse to the left side for an hour or two a day. Which two fingers are numb? If they are the little and ring finger, your problem could be in the shoulder. Is your mouse on a surface higher than the keyboard? This is a very bad thing and could cause compression in the shoulder. >2) When do I wear the bandage - while I am using the keyboard or in > the evenings when I experience pain? You might do better to put ice on your wrist in the evenings when you're in pain, and not use the bandage. You might want to use it when you sleep if you think you're sleeping with a bent wrist. >3) Are there any other things that I could do to help reduce the symptoms? - Make sure you take regular breaks. - Watch how you are working. - Think about talking to your company's medical service or to a doctor. - Think positively and keep watching the list! I hope this helps. As always, please remember I am not a medical person, just a fellow sufferer with a dangerous knowledge of ergonomics. Merryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Human Factors, Usability, Ergonomics, User Interface Design. Whatever you call it, if your product needs more of it, call me! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Merryl J. Gross merryl@aol.com 817-656-5154 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 00:31:29 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA06825; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:31:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:35:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290435.AA04545@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6134; Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:35:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1890; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:35:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0021; Tue, 28 Jun 94 21:35:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2077; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:35:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:12:00 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Kluge Keyboard? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Suppose one built a keyboard that essentially looked like this: > Take two joysticks (or anything else molded to the hand), put 5 switches > on each, and presto - a 10 key keyboard that one could use while resting > one's hands in one's lap. With a bit of software it would be trivial > to build up any kind of chording or multi-stroke keyboard you wanted. > If I find something cheap and easy enough to make You have essentially described The BAT. Infogrip, 800/397-0921 Gary Karp Onsight From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 00:48:47 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA06852; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:48:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:03:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9406290403.AA04077@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5987; Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:03:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1524; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:03:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8802; Tue, 28 Jun 94 21:03:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0264; Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:03:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:01:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Where is RSI Network Newsletter? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406281900.AA04172@world.std.com> Dale - you can ftp or gopher to world.std.com. Issues are also archived in on ".cpt" file on sumex and its mirrors. I believe issues are archived on soda.berkeley.edu. Finally, there is a WAIS host and I will publish that info in Issue 18 (June 94). ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 11:19:07 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA07868; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:19:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 10:54:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291454.AA09820@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9215; Wed, 29 Jun 94 10:54:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0628; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 10:54:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0777; Wed, 29 Jun 94 07:54:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9656; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 07:54:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 10:49:47 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Charlene Laue Organization: USF Health Sciences Center Subject: Exercise Schedule X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Karen: I know what you mean. It seems impossible to have any kind of social life by the time you schedule your exercises, etc. I am doing cervical exercises in the morning before I leave for work. Three times a week I have exercise therapy, 4-5 times a week I walk 3 miles. Every evening I do cervical and lumbar exercises. How does one find time to anything else but work and exercise?! Chickie From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 11:19:34 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id LAA07873; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:19:30 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 11:11:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291511.AA10142@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9394; Wed, 29 Jun 94 11:10:40 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1177; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:10:40 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1823; Wed, 29 Jun 94 08:10:58 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0437; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 08:10:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:39:00 GMT Reply-To: root@paul.hacktic.nl Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Paul Ulenbelt Organization: My Home Computer in Leiden, Holland Subject: Re: Cambridge, MA, RSI ACTION X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Carolyn Carleton writes: > >The first meeting of RSI Action, an activist group to adress RSI, >happened tonight. since it hurts me to type, i can't summarize it here >(as someone had suggested). Perhaps someone else who reads Sorehand will >do so. I hope there is somone. in september some Dutch Unions will meet on RSI. We will specially invite victoms of RS. We are still discussing the aproach. So info from abroad may be helpful to us. ------------------------ ;-) -------------------------------------------- Paul Ulenbelt e-mail: ulenbelt@paul.hacktic.nl Industry Workers Union / Dept Health and Safety / Amsterdam / Netherlands -------------------------------------------------- ;-)------------------- From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 12:48:24 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA08236; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:48:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 12:52:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291652.AA11858@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0453; Wed, 29 Jun 94 12:52:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4138; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:52:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8939; Wed, 29 Jun 94 09:52:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7715; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 09:52:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:51:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." Subject: Kinesis X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406291531.LAA07400@umbc3.umbc.edu> After a year and a half of havning tendonitus, I've been seeking medical treatment and solutions. This summer, I wanted to rest them, but they don't seem to be getting better (haven't found good medical advice.) Next semester I will be attending a MIT program in policy. (not CS thankgod.) It worries me an great deal because I'll still be using computers alot so I've considered getting a Kinesis. I've also been reading this group, as well as the RSI: a computer users guide. Advice seems to be to keep ones hands moving and fluid, out of static positions. Now this keyboard brags that it keeps movement down, which would seem like a good thing but, also, it seems the users rest their wrists on the keyboard, and it might have a more static position. (But it is supposed to keep one from bad postures and movements with the more efficient design.) Does anyone have an opinion on this, on the keyboards in general? Regards, | Not only must one see what is there, but not Joseph M. Reagle Jr. | see what is not there. - F. Herbert: Dune. reagle@umbc.edu | http://umbc8.umbc.edu/~reagle/home.html From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 12:48:54 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA08241; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:48:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 11:28:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291528.AA10478@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9605; Wed, 29 Jun 94 11:27:45 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1712; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:27:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2990; Wed, 29 Jun 94 08:28:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1986; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 08:28:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 09:26:40 MST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Patricia Johnson X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND unsubscribe SOREHAND ******************************************************************************** *** Patricia A. Johnson Internet : Lib_acquisit@hg.uleth.ca Technical Services Phone : (403) 329-2269 The University of Lethbridge Library FAX : (403) 329-2022 4401 University Drive Lethbridge, Alberta T1K 3M4 CANADA From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 14:11:06 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA08592; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 14:11:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 14:15:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291815.AA13291@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1310; Wed, 29 Jun 94 14:15:26 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6400; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 14:15:26 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4230; Wed, 29 Jun 94 11:15:43 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1873; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:15:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:14:00 GMT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dave Marutiak Subject: Kinesis X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I haven't experienced a Kinesis, but did watch some people using them and noticed the same tendency to rest the wrists directly on the keyboard, wondering how that affected the tendonitis. I purchased the Comfort keyboard, put the number pad into the middle position instead of at the right, and tilted the two QWERTY pads so they allow me to type with my hands almost vertical instead of horizontal. It seems to help immensely, and when combined with typing gloves allows me to go for hours without as much pain as a regular keyboard. dave marutiak From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 15:18:46 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA08943; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 15:18:44 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:08:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291708.AA12131@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0612; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:07:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4559; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:07:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9787; Wed, 29 Jun 94 10:07:58 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8456; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 10:07:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 10:06:17 +0800 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dennis Montgomery Subject: Re: Kinesis X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >users guide. Advice seems to be to keep ones hands moving and fluid, out I believe this to be true and that my RSI problems were caused by not taking breaks but typing...typing...typing all day. I tried out a kinesis and found my forearm tendonitis felt much worse after a couple hours. Instead, I got a Comfort systems kybd and can type for extended time without pain (I also use Command Corp In3 speech recognition on my Sun workstation). Dennis From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 16:54:53 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA09213; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:54:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 15:46:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9406291946.AA14916@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2253; Wed, 29 Jun 94 15:46:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8940; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 15:46:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0252; Wed, 29 Jun 94 12:46:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6904; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:46:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:45:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Pushing fingers together X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Karen Whitehouse wrote: >>I think the theory behind the two-finger middle hole is to keep the two "halves" of the hand together. I don't know a whole lot about anatomy, but as Spock's "live long and prosper" position indicates, the ring and middle fingers' spread is noticeably wider than the index-middle or ring-pinky spread. This might cause people to hyperextend that middle spread, causing mucho problems in the middle of the hand. Perhaps the fact that you have to pull against the glove to type "normally" means that you normally spread your hand too widely. I know I probably push my ring fingers too far out.<< Following this discussion I am looking at my hands ... on my left hand my ring and middle finger are close together with large spaces between my little/ring and middle/index fingers. The spacing is not so pronounced on my right hand. My fingers do not "naturally" go together as other's hands seeme to (I've noticed). The spacing is also wider than "most" I've observed. I do touch type and wonder if the combined hole would restrict motion at all. Joy linnj@ucs.orst.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 16:55:24 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA09218; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:55:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:02:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9406292002.AA15254@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2427; Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:01:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9373; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:01:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1134; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:01:47 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7615; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:01:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:16:25 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Re: fingerless gloves X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In message <9406281555.aa25019@post.demon.co.uk> SOREHAND@ucsfvm.earn writes: > > I really like my HandEze gloves, and think they're worth the price. They > > > I don't have their address, but I do have the toll free number for information: > (800) 432-4352 > I understand they're also sold at many craft supply shops. > Does anyone know if they can be bought in England? I sent a fax to Dome, the manufacturers, but had no reply. -- (ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 16:56:12 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA09224; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:56:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:21:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9406292021.AA15479@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2638; Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:20:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9918; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:20:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2259; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:20:55 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8516; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:20:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:11:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: Pushing fingers together To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Joy wrote >>my ring and middle finger are close together with large spaces >>between my little/ring and middle/index fingers. The spacing is not Well, maybe I'm the strange one, then. Perhaps my middle space was created by too much vulcanizing. There does seem to be a structural break, though, because people tend to have numbness in two fingers at a time, depending on what's being pinched. Could someone perhaps explain the structure of the hand to me? I'm very curious. If you don't want to take up list space, send to kwhitehouse@computer.org. Thanks! Karen From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 16:56:26 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA09229; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:56:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:42:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9406292042.AA15889@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2873; Wed, 29 Jun 94 16:41:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0502; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:41:47 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3493; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:42:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9462; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:42:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 01:40:57 MST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Don Jones Subject: removal from this list X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND How can I be removed from the mailing list? From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 18:21:57 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id SAA09748; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:21:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 18:26:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9406292226.AA17475@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3807; Wed, 29 Jun 94 18:26:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3181; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 18:26:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9621; Wed, 29 Jun 94 15:26:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9663; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 15:26:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 10:26:06 GMT+1200 Reply-To: nstanger@commerce.otago.ac.nz Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nigel Stanger Subject: Re: Pushing fingers together X-To: KWhiteho@computer.org, SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >From: Karen Whitehouse > Joy wrote > > >>my ring and middle finger are close together with large spaces > >>between my little/ring and middle/index fingers. The spacing is not > > Well, maybe I'm the strange one, then. Perhaps my middle space was > created by too much vulcanizing. There does seem to be a structural > break, though, because people tend to have numbness in two fingers at > a time, depending on what's being pinched. Could someone perhaps > explain the structure of the hand to me? I'm very curious. If you From what I can remember of what my doctor once told me, the ulnar nerve links t o the little finger and the _outer_half of the ring finger, and the median nerve links to the other fingers + the _inner_ half od the ring finger. Something like that any way (I don't claim to be any expert on anatomy, so correct me if I'm wrong :) I sometimes wonder about the design of the human body -- it's really weird. Mayb e the developers were having a hangover that day :) :) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nigel Stanger, Internet: stanger@otago.ac.nz University of Otago, Phone: +64 3 479-8179 Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND. Fax: +64 3 479-8311 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 20:16:32 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id UAA10297; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 20:16:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 20:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9406300021.AA19084@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4476; Wed, 29 Jun 94 20:20:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5100; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 20:20:47 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5178; Wed, 29 Jun 94 17:21:02 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3564; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 17:21:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 20:20:19 -0400 Reply-To: Dan Wallach Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Wallach Subject: Re: Kinesis X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 29 Jun 1994 12:51:40 EDT. > I've also been reading this group, as well as the RSI: a computer >users guide. Advice seems to be to keep ones hands moving and fluid, out >of static positions. Now this keyboard brags that it keeps movement >down, which would seem like a good thing but, also, it seems the users >rest their wrists on the keyboard, and it might have a more static >position. (But it is supposed to keep one from bad postures and >movements with the more efficient design.) > Does anyone have an opinion on this, on the keyboards in general? An earlier message described problems with the Kinesis and a preference for the Comfort Keyboard. I'll be more general and say that keyboards and chairs are a personal decision. Just like you wouldn't buy shoes without trying them on, you shouldn't buy a keyboard without trying it yourself. Most keyboard vendors offer something like a 30-day money back guarantee. Take advantage of this! I can say that the Kinesis has worked fine and dandy for me for a year and a half with no real problems. I had some initial thumb pains while getting used to it, but I took it easy and my thumbs acclimated. Other keyboards have longer start-up times (i.e.: chording keyboards), but significantly shorter finger travel once you're used to them. Still others are hardly different from most factory-original keyboards, giving quick start-up, but less long-term benefit. Summary #1: What works for me won't necessarily work for you. Try them yourself and make up your own mind. About the Kinesis wrist rests: Properly, a Kinesis user shouldn't be resting their wrists while typing. Rather, for those little pauses when you're thinking of what to type next, they've provided a nicer way to rest your arms than on the corner of a table. Also, the builtin wrist rests also encourage your wrists to be straight when typing. Everybody recommends this kind of posture, and it's nice when the keyboard makes it easy to type "correctly". Dan From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Wed Jun 29 23:41:58 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA10656; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:41:54 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Jun 94 23:46:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9406300346.AA21363@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5605; Wed, 29 Jun 94 23:46:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8194; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:46:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3699; Wed, 29 Jun 94 20:46:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8745; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 20:46:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 23:45:50 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: TMC909@AOL.COM Subject: Your Input Needed! X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi all, I'm the author of "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome & Overuse Injuries: Prevention, Treatment and Recovery", published in 1992 by North Atlantic Books, and I'm finishing up work on a new book on CTS. I'm looking for anyone out there who's experienced the symptoms of CTS or similar injuries - how you got it, what kind of doctor you saw, what the treatment was, how you felt/feel, what changes you've made in your lifestyle and/or work habits, dealing with insurance companies and supervisors, and just ANYTHING that someone looking for information on these injuries might welcome. Just e-mail me a paragraph or two (or ?), be sure to give me your permission to publish a quote or two (no names will be used to protect your privacy), and I guarantee your thoughts will help someone out there looking for answers. It's sometimes difficult to get ALL the answers from our health care practitioners, and we need to rely on each other to become informed on treatment options, prevention, alternatives to surgery, etc. Thanks, I look forward to hearing from you! Tammy Crouch TMC909@aol.com or on Prodigy, Medical Support BB, "Other Medical" From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Thu Jun 30 23:22:25 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id XAA01155; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 23:22:21 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Jun 94 23:26:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407010326.AA09664@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5176; Thu, 30 Jun 94 23:25:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4980; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 23:25:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4691; Thu, 30 Jun 94 20:26:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5902; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 20:26:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 23:24:59 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: TMC909@AOL.COM Subject: Carpal Tunnel Book X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To all, WOW! I just checked my mailbox on AOL and it was FULL of your responses to my request for your CTS experiences. I can't thank you enough for your willingness to share a part of yourselves! And thanks for your kind words on the first book - it makes MY CTS experience worth it to know it helped someone. Keep those e-mails coming, and I'm enjoying hearing from you all! Tammy From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 01:01:32 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA01913; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:01:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 01:05:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9407010505.AA10739@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5639; Fri, 01 Jul 94 01:04:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6428; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:04:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8374; Thu, 30 Jun 94 22:05:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0294; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 22:05:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 21:10:18 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Handeze X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A point of clarification. Dome is not the manufacturer of Handeze Gloves. They are a reseller, as am I. They are made by the Therapeutic Appliance Group in Woonsocket, RI. Don't you love the name of the town? Gary Karp Onsight 1510 Eddy Street, Suite 1511 San Francisco 94115 415/749-1983 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 01:56:27 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id BAA01971; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:56:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 01:05:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9407010505.AA10753@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5643; Fri, 01 Jul 94 01:05:36 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6437; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:05:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8414; Thu, 30 Jun 94 22:05:49 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0325; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 22:05:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 21:20:33 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Kinesis X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I chose the Maltron, similar in concept to the Kinesis. The Kinesis is designed with the keys lower than the upper surface of the keyboard, so inclines someone more easily to place the wrists on the keyboard surface as they type. Also, the thumb keys are higher than the finger keys, which tends to elevate the wrist, but felt uncomfortable to me. The keys are smaller on the Kinesis than the Maltron, and require a bit more pressure. In the end, I found the Maltron more comfortable, and like it very much. I don't, however, like the middle keys of the thumb groups. They are hard to hit comfortably, and the Kinesis has made the middle key two high and angled back slightly, which seems better to me. The Maltron also has the ESC key just above the tab key, and I hit it by accident often, which is a real drag. The Kinesis also has some programming capabilities, is better looking (if that matters a lot to you) and is cheaper (which may not matter to you if your insurance carrier is not too horrible). I agree with the previous comments that this is very much a matter of personal taste. Try them if you can. Folks in the Bay Area can look forward to resource night at the San Francisco RSI group in November where a numbe of keyboards will be present. Also the UCSF Office Ergonomics course will be August 4-5, including a session with these, and other, keyboards on hand (so to speak) in a session I am organizing. For info call 510/231-5645. I do not sell the Maltron. Get information from Jim Barrett Applied Learning Corp. 215/688-6866 The nicest guy you could meet. My first kbd was a little buggy electrically. He sent me a fresh one no questions asked, and it has been clean since - almost a year. Final word. Some people need more relief from pronation than others. I find that the Maltron relieves me of five or so degrees of actual flattening, and that has been enough for me. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 08:28:12 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id IAA03007; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:28:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 08:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9407011232.AA14676@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8029; Fri, 01 Jul 94 08:31:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2990; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:31:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7662; Fri, 01 Jul 94 05:31:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6971; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 05:31:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:30:06 EDT Reply-To: reid@acadia.image.Kodak.COM Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: James Reid Subject: VISI anyone? X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Greetings SOREHAND alumnus! I have been diagnosed as having Volar Intercalated Segmental Instability (VISI). This has caused me to experience Dorsal Wrist Tendonitis. I have "sore wrists" more than anything. My Orthopedist suggested that methods for dealing with this vary, and that for every five patients he diagnoses with it, they find five different solutions. "Whatever works for you." Before I embark on my mission to live with this problem, I was curious if anyone else on this mailing list has either VISI or this particular form of Tendonitis? And if so, what have you done to deal with it? Thanks very much in advance, James Reid reid@kodak.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 09:27:35 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA03077; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:27:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 09:31:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9407011331.AA15177@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8531; Fri, 01 Jul 94 09:31:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4472; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:31:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0542; Fri, 01 Jul 94 06:31:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9051; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 06:31:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:31:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dick Woline Subject: Re: Kinesis X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND On Thu, 30 Jun 1994, Gary L. Karp wrote: > I agree with the previous comments that this is very much a matter of > personal taste. Try them if you can. Does anyone know where we Connecticut folks can try out these keyboard products? New York City would be OK. Dick Woline dkwoline@minerva.cis.yale.edu From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 10:28:07 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA03314; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:28:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 10:09:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407011409.AA15665@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8877; Fri, 01 Jul 94 10:09:31 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5469; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:09:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3250; Fri, 01 Jul 94 07:09:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0938; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:09:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:11:15 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Peace be with you." Subject: workings of the hand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND On 29-Jun-1994 Nigel Stanger wrote regarding Karen Whitehouse and Joy ? questions about the function/design of the hand: >>From: Karen Whitehouse >> Joy wrote >>> my ring and middle finger are close together with large spaces >>> between my little/ring and middle/index fingers. The spacing is not >> Well, maybe I'm the strange one, then. Perhaps my middle space was >> created by too much vulcanizing. There does seem to be a structural >> break, though, because people tend to have numbness in two fingers at >> a time, depending on what's being pinched. Could someone perhaps >> explain the structure of the hand to me? I'm very curious. If you Nigel replied: > From what I can remember of what my doctor once told me, the ulnar nerve links > to the little finger and the _outer_half of the ring finger, and the median > nerve links to the other fingers + the _inner_ half of the ring finger. > Something like that any way (I don't claim to be any expert on anatomy, so > correct me if I'm wrong :) > I sometimes wonder about the design of the human body -- it's really weird. > Maybe the developers were having a hangover that day :) :) That's a pretty good description of the inervation of the fingers. After studying the mechanics of the hand for 10 years, I do have to disagree with his condemnation of the design. All of the body is designed with redundant systems. There are always more nerves, muscles to control critial functions. That way if something goes wrong there is still a chance for life to be normal. Only when a bunch of things go wrong do we start to have problems. To see what really can go wrong when you loose motor and sensory function observe a few Hansen's disease patients. If the median or ulnar nerve goes out, then the fingers claw and the thumb can not be raised out of the plane of the palm. Not to metion what can happen if you don't have sensory feedback. Paul Brand's book Clinical Mechanics of the Hand(Mosby $70?) can give much insight into the mechanics of the hand. There is not much related to RSI in the book, however. There are many outstanding books related to describing the hand and muscle/nerve functions. The Hand(four volumes $900) edited by Rahoul Tubiana is an excellent reference. It is a bit expensive, but you could always hit the local med school library and look it over for info. Dave ******************************************************************************** Dave Giurintano Paul Brand Biomechanics Lab GW Long Hansen's Disease Center Carville, LA 70721 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 12:36:31 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id MAA03909; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:36:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 12:40:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9407011640.AA17932@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0760; Fri, 01 Jul 94 12:40:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1896; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:40:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4349; Fri, 01 Jul 94 09:40:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3852; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:40:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:39:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." Subject: Gloves X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406300051.UAA20600@umbc3.umbc.edu> Another thought about gloves, I had been wearing some very 'sleek' isotoners (thin stretchy material) for a while in an attempt to keep my hands warm and found that the tightness could actually be restricing the blood flow, so I stopped. But I also have a 'winter' normal pair that wouldn't fit me so tightly. (A therapist gave me the original gloves when I inquired about them, they are the type they give to burn victims...she was not at all knowledeable) Is this more like what others wear? (BTW: I got a call from perhaps the first docotr to take me seriously, and told me my cold stress test showed that I am 'vesospastic?' I'm somewhat relieved, that someone found something, I still think I have something more general (tendonitus) hopefully he can find out.) Regards, | Not only must one see what is there, but not Joseph M. Reagle Jr. | see what is not there. - F. Herbert: Dune. reagle@umbc.edu | http://umbc8.umbc.edu/~reagle/home.html From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 15:30:56 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA04535; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 15:30:54 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 15:34:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407011934.AA20142@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2373; Fri, 01 Jul 94 15:34:24 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6267; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 15:34:24 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5611; Fri, 01 Jul 94 12:34:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6372; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:34:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:32:18 MST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Don Jones Subject: removal from this list X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu, dick@ccnext.ucsf.edu, rrvh80@email.sps.mot.com To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Help---- How do I remove myself from the sorehands mailing list. Thanks in Advance, Don Jones From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 16:49:51 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA04737; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:49:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 15:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9407011953.AA20327@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2580; Fri, 01 Jul 94 15:53:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6828; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 15:53:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6681; Fri, 01 Jul 94 12:53:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7157; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:53:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:52:40 PST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: joy colton Subject: Re: removal from this list X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND **ERROR** LONG FROM FIELD. FIELD WAS CUT. OLD FIELD WAS: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Help---- How do I remove myself from the sorehands mailing list. Thanks in Advance, Don Jones I'd like to know also. Joy Colton From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 16:50:16 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id QAA04742; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:50:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:01:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9407012001.AA20443@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2662; Fri, 01 Jul 94 16:01:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7042; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:01:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7310; Fri, 01 Jul 94 13:01:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7752; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 13:01:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:00 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Ena Brown, CHHD-Penn State" Subject: carpal tunnel X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi, I'm new at the net and I'm not sure who I'm writing to. But someone told me to write to this address for more carpal tunnel info. I'm specifically interested in a splint; I have a wide forearm. Thanks. Ena Brown From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 19:23:18 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA05228; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 19:23:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:03:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9407012103.AA21361@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3236; Fri, 01 Jul 94 17:03:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8655; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:03:05 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0575; Fri, 01 Jul 94 14:03:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1562; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:03:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:04:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Michael Wiesenberg Subject: Re: removal from this list X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Undoubtedly you've received thousands of replies to your question, but just in case, from the FAQ: You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF SOREHAND" command to LISTSERV@UCSFVM.BITNET (or LISTSERV@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU). Please note that this command must NOT be sent to the list address (SOREHAND@UCSFVM) but to the LISTSERV address (LISTSERV@UCSFVM). From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Fri Jul 1 19:32:20 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id TAA05244; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 19:32:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jul 94 18:24:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407012224.AA22363@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3818; Fri, 01 Jul 94 18:23:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0131; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 18:23:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4986; Fri, 01 Jul 94 15:24:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5120; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 15:24:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 15:23:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Forearm pain - need advice X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi, I have had tendonitis in my left wrist for several years but that's not the current problem. Currently I appear to have a muscle in my forearm that has been injured and I can't seem to get it healed. Description of muscle location - With forearm in "handshake" position (palm vertical) muscle is at about 11 o'clock on the forearm, it appears to attach (my muscles are not that well defined) on the thumb side of the wrist and the little finger side of the elbow. It is most aggravated in the prone position. It is also aggravated when sitting in a chair, such as in class or at a conference, and resting the arm in my lap, or extending it over the built-in desk to hold a paper (because of the tendonitis I tend not to use my hand to hold the paper, or use a clip board). The doctor has not found any nerve entrapment symptoms, such as tennis elbow. It seems to be isolated to the muscle. Once the pain radiated up and down my arm and was quite acute. If anyone has any suggestions on how to help this problem I would most appreciate it. I am hoping to get a Comfort keyboard (seems best with pronation problems) when I get a job (currently an unemployed grad student). So far I have iced, and anti-inflammed it but with only temporary respite. Thanks. I really enjoy this group. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jul 2 13:49:41 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id NAA07488; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 13:49:39 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 2 Jul 94 12:52:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9407021652.AA00634@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6914; Sat, 02 Jul 94 12:52:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8638; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 12:52:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8574; Sat, 02 Jul 94 09:52:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6586; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 09:52:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 12:51:48 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: mouse mits and air mice X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Anybody know of a source for a thing called a Mouse Mit? Or an Air Mouse? And what *are* these? Thanks. From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jul 2 14:19:39 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA07531; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 14:19:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 2 Jul 94 14:04:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9407021804.AA01133@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7079; Sat, 02 Jul 94 14:04:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9089; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 14:04:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0211; Sat, 02 Jul 94 11:04:49 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8354; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 11:04:49 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 11:04:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: computer access for motor impaired population (fwd) X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome-Tendonitis To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A woman I know posted this request on another mailing list I am on. I offered to post it to this group as I thought there would likely be information for her out there. Please reply to sguerlai@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu. Thanks for your help. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 21:20:20 EDT From: Stephanie A Guerlain To: students.chi@xerox.com, ohfnews@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, cstg-l.bitnet@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: computer access for motor impaired population I'm interested in finding out about software and hardware options for people who are severely motor impaired (such as Lou Gehrig's disease patients). I recently saw a Morse code program called WSKE by Words+, but the interface appeared to be very bad. It took this patient over 3 minutes to type one sentence. Are there any "smart" software programs out there that will make it easy to select words from a dictionary and/or expand an abbreviated word into its full text equivalent, in order to speed up the process of generating text? Finally, what research issues surround this type of a problem? I'm interested in pursuing this for my dissertation, but I am in a Cognitive Engineering program, so just finding an engineering solution is not sufficient for a dissertation. I'm thinking that there may be some information retrieval issues, such as how to make it easy and fast to select words from a large vocabulary and some artificial intelligence issues, such as having the software adapt to its user or perhaps "guess" the next word(s), and some training issues as well. If anyone is interested in this topic or can give me more information, please email me at sguerlai@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Thanks so much, -stephanie guerlain From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sat Jul 2 14:19:54 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA07536; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 14:19:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 2 Jul 94 14:23:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9407021823.AA01179@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7120; Sat, 02 Jul 94 14:23:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9190; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 14:23:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0550; Sat, 02 Jul 94 11:23:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8688; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 11:23:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 14:22:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Forearm pain - need advice X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407012224.AA10018@world.std.com> Joy, I had some thing that sounds similar. I *think* it's tendinitis (or tenosynovitis) of the supinator tendon. (I'm really reaching, but an OT or PT should be able to confirm this). ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Sun Jul 3 17:49:56 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id RAA09928; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 17:49:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 3 Jul 94 17:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9407032154.AA10785@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0185; Sun, 03 Jul 94 17:53:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7445; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 17:53:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7539; Sun, 03 Jul 94 14:53:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7469; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 14:53:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 09:53:18 GMT+1200 Reply-To: nstanger@commerce.otago.ac.nz Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nigel Stanger Subject: Re: workings of the hand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >From: "Peace be with you." >Nigel replied: > >> I sometimes wonder about the design of the human body -- it's really weird. >> Maybe the developers were having a hangover that day :) :) > > That's a pretty good description of the inervation of the fingers. Afte r >studying the mechanics of the hand for 10 years, I do have to disagree with his >condemnation of the design. All of the body is designed with redundant systems. [...etc...] Hm, good point, I hadn't thought of that aspect. Not only is there a lot of redundancy, the human body is incredibly resilient (? is that the right word?) i n terms of recovering from injury. I remember many moons ago when I was a kid, I f ell off my bike and tore open the surface of my left knee (a flap about the size of a 10c piece and maybe 1/4cm deep). It healed up ok, but I found I no longer had any fe eling in the torn area. Now, about 20 years later, I have at least some feeling back i n that part of my knee. It took a long time to come back (maybe 10-12 years), but it ca me back. Of course, I'm not saying that this will happen in all cases, but if the body is given the chance, and the damage is not too bad, it will heal itself in time. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nigel Stanger, Internet: stanger@otago.ac.nz University of Otago, Phone: +64 3 479-8179 Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND. Fax: +64 3 479-8311 From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jul 4 04:58:53 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id EAA25635; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 04:58:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 Jul 94 05:03:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9407040903.AA04096@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2103; Mon, 04 Jul 94 05:02:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2291; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 05:02:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0592; Mon, 04 Jul 94 02:02:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1839; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:02:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:41:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Lini Wollenberg Subject: Re: The Psychology of RSI etc. To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Glad to know you are doing this AND getting so many replies. A. I wonder if you will be including attention to the psychological dimensions of RSI in the book. It has been an significant mental struggle and process of adaptation for me to deal with: (1) the change in my work productivity and need to slow down on all matters (2) the need to be more dependent on other people and ask for help without feeling guilty It would be helpful to reinforce people's ability to ask for help, perhaps by giving pointers on how to communicate their needs, e.g. "Could you please fill in this form for me, I have carpal tunnel syndrome and am under doctor's orders not to use my hands." As straightforward as this may sound, it took me a long time to get up the courage to say anything. Another tip, have someone else communicate your need, e.g. at the airline counter have a companion tell the desk that you will need asisstance with your luggage. For some reason people take you more seriously. (3) people (including friends and relatives) not taking the disability seriously, or, when dealing with strangers, people treating me initially with hostility and suspicion when I ask for help. I think this is partly due to not being able to see a visible handicap. As a result, I have sometimes worn my braces while travelling to communicate the handicap, even though the brace may not be necessary. The difference in response is significant. In the meantime, I still don't know how to respond to people who say "but your hands don't LOOK any different," or "Oh, RSI, the Yuppie Disease." (4) as a "good patient" feeling the cultural norm to constantly press/challenge yourself towards normal behavior. I find myself testing the use of my hands constantly to see what my limits are, otherwise I feel "lazy" or irresponsible. I then find that once I have reached the limit it is already too late...One needs to accept the reality that REAL rest and a wide margin of conservative behavior are needed. I suspect that the self-imposed need to push my limits has probably been the single most important factor that keeps me from resting and therefore hindering my recovery. This is particularly true as I have recently changed jobs and feel that I need to prove my productivity to my new employer. (5) accepting that my hands are likely to never fully recover (6) the stress of all of the above! B. Can you provide tips on "adapting your physical environment." For example, attaching washcloths with rubber bands to faucet knobs to make them easier to turn, using straws to drink from glasses, use a backpack rather than carrying bags, using an electric toothbrush (especially for people with cubital outlet syndrome), etc. Tips on times you might be unknowingly stressing your hands/arms and need to relax them might also be useful: e.g. washing your hair with claw hands, picking at your fingernails or cuticles during times of stress, exercises that involve putting your hands on the floor or wearing wrist weights, dancing, using chopsticks, shaking hands firmly, etc. C. Dealing with hot and cold climates, or quick changes in temperature (e.g. air conditioning). I find that I have to switch my strategies depending on the weather. In hot weather I need to be careful of excessive swelling and avoid wearing constrictive pads or wearing my braces too tighly. In cold, I need to keep my hands warm and wear handeze gloves. I could go on and on...but hope this small amount of information is helpful. Please let me know if you have any questions. I'd be happy to help in any way I can. Of course I give my permission for any of the above to be quoted. Eva Wollenberg L.Wollenberg@cgnet.com Center for International Forestry Research PO Box 6596 JKPWB Jakarta 10065 Indonesia ---------- From: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Subject: Your Input Needed! Date: Wednesday, June 29, 1994 11:45PM Hi all, I'm the author of "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome & Overuse Injuries: Prevention, Treatment and Recovery", published in 1992 by North Atlantic Books, and I'm finishing up work on a new book on CTS. I'm looking for anyone out there who's experienced the symptoms of CTS or similar injuries - how you got it, what kind of doctor you saw, what the treatment was, how you felt/feel, what changes you've made in your lifestyle and/or work habits, dealing with insurance companies and supervisors, and just ANYTHING that someone looking for information on these injuries might welcome. Just e-mail me a paragraph or two (or ?), be sure to give me your permission to publish a quote or two (no names will be used to protect your privacy), and I guarantee your thoughts will help someone out there looking for answers. It's sometimes difficult to get ALL the answers from our health care practitioners, and we need to rely on each other to become informed on treatment options, prevention, alternatives to surgery, etc. Thanks, I look forward to hearing from you! Tammy Crouch TMC909@aol.com or on Prodigy, Medical Support BB, "Other Medical" From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Mon Jul 4 14:18:04 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA26353; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:18:01 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 Jul 94 14:22:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9407041822.AA07657@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3890; Mon, 04 Jul 94 14:21:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7118; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:21:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2228; Mon, 04 Jul 94 11:22:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3624; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 11:22:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:17:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carolyn Carleton Subject: Re: The Psychology of RSI etc. X-To: Lini Wollenberg X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407041441.KAA46583@acs3> lini, wow! that was a good write-up of suggestions for dealing with the psychology of rsi. to add to the list, people often think that someone who is aware that using the hands to do non-typing activities is a problem is just being a hypochondriac or a malingerer. that makes it extra hard for the person to resist doing those activities. here in the u.s.a, it is a big holiday. it's nice to see email activity from other parts of the world. qi From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jul 5 00:31:42 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AAA27687; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 00:31:40 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 00:15:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407050415.AA12202@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5502; Tue, 05 Jul 94 00:15:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1610; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 00:15:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2835; Mon, 04 Jul 94 21:15:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7107; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 21:15:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 20:28:23 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Severely Impaired Info X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > I'm interested in finding out about software and hardware options for > people who are severely motor impaired A company that has developed a number of products for the severely disabled community is Don Johnston Inc. Their catalog includes a number of interesting switches, keyboard and input alternatives, and software, much of which is educational for children. Most of their offerings are for Apple products. They are in Wauconda,Illinois at 800/999-4660. Apple themselves have introduced "Aisle 17" to provide assistive technology by mail order. Call 800/600-7808, or for TTY devices call 800/755-0601. Either of them may be able to point you to resources for the IBM world. Gary Karp Onsight San Francisco From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jul 5 09:49:56 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id JAA28496; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 09:49:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 09:54:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9407051354.AA16196@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7522; Tue, 05 Jul 94 09:53:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7261; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 09:53:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4651; Tue, 05 Jul 94 06:54:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3689; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:54:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:52:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "William C. Meyer Jr." Subject: Mouse Mitt X-To: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Chris: I purchased a pair of Mouse Mitt's from the manufacture MouseMitt Int'l. They are in Scotts Valley , CA, Tel: (408) 335-9599 FAX:(408) 335-9598. I read about the gloves in IEEE SPECTRUM, JUNE 1994, pg. 66. They offer two styles, one is the Computer Glove which has minimum wrist support. The other is the Keyboarder which has a padded support under the wrist. This is the style I purchased and they offer warmth since the fabric is Lycra. The padded area provides cushioning for the Carpal Tunnel and cost $19.95/pair plus shipping. They both have an opening for the thumb which keeps the fingers free. Hope this is helpful info. W. Meyer < WM5S@NIH.GOV > From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jul 5 10:15:31 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id KAA28553; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:15:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 10:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9407051419.AA16515@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7750; Tue, 05 Jul 94 10:19:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7870; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:19:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6518; Tue, 05 Jul 94 07:19:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5651; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 07:19:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:13:00 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Christel Klein Subject: help - need 1-800 number/companyname/address for Handeze in Toronto X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Does anyone know the name/address and 1-800 for the company which sells Handeze gloves in Toronto??? Had it ... but lost it. Please reply Christel Klein a.k.a. cklein@lib.lakeheadu.ca Thanks in advance From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jul 5 14:06:45 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA29332; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:06:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 14:10:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9407051810.AA19467@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0429; Tue, 05 Jul 94 14:10:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5075; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:10:36 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2246; Tue, 05 Jul 94 11:10:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7012; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:10:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:08:13 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: CTS help X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have CTS and would like to know how others have gotten better without surgery. I already use contrast baths, ice, and anti-inflammatories, but need to explore other options. Secondly, how do I know when to give up and proceed with surgery (i.e. before nerve damage occurs)? Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jul 5 14:53:23 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id OAA29592; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:53:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 14:57:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9407051857.AA20206@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0995; Tue, 05 Jul 94 14:57:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6543; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:57:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5374; Tue, 05 Jul 94 11:57:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0759; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:57:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:56:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: CTS help X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I have CTS and would like to know how others have gotten better without > surgery. I already use contrast baths, ice, and anti-inflammatories, > but need to explore other options. Secondly, how do I know when to > give up and proceed with surgery (i.e. before nerve damage occurs)? > Do you really have CTS or do you have RSI? There's a big difference. I highly recommend you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. It has the answers to your questions. Tom From @MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET Tue Jul 5 15:31:32 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.MIT.EDU with SMTP id PAA29830; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 15:31:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 14:11:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9407051811.AA19484@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0437; Tue, 05 Jul 94 14:11:31 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5107; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:11:31 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2299; Tue, 05 Jul 94 11:11:47 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7057; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:11:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:09:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Mouse Mitt X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I purchased a pair of Mouse Mitt's from the manufacture MouseMitt Int'l. > They are in Scotts Valley , CA, Tel: (408) 335-9599 FAX:(408) 335-9598. > According to "RSI, A Computer User's Guide", these mitts could cause injury. I suggest you read this book before wearing these or any other type of splint. It is especially impotant not to start wearing something like this unless a doctor knowledgeable about RSI instructs you to do so. My two cents worth. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 5 20:32:33 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id UAA01174; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 20:32:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jul 94 19:25:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407052325.AA25168@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3656; Tue, 05 Jul 94 19:24:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4139; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 19:24:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9511; Tue, 05 Jul 94 16:25:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8552; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 16:25:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 16:23:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Gloves X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I have CTS and would like to know how others have gotten better without > surgery. I already use contrast baths, ice, and anti-inflammatories, > but need to explore other options. Secondly, how do I know when to > give up and proceed with surgery (i.e. before nerve damage occurs)? > Do you really have CTS or do you have another form of RSI? There's a big difference. CTS is less common for computer users than tendon and muscle problems. I highly recommend you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. It has the answers to your questions. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 09:37:19 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA03268; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:37:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 09:41:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9407061341.AA02975@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7779; Wed, 06 Jul 94 09:41:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5705; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:41:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5656; Wed, 06 Jul 94 06:41:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9829; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 06:41:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:37:28 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Peter S. Cohen" <70254.535@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: DRAGONDICTATE FOR MS-WINDOWS X-To: Sorehand Group To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND OK, OK. Let's clear up some of the questions/confusion. Here is a rundown of features that have been officially announced in the DDWIN product. 1) Full management of W by voice including control of the mouse 2) Dictate directly to your application W instead of a special dictation W from which you C & P 3) DDWIN will "automatically" adjust the command-mode vocabulary as you switch applications. 4) Third party audio board support and where available DD will take advantage of a DSP based board such as the ACPA Most of the DD DOS features are also implemented as well. For example the ability to turn on a small user defined vocabulary. Pricing: DDWIN software only. (software, manual, microphone) Starter $395 Classic $695 Power $1695 DDWIN w/ACPA BOARD Starter $695 Classic $995 Power $1995 FEEL FREE TO CALL OR WRITE ME WITH QUESTIONS. - PETER COHEN 70254,535@COMPUSERVE.COM 508-655-7711 (P) 508-651-2412 (F) CERTIFIED DRAGON RESELLER From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 12:46:38 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA04038; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 12:46:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 12:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9407061651.AA05323@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9874; Wed, 06 Jul 94 12:50:49 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1703; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 12:50:49 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7705; Wed, 06 Jul 94 09:51:03 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6087; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:51:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 12:49:12 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Great success with Dr. Mehaffy To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 06/28/94 19:07 This is exactly the kind of treatment I'm getting - with electrical stimulation thrown in there - from my doctor. In the Pennsylvania area, outside Philadelphia, thats Dr.Mark Brandl - Audubon, PA. If you need a phone number, I can provide that also. This treatment is the only treatment that has significantly done any good for me. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 13:26:46 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA04151; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:26:44 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 13:31:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407061731.AB05914@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0242; Wed, 06 Jul 94 13:30:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2762; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:30:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0204; Wed, 06 Jul 94 10:31:04 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9723; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:31:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:28:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Tendonitis to CTS? X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am curious - has anyone seen anything or know anything about whether or not untreated tendonitis could lead to CTS? I know my initial tendonitis symptoms included all the primary CTS symptoms but I also know that I was in the doctors office within a week of developing pain I could not relieve. I credit this to being scared by seeing women in their 40's with curled up hands from CTS when I was working at Vocational Rehabilitation Division for the state. I wasn't going to let that happen to me. Any how, I am curious...thanks. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 14:02:11 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA04242; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 14:02:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 13:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9407061712.AA05713@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0068; Wed, 06 Jul 94 13:11:40 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2290; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8873; Wed, 06 Jul 94 10:11:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7826; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:11:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:09:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Really CTS? X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom Knotts writes: >>Do you really have CTS or do you have RSI? There's a big difference. I highly recommend you buy the book "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter. ISBN 0-471-59530-0 paperback. It has the answers to your questions. Tom << I agree with the recommendation of the book (I followed the recommendation and got it a few days ago) - it will provide useful background information. However, I am concerned about the CTS or RSI phrase. RSI (repetitive strain injury) actually represents a group of injuries caused by repetitive strain. You may have an RSI, or several but not just RSI. Among the injuries associated with repetitive strain are: tendonitis (wrist, elbow, shoulder, etc.), tenosynovitis, carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS - the current buzzword), many (most?) back injuries, etc. RSI is synonomous with CTD - cumulative trauma disorder(s). Maybe I'm just being picky here but... Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 14:02:48 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA04253; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 14:02:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 13:18:42 -0400 Message-Id: <9407061718.AA05778@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0135; Wed, 06 Jul 94 13:18:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2463; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:18:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9203; Wed, 06 Jul 94 10:17:40 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8636; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:17:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:13:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Re: CTS Help X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Steve Hansen wrote: >>I have CTS and would like to know how others have gotten better without surgery. I already use contrast baths, ice, and anti-inflammatories, but need to explore other options. Secondly, how do I know when to give up and proceed with surgery (i.e. before nerve damage occurs)? Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com<< Steve, Of course you know that surgery is your last resort. It also is no guarantee of the elimination of your symptoms. I've heard mixed results. Of course, the results are better when there is no nerve damage. You didn't mention rest in your attempts to relieve your symptoms. In addition, we may be better able to provide you with guidance if you mentioned the degree of symptoms you have. How long have you been dealing with CTS? Is it a confirmed diagnosis? (I just ask because that was my initial dx but it was changed after seeing a neurologist who found no nerve conduction problems.) Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 17:01:49 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA05150; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:01:48 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 15:49:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9407061949.AA08060@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2128; Wed, 06 Jul 94 15:48:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8858; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 15:48:40 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9988; Wed, 06 Jul 94 12:48:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0862; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 12:48:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 12:46:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Evans Subject: Re: Tendonitis to CTS? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407061749.KAA22043@cygnus.com> (message from Joy Linn on Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:28:53 -0700) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:28:53 -0700 From: Joy Linn I am curious - has anyone seen anything or know anything about whether or not untreated tendonitis could lead to CTS? Seems reasonable to believe that it can. The inflamed tendons impinge on the median nerve enough and voila. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 18:49:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA05533; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:49:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 18:53:42 -0400 Message-Id: <9407062253.AA11043@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3987; Wed, 06 Jul 94 18:53:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3651; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:53:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0588; Wed, 06 Jul 94 15:53:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1429; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 15:53:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 15:45:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Mark wrote: >>I see that there are several like keyboards in the archive, the >>ErgoLogic and ErgoMax. But I couldn't find any more info on them. >>Does anyone have info on who to contact about these keyboards? >>Many thanks! >>---Mark ErgoLogic Enterprises make the ErgoLogic keyboard. Their address is 47000 Warm Springs Blvd., Unit 430, Fremont, CA 94539-7467, phone (800) ONLY-WAY. According to the FAQ on keyboard alternatives of March 5, the price for this PC keyboard is $399. FlexPro is the same keyboard sold under a different name (and for slightly more money) by many clone vendors and PC shops; for info on the FlexPro, call (800) 262-6006. Ergo Max is made by Maxi Switch (all this info is from the FAQ), phone (602) 294-5450. The price cited is $99 + $19.95 for a separate 40-key keyboard. Any of this info could be outdated by now. Anyone who is shopping for a new keyboard should retrieve the new FAQ from rtfm.mit.edu in the pub/usenet/news.answers/typing-injury-faq/keyboards directory. Now I'm going to go home and ice my wrists. Karen From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 19:32:31 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA05599; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 19:32:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 17:45:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9407062145.AA09867@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3472; Wed, 06 Jul 94 17:45:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2271; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:45:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7351; Wed, 06 Jul 94 14:45:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8542; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 14:45:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 14:44:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Mark A. DeLoura" Subject: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've been using a Comfort keyboard for the past couple of months, on loan from a local company under the assumption that I was going to purchase it. Unfortunately, my company has changed its mind, and now says that it wants to pursue other options first. Agh! My hands really like the angles of the Comfort-- but not the price. I see that there are several like keyboards in the archive, the ErgoLogic and ErgoMax. But I couldn't find any more info on them. Does anyone have info on who to contact about these keyboards? Many thanks! ---Mark (Oh-- I'm also headed to my first acupuncture session this Friday-- any stories on what to expect would be gratefully received. :-) ) ============================================================================== Mark A. DeLoura sci.virtual-worlds.apps co-mod Loral ADS, Bellevue WA Work: mdeloura@bvu-lads.loral.com Real-Time Systems Engineer Home: madsax@netcom.com Sax player, Graphics hacker, Runner From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 19:40:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA05613; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 19:40:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 19:44:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9407062344.AA11690@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4313; Wed, 06 Jul 94 19:44:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4561; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 19:44:15 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2712; Wed, 06 Jul 94 16:44:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3537; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:44:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:42:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I've been using a Comfort keyboard for the past couple of months, > on loan from a local company under the assumption that I was going to > purchase it. Unfortunately, my company has changed its mind, and > now says that it wants to pursue other options first. Agh! > My hands really like the angles of the Comfort-- but not the price. buy it yourself if need be. it's a lot cheaper than a lifetime of unemployment. tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 6 23:08:18 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id XAA05931; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 23:08:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jul 94 23:12:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9407070312.AA14073@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5613; Wed, 06 Jul 94 23:12:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8315; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 23:12:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2105; Wed, 06 Jul 94 20:12:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3865; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:12:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 23:12:14 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Really CTS? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In an article on 7-5-94 Joy Linn writes: >However, I am concerned about the CTS or RSI phrase. RSI (repetitive >strain injury) actually represents a group of injuries caused by >repetitive strain. You may have an RSI, or several but not just RSI. >Among the injuries associated with repetitive strain are: tendonitis >(wrist, elbow, shoulder, etc.), tenosynovitis, carpal tunnel syndrome >(CTS - the current buzzword), many (most?) back injuries, etc. RSI >is synonomous with CTD - cumulative trauma disorder(s). >Maybe I'm just being picky here but... >Joy Linn Not picky, just accurate. Another thing to remember is that some "treatments" or what we more commonly referr to as modalities, do very little to correct the original problem. Many RSIs will respond well over time to strengthening and stretching exercises provided. The modalities decrease the pain and effects of inflamation so that the victim is able to begin a treatment program. Evan Kay From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 09:09:50 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA07554; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:09:48 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 09:14:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071314.AA19550@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7788; Thu, 07 Jul 94 09:13:55 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4545; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:13:55 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8784; Thu, 07 Jul 94 06:14:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5732; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 06:14:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 08:13:07 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rebecca Koscik Subject: Re: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BitNet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Mark writes: I've been using a Comfort keyboard for the past couple of months, on loan from a local company under the assumption that I was going to purchase it. Unfortunately, my company has changed its mind, and now says that it wants to pursue other options first. Agh! My hands really like the angles of the Comfort-- but not the price. I see that there are several like keyboards in the archive, the ErgoLogic and ErgoMax. But I couldn't find any more info on them. Does anyone have info on who to contact about these keyboards? Many thanks! ---Mark (Oh-- I'm also headed to my first acupuncture session this Friday-- any stories on what to expect would be gratefully received. :-) ) ****************** Mark, I've been receiving acupuncture treatments for a couple months now. It is the only thing (besides total inactivity) which has helped relieve my RSI problems. There is nothing to worry about ... any discomfort is minimal and brief, and there are no unpleasant side effects as with the antiinflammatory drugs. Relax and enjoy (and let me know if it helps you, too). Good luck! Rebecca Koscik From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 10:13:36 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id KAA07694; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:13:35 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071418.AA20207@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8581; Thu, 07 Jul 94 10:17:41 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6869; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:17:41 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3149; Thu, 07 Jul 94 07:17:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1331; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:17:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:17:10 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Alice Landy Subject: Response to Steve Hansen (re CTS treatments) and Joy Linn X-To: shansen@adobe.com, linnj@UCS.ORST.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:28:53 -0700 From: Joy Linn Subject: Tendonitis to CTS? I am curious - has anyone seen anything or know anything about whether or not untreated tendonitis could lead to CTS? Tendonitis can indeed lead to CTS, whether it's untreated, unsuccessfully treated, or "you treat it but you also keep doing all the things that gave you tendonitis in the first place." Also, people should realize that there are degrees of CTS, just as there are degrees of tendonitis and other RSIs. Early CTS, or mild CTS, involves mild, *reversible* nerve damage. If you ignore the *reversible* damage, it then progresses to *irreversable* damage, which is what you absolutely don't want. I started out with tendonitis, and beyond icing my wrists and forearms didn't do much about it. (I was already taking anti-inflammatories for another condition, so I didn't change that.) My internist said not to worry, so I didn't. Needless to say, things progressed. When I started getting pins and needles in my fingertips at night, I went to a hand specialist. He did a couple of simple, non-painful tests, and diagnosed CTS: there was some nerve damage, but still mild and therefore reversible. He made me a set of custom splints and told me to wear them every night while sleeping, but at no other time. He also showed me an exercise he wanted me to do, and gave me suggestions for ergonomic changes to my work setting. The good news is that my wrists and hands are now in considerably better shape. Primarily, I credit the splints (which I still wear) and the ergonomic changes. I still cannot pound the keyboard for hours, as I used to do; but I can do a normal amount of work without discomfort. I know my initial tendonitis symptoms included all the primary CTS symptoms but I also know that I was in the doctors office within a week of developing pain I could not relieve. I credit this to being scared by seeing women in their 40's with curled up hands from CTS when I was working at Vocational Rehabilitation Division for the state. I wasn't going to let that happen to me. Any how, I am curious...thanks. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 10:42:01 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id KAA07823; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:41:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:45:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071445.AA20482@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8906; Thu, 07 Jul 94 10:45:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7740; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:45:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5314; Thu, 07 Jul 94 07:45:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4560; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:45:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:42:53 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: nuucp@IG2.ATT.ATT.COM Subject: UUCP command execution failed To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Your UUCP remote execution request 'ig2Ae31d' (7/7-10:42:53) failed on system 'ig2'. Your request: rmail pc035b.att.com!m34djm Reason for failure: command exited with exit code 139 From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 11:01:26 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA07972; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:01:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:41:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071441.AA20418@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8861; Thu, 07 Jul 94 10:40:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7613; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:40:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5036; Thu, 07 Jul 94 07:41:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4329; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:41:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:38:29 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Charlene Laue Organization: USF Health Sciences Center Subject: Cortisone Rx X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have been diagnosed with cts r. hand and beginning in l. hand. Also, rotator cuff tendonitis and levator scapulae syndrome. Having problems with my neck also. Have been in exercise thereapy since early May with no relief. On 7/11, (next Monday), Doctor said he would give me cortisone shots in the back and shoulder if not improved. I had a cortisone shot about 2 years ago for a tennis elbow injury and it sent my blood pressure wild. He did indicate that I would have IMMEDIATE relief from the shots so I guess I will go ahead with it. Can anyone verify this? I don't recall having immediate relief when I received a shot for tennis elbow. I am scared to death of getting two shots but I am also so weary of the constant pain and discomfort. Any comments will be appreciated. Chickie Laue From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 11:01:51 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA07977; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:01:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:37:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071437.AA20377@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8825; Thu, 07 Jul 94 10:37:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7516; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:37:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4716; Thu, 07 Jul 94 07:36:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3524; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:36:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:36:02 -0400 Reply-To: Dan Wallach Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dan Wallach Subject: Re: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 06 Jul 1994 15:45:00 EST. > Ergo Max is made by Maxi Switch (all this info is from the FAQ), phone > (602) 294-5450. The price cited is $99 + $19.95 for a separate 40-key > keyboard. Any of this info could be outdated by now. Anyone who is > shopping for a new keyboard should retrieve the new FAQ from > rtfm.mit.edu in the > pub/usenet/news.answers/typing-injury-faq/keyboards directory. To the best of my knowledge, all this information is current. The Ergo Max folks are apparently scrambling to get the thing into production at their advertised price. They may or may not need to raise the price. It doesn't really matter much now, since it's not for sale today. As always, if anybody hears something new that either contradicts or extends the information in the Typing-Injury FAQ, *please* e-mail me this new information so everybody can benefit. The next exciting edition of the FAQ should be coming out shortly. Right now, I'm assembling lots of new Ikea you-build-it furniture, which is sufficiently stressful on my wrists that I'm not really in the mood to do much superfluous typing... By the way, all this Ikea stuff would be completely impossible for me without my handy dandy Black&Decker "Ranger" cordless drill + Craftsman modular screwdriver set. Forget those dorky Allen wrenches they include... -- Dan Wallach "One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.princeton.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Phone#: 609-683-4673 of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. (Home page) http://www.cs.princeton.edu/grad/dwallach/ (finger for PGP key) From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 11:02:27 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA07982; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:02:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 11:00:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071500.AA20716@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9038; Thu, 07 Jul 94 10:59:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8130; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:59:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6295; Thu, 07 Jul 94 08:00:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7046; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 08:00:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:59:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407062146.AA19494@world.std.com> Mark, if the Comfort is elping you work, I suggest you document that and discuss with them buying you one. I'd especially make sure this was documented to managers and Human Resorces in the event you become worse after being handed "one of the oter options". You do have rights to accommodation" under the ADA, and a kyboard is probably one of the cheapest ways a company can accomodate an employee (the others are worstation heights, reasonable breaks and rest). A close second is a fully adjustable chair. A few thousand dollars sounds like a lot but it is way cheaper than dealing with Workers' Comp, an ADAcomplaint, possible lawsuits, and all that. On Wed, 6 Jul 1994, Mark A. DeLoura wrote: > I've been using a Comfort keyboard for the past couple of months, > on loan from a local company under the assumption that I was going to > purchase it. Unfortunately, my company has changed its mind, and > now says that it wants to pursue other options first. Agh! > My hands really like the angles of the Comfort-- but not the price. > I see that there are several like keyboards in the archive, the > ErgoLogic and ErgoMax. But I couldn't find any more info on them. > Does anyone have info on who to contact about these keyboards? > Many thanks! > ---Mark > > (Oh-- I'm also headed to my first acupuncture session this Friday-- > any stories on what to expect would be gratefully received. :-) ) > > ============================================================================== > Mark A. DeLoura sci.virtual-worlds.apps co-mod Loral ADS, Bellevue WA > Work: mdeloura@bvu-lads.loral.com Real-Time Systems Engineer > Home: madsax@netcom.com Sax player, Graphics hacker, Runner > From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 11:06:36 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA08000; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:06:34 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 11:11:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071511.AA20840@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9188; Thu, 07 Jul 94 11:10:40 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8496; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:10:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7225; Thu, 07 Jul 94 08:10:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7954; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 08:10:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:01:00 LCL Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: DORVAL Subject: Cortisone Rx -Reply X-To: CHARLENE LAUE To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am not so sure about getting immediate relief from the cortisone shots. I had one in my wrist during a bout of Dequervains tendinitis last year. About five hours after I received the shot, the pain started to go away. But that first five hours felt like someone had taken a sledgehammer to my wrist a few times. The relief I got from the shot was temporary, as well, about a day-and-a-half, then the pain returned. I wound up having surgery after that with some success. Not trying to scare you off, but that was my experience. Perhaps you felt the same when you had your shot for tennis elbow. Good luck! Chris Dorval dorval.infosvcs@mhs1.sth.ufl.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 13:29:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA08509; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:29:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 13:33:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9407071733.AA22869@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0947; Thu, 07 Jul 94 13:33:09 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4459; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:33:09 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8499; Thu, 07 Jul 94 10:33:23 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4073; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:33:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:31:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > > Not picky, just accurate. Another thing to remember is that some > "treatments" or what we more commonly referr to as modalities, do very > little to correct the original problem. Many RSIs will respond well > over time to strengthening and stretching exercises provided. The > modalities decrease the pain and effects of inflamation so that the > victim is able to begin a treatment program. > what about deep-tissue massage treatments to reshape scar tissue? Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 18:42:38 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA09558; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:42:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 18:47:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9407072247.AA04124@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4019; Thu, 07 Jul 94 18:47:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2578; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:47:06 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8573; Thu, 07 Jul 94 15:47:19 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6828; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:47:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:38:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Can you find this? X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Anyone have text of this? Thanks! << Computer trackballs are easier on your arms and wrists than a mouse, and also provide more precise cursor control. The drawback is that it takes longer to learn a trackball, and requires greater coordination. (Bottom Line Personal 4/15/94 p.5) >> ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 19:29:38 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA09667; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:29:36 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 19:34:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9407072334.AA04755@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4370; Thu, 07 Jul 94 19:33:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3607; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:33:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0903; Thu, 07 Jul 94 16:34:11 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9189; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:34:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:33:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Can you find this? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Computer trackballs are easier on your arms and wrists than a > mouse, I don't completely agree. Using a trackball often results in bending of the wrist to the left and right. There is also a tendancy to strike the ball with the fingers to get it going. And clicking and dragging can be really bad. I switched back to an optical mouse after I got a lot of pain in the bottom of my hands after use of a trackball. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 21:46:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id VAA09917; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:46:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 21:28:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9407080128.AA06191@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5073; Thu, 07 Jul 94 21:28:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5486; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:28:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6361; Thu, 07 Jul 94 18:28:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0958; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:28:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:44:18 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Re: Tendonitis to CTS? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Joy Linn wrote: > I am curious - has anyone seen anything or know anything about > whether or not untreated tendonitis could lead to CTS? It seems to be generally accepted that the nine tendons going through the carpal tunnel - all very much involved in movement of the fingers - can become inflamed from repetitive use and increase pressure on the median nerve. Since it is all packed in there in the carpal tunnel, compression of the nerve can eventually lead to chronic CTS. Bending of the wrist increases the pressure. Cold temperatures compromise the lubricative abilities of the synovial fluids, increasing irritation to tissues. Advanced tendonitis in the wrist seems logically to increase the risk of damage to the median nerve in the carpal tunnel, which is what CTS is. Gary Karp Onsight From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 7 21:46:30 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id VAA09922; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:46:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 21:29:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9407080129.AA06196@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5074; Thu, 07 Jul 94 21:29:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5488; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:29:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6391; Thu, 07 Jul 94 18:29:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0975; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:29:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:34:03 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Being Picky? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Joy Linn wrote: > RSI is synonomous with CTD - cumulative trauma disorder(s). This is a pet peeve of mine. "RSI" has become a widely recognized term for the general category of computer-related injuries, as well as manufacturing, assembly, market checkout, etc. I much prefer the term cumulative trauma. Repetition is certainly a very significant risk factor in the developmment of the various maladies discussed on Sorehand, bu motion is not the only risk factor. Static contraction is a biggie, and that is not about repetition. Static contractions are continuous contraction of muscle. At a computer this happens in many ways. Holding up the head and looking at the screen without moving much is a static use. Sitting in a limited range of postures for hours each day is a static use - the trunk muscles are doing a tremendous amount of work. Holding the hands over a keyboard is a static use of the forearms. You can imagine others. Static use is so important because bloodflow is largely cut off during static use - simply a fact of human physiology. So in time the "fuel" gets used up, and the waste products the muscle produced are not flushed out, so collect between fibers, disrupting efficient contraction and ultimately causing pain. When muscles don't get the supply they need, they tighten. This pulls harder on tendons - increasing risk. This presses on nerves - increasing risk. This presses on blood vessels passing through these tight muscles, depriving the rest of the body of needed blood - especially the hands. The shoulders are a very ripe location for this scenario. Holding up the head and the body all day simply taps the fuel supply, we tire more easily, and that is a condition which increases risk of further tissue damage. When we sit in a way that allows our structure to hold up our body, and find a variety of postures and stand up often, it allows the muscular load to be spread around at a level the body can handle. Minimizing static use of the body is a key skill for computer users. This is a simplistic description, but the gist of it is that cumulative damage from static use is an important part of this issue, whether from repetitive movements or from poor and limited postures as a pattern in our work. So my vote is for CTD as the most descriptive term. At least correct people who think this is only about carpal tunnel syndrome! Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 08:55:54 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA11604; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:55:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 09:00:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081300.AA12151@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0274; Fri, 08 Jul 94 08:59:58 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2014; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:59:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4184; Fri, 08 Jul 94 05:59:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6479; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 05:59:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 06:54:40 CST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chip Subject: Being Picky? (fwd) X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND According to Gary L. Karp: > > Joy Linn wrote: > > > RSI is synonomous with CTD - cumulative trauma disorder(s). > > This is a pet peeve of mine. "RSI" has become a widely recognized term for > the general category of computer-related injuries, as well as manufacturing, > assembly, market checkout, etc. > > I much prefer the term cumulative trauma. > > Repetition is certainly a very significant risk factor in the developmment of > the various maladies discussed on Sorehand, bu motion is not the only risk > factor. Static contraction is a biggie, and that is not about repetition. > > Static contractions are continuous contraction of muscle. At a computer this > happens in many ways. Holding up the head and looking at the screen without > moving much is a static use. Sitting in a limited range of postures for > hours each day is a static use - the trunk muscles are doing a tremendous > amount of work. Holding the hands over a keyboard is a static use of the > forearms. You can imagine others. > > Static use is so important because bloodflow is largely cut off during static > use - simply a fact of human physiology. So in time the "fuel" gets used up, > and the waste products the muscle produced are not flushed out, so collect > between fibers, disrupting efficient contraction and ultimately causing pain. > When muscles don't get the supply they need, they tighten. This pulls harder > on tendons - increasing risk. This presses on nerves - increasing risk. > This presses on blood vessels passing through these tight muscles, depriving > the rest of the body of needed blood - especially the hands. The shoulders > are a very ripe location for this scenario. I think this is a very good theory, about the muscles using up their fuel and building up waste products and possibly adjusting their nature to be more rigid. My question is, has there been any tissue studies to document this change, either confirming the buildup of waste products or the increased fibrosis in the muscles of CTD sufferers vs. "healthy" tissue? I'm not too enthusiastic about someone cutting out a part of my muscle for study, and CTD is not usually fatal so there aren't a lot of convenient corpses, but somebody must've tried to varify this with physical evidence? It provides a pretty good description of my symptoms for the past 2-3 years, but it's logical advice hasn't led to recovery. -- Chip ***************************************************************************** Chip Patton Phone: (205) 730-7612 Mail Stop: IW1511 Intergraph Corporation Huntsville, AL 35894-0001 Mailpath: crpatton@chipster.b15.ingr.com ***************************************************************************** From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 10:46:11 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id KAA11872; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:46:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 10:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081448.AA13304@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1576; Fri, 08 Jul 94 10:48:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5853; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:48:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1399; Fri, 08 Jul 94 07:48:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8435; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 07:48:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 09:45:19 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dorie Mittlieder Subject: Re: Exercizes X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9405311506.AA02884@metro.mccneb.edu>; from "Dale R Rogers" at May 31, 94 9:57 am WPC, OSOS dear friend the is the same note that i wrote to you e From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 11:09:12 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA11921; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:09:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 11:13:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081513.AA13706@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1855; Fri, 08 Jul 94 11:13:31 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6570; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:13:31 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3563; Fri, 08 Jul 94 08:13:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1879; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:13:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:07:00 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Nelson R. Pardee" Subject: Trackballs To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your MAIL dated Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:02:34 -0700 As there are many mice shapes, there are trackball shapes (probably more variety). And people use them differently. I have Logitech Trackman trackballs, which are operated with a thumb. I don't use them, or even a standard trackball, in ways previously described (bending the wrist, striking it, etc., although I found a standard trackball was little better than a mouse for *me*). If you have thumb problems, a Trackman would be a problem. Otherwise, I recommend giving it a trial. --Nelson R. Pardee, Computing Services, Syracuse University -- --120 Hinds Hall, Syracuse, NY 13244-1190 USA (315)443-1079 -- --Bitnet: ACDNRP@SUVM Internet: NRPARDEE@SYR.EDU -- From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 11:24:07 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA11953; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:24:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 11:28:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081528.AA13907@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2034; Fri, 08 Jul 94 11:28:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7027; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:28:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4489; Fri, 08 Jul 94 08:28:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3406; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:28:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:09:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: Trackball To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I have had much more luck with a trackball than a mouse, possibly because I don't use it as often (it's not on my primary computer). I think that if someone has "mouse elbow" or tendonitis in the shoulder, he/she should try using a trackball. If you learn to use it correctly, which is a problem because using a trackball is almost always self-taught, you shouldn't have to use your wrist or elbow at all (which invites the question of whether this can lead to steady contraction and more cumulative stress). It can be tough on your fingers if you're not careful. Like any computer device, if you use it improperly or too heavily, it can cause problems. If it weren't for my tendonitic thumbs, I'd get trackballs for all my computers. (Pressing the button with my thumb gets painful pretty quickly, especially if I've been typing.) On top of its gentleness to my elbow, I like the elegance of motion and light control of the trackball I have. Its sensitivity also forces me not to use it hard, like I can do with a mouse. Just my two cents... Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Can you find this? Author: @CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET@INTERNET at CCROUTER Date: 7/7/94 4:33 PM > Computer trackballs are easier on your arms and wrists than a > mouse, I don't completely agree. Using a trackball often results in bending of the wrist to the left and right. There is also a tendancy to strike the ball with the fingers to get it going. And clicking and dragging can be really bad. I switched back to an optical mouse after I got a lot of pain in the bottom of my hands after use of a trackball. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 11:36:53 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA11989; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:36:52 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 11:41:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081541.AA14114@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2168; Fri, 08 Jul 94 11:41:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7372; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:41:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5356; Fri, 08 Jul 94 08:41:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4800; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:41:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:40:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407081531.AA28658@world.std.com> << On top of its gentleness to my elbow, I like the elegance of motion and light control of the trackball I have. Its sensitivity also forces me not to use it hard, like I can do with a mouse. Just my two cents... >> Here's another note on this. Trackballs can be mounted at an angle, or velcro'd to your knee, or whatever, whatever makes them more comfy to use. I find that it's more confortable if my arm is turned out at about 20 degrees and my forearm is pointing down". not possible with a mouse. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 11:46:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA12115; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:46:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 11:37:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081537.AA14036@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2126; Fri, 08 Jul 94 11:36:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7264; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:36:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4996; Fri, 08 Jul 94 08:36:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4299; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 08:36:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:35:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Trackballs X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407081516.AA21827@world.std.com> I've got an address and fax for this newsletter thanks to Liz the Librarian and I'm going to try and get the whole thing from them to see what was actually said. I use a "Stingray" and I'm happy with it. The track balls on the Portable and the Datadesk Switchboard hurt like hell, the trackball on my PB140 is OK, but causes pain after about 45 minutes because it's in the middle and I can't use it lefty... As people have said, it's a persnal thing. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 13:30:08 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA12358; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:30:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 13:34:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081734.AA15466@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3295; Fri, 08 Jul 94 13:34:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0439; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:34:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2801; Fri, 08 Jul 94 10:34:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2889; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:34:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:33:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > Here's another note on this. Trackballs can be mounted at an angle, or > velcro'd to your knee, or whatever, whatever makes them more comfy to > use. I find that it's more confortable if my arm is turned out at about > 20 degrees and my forearm is pointing down". not possible with a mouse. I use an optical mouse which rests on felt on a rigid pad. I have the pad at a 30-degree angle so that I don't have to have palms down. The felt has enough friction to allow this. I use foot switches. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 13:53:31 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA12403; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:53:30 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 13:58:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081758.AA15731@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3489; Fri, 08 Jul 94 13:57:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1028; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:57:45 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4154; Fri, 08 Jul 94 10:57:59 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4879; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:57:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 10:57:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > tendonitic thumbs, I'd get trackballs for all my computers. (Pressing > the button with my thumb gets painful pretty quickly, especially if > I've been typing.) > Ouch, ouch! Please don't say things like this, it makes my hands hurt :-) Since the thumb is such an important digit, I would never use it to operate a mouse or trackball. Let me repeat my mantra: use footswitches, use footswitches, use footswitches, use footswitches.... Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 14:47:04 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA12551; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:47:03 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 14:29:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081829.AA16232@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3768; Fri, 08 Jul 94 14:29:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1775; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:29:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6098; Fri, 08 Jul 94 11:29:52 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7286; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:29:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 11:21:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Trackball To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Actually, I hadn't thought about footswitches. That's a good idea. I'd just have to watch out for my tendonitic feet. Feet are probably less vulnerable than thumbs, though, so it's a good gamble. Thanks! Karen > tendonitic thumbs, I'd get trackballs for all my computers. (Pressing > the button with my thumb gets painful pretty quickly, especially if > I've been typing.) > Ouch, ouch! Please don't say things like this, it makes my hands hurt :-) Since the thumb is such an important digit, I would never use it to operate a mouse or trackball. Let me repeat my mantra: use footswitches, use footswitches, use footswitches, use footswitches.... Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 16:16:44 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA12860; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:16:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 15:21:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081921.AA17027@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4218; Fri, 08 Jul 94 15:20:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3039; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:20:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9205; Fri, 08 Jul 94 12:20:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0176; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 12:20:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 12:20:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > he/she should try using a trackball. If you learn to use it correctly, > which is a problem because using a trackball is almost always > self-taught, you shouldn't have to use your wrist or elbow at all Ditto for keyboard. Learning typing on typewriter does not teach non-injurious technique either. In RSI A Computer User's Guide, he says that proper typing retraining is the ignored stepchild of ergonomics. After reading the sections on typing technique, I replaced my capslock key after 13 years. tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 16:17:00 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA12867; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:16:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 15:33:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081933.AA17222@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4357; Fri, 08 Jul 94 15:33:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3432; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:33:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0118; Fri, 08 Jul 94 12:33:31 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1278; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 12:33:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:31:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Scott T. Lary" Subject: Re: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Please indicate the location of the resources quoted, e.g., the rsi users guide and the guide to proper trackball use. thanks, slary@tahc.texas.gov From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 16:17:15 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA12872; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:17:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 15:35:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9407081935.AA17257@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4384; Fri, 08 Jul 94 15:35:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3493; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:35:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0300; Fri, 08 Jul 94 12:35:40 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1523; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 12:35:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:33:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "CHERYL GLENN JILAVF@JILA 303-492-7796" Subject: Mailing List To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A friend sent information from Caroline McMillan that a discussion group has been formed regarding carpal tunnel. I'd like to be placed on that mailing list. Please let me know what is necessary. Thanks! Cheryl Glenn JILAVF@JILA.COLORADO.EDU From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 16:41:05 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA12925; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:41:04 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 16:45:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082045.AA18401@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5073; Fri, 08 Jul 94 16:45:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5272; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:45:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4867; Fri, 08 Jul 94 13:45:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6465; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:45:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:37:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re[2]: Trackball To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Actually, I had a very good typing teacher to whom I credit my good typing habits. For instance, I never drop my wrists, which will save me from some kinds of trouble. Perhaps instead of teaching high-school students touch-typing on electric typewriters, teachers could use computers instead and expand the curriculum to include ergonomics. It probably wouldn't help any of us (our habits are pretty formed), but it could help the current schoolgoing generation. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 17:48:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA13089; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:48:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 16:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082050.AA18485@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5124; Fri, 08 Jul 94 16:49:47 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5394; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:49:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5090; Fri, 08 Jul 94 13:49:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6651; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:49:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:49:57 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: cathyf@EARLHAM.EDU Subject: Re: Can you find this? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND "Computer trackballs are easier on your arms and wrists than a mouse" is true for me. When I first started doing computer networking for an information-gathering project (requiring downloading reams of information and then scrolling down the documents and picking out separate parts to file separately) a few years ago, I started getting really bad pains in my mouse arm and wrist (I've been prone to such pains since I was a tiny tot, so can't say the computer was the CAUSE!). When Gilligan The Kitten From Hell started dangling the mouse over the side of the desk, I took that as an omen that it was time to pay for a trackball module for my keyboard.... It's just to the right of the alphanumeric module (DataDesk Switchboard/Switchball modul). It made a big difference very soon, it's much easier to keep my hand and arm relaxed using it. It did take a bit of getting used to and does require finer control, but the learning effort is worth it for me. Also I don't have to find a clear space on my desk to use it..... Peace, Cathy Flick cathyf@earlham.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 17:48:26 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA13095; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 17:19:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082119.AA18964@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5407; Fri, 08 Jul 94 17:19:27 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6219; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:19:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6704; Fri, 08 Jul 94 14:19:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8672; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:19:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:19:31 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: cathyf@EARLHAM.EDU Subject: Re: Re[2]: Trackball X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I was using a computer at the college computing center the other day, and noticed that the height of the keyboard was all wrong for comfortable typing. It was too high! And yet students are in there all the time, typing furiously away. You can't even put the keyboard on your lap, I think, the cable won't reach. If they were typewriters, maybe they would have automatically been put at the right height. Peace, Cathy Flick cathyf@earlham.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 18:56:12 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA13200; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:56:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 18:59:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082259.AA20513@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6031; Fri, 08 Jul 94 18:59:17 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7970; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:59:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1478; Fri, 08 Jul 94 15:59:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3106; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:59:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:57:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: RSI vs CTD X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Gary Karp writes: >>So my vote is for CTD as the most descriptive term. At least correct people who think this is only about carpal tunnel syndrome! << Here, here. Especially the second bit. As a tendonitis sufferer I feel left out! Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 19:39:29 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA13432; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:39:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 19:44:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082344.AA20966@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6306; Fri, 08 Jul 94 19:43:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8709; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:43:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3218; Fri, 08 Jul 94 16:44:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4703; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:44:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:42:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407082120.AA28155@world.std.com> << I was using a computer at the college computing center the other day, and noticed that the height of the keyboard was all wrong for comfortable typing. It was too high! And yet students are in there all the time, typing furiously away. You can't even put the keyboard on your lap, I think, the cable won't reach. If they were typewriters, maybe they would have automatically been put at the right height. >> Same here, at least the machines in the undergrad library at UT Austin. If the chairs were adjustable the table height would not matter so much but they are regular 4 legged armchairs and regular library tables. Hmmmm. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 19:47:53 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA13448; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:47:50 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 19:52:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082352.AA21065@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6364; Fri, 08 Jul 94 19:52:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8855; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:52:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3517; Fri, 08 Jul 94 16:52:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4966; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:52:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:51:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Re[2]: Trackball X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Actually, I had a very good typing teacher to whom I credit my good > typing habits. For instance, I never drop my wrists, which will save > me from some kinds of trouble. Perhaps instead of teaching high-school > students touch-typing on electric typewriters, teachers could use > computers instead and expand the curriculum to include ergonomics. It > probably wouldn't help any of us (our habits are pretty formed), but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No way can I accept this statement. One does what one must do (or end up permanently crippled). Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 19:48:38 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA13454; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:48:36 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 19:53:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9407082353.AA21077@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6366; Fri, 08 Jul 94 19:52:58 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8861; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3557; Fri, 08 Jul 94 16:53:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4995; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:53:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:52:19 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." 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From: JoyceC9170@AOL.COM Subject: carpal tunnel X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND subscribe carpal tunnel (sorehand) JoyceC9170 From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 21:10:32 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id VAA13597; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 21:10:30 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 21:15:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9407090115.AA22060@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6739; Fri, 08 Jul 94 21:14:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9838; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 21:14:51 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6749; Fri, 08 Jul 94 18:11:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2132; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:11:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:05:47 -0700 Reply-To: Deborah Stiles Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Deborah Stiles Subject: Re: Fatigue Studies X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <9407081300.AA25507@mx2.u.washington.edu> On Fri, 8 Jul 1994, Chip wrote: > > I think this is a very good theory, about the muscles using up their fuel > and building up waste products and possibly adjusting their nature to > be more rigid. My question is, has there been any tissue studies to > document this change, either confirming the buildup of waste products or > the increased fibrosis in the muscles of CTD sufferers vs. "healthy" > tissue? I'm not too enthusiastic about someone cutting out a part of > my muscle for study, and CTD is not usually fatal so there aren't a > lot of convenient corpses, but somebody must've tried to varify this > with physical evidence? > > Chip Patton > I am not aware of studies, although there could be some, that specifically address the biochemical changes that occur in the muscle tissues of people with upper extremity CTDs. There is ample evidence, however, that whenever a muscle fiber contracts, there are by-products of lactic acid and pyruvic acid. These by-products are passed into the surrounding interstitial fluid. Of course, our bodies conveniently remove by-products, but what becomes important is the rate of removal. The rate of removal is dependent upon many factors including the functionality of blood flow, and the force level of the contraction. I would also like to mention the concept of physiological FATIGUE (as opposed to subjective states of fatigue). Many people believe fatigue is when you no longer can perform a task. This is not true. This only means when the failure point occurred. Fatigue occurs as soon as your muscles have contracted. Involved muscles that are continuously contracting (tensing) to sustain a task are continuously fatiguing. Muscular fatigue studies have been extensively studied and continue to be investigated particularly as our bioinstumentation devices improve. Surface electromyography, for example, can effectively measure fatigue by non-invasively applying surface electrodes over the involved muscles. Fatigue has been associated with a decrease in the frequency components of the EMG signal, and an increase in the amplitude of the EMG signal. Oxygen demands are dependent on the force level of contraction, so as the force of the sustained contraction increases, there will be a requirement for more blood flow. Unfortuneately, intramuscular pressure also increases eventually occluding arterioles and decreasing the blood flow into the muscle. Sustained contractions may compensate by increasing the density of the capillaries within the muscle. The frequency shift seen when muscles fatigue, is more pronounced when blood is occluded which then allows acidic by-products to accumulate. Some of the newer more sophisticated EMG biofeedback equipment uses frequency shifts with spectral analysis to allow the individual to become more aware of when their muscles are fatiguing. But for the most part, the biofeedback spectral analysis is being used more for research purposes than for a treatment tool at this time. Quantitative measures of localized muscle fatigue using surface EMG has been studied in athletic training, industrial applications/ergonomics, physical therapy, and the diagnosis/prognosis of neuromuscular disorders. Some of above information is referenced from the book: Basmajian & Deluca, 1985, Muscles Alive: There functions revealed by electromyography. Williams & Wilkins: Baltimore. An article I came across: Hansson et al, 1992, Electromyographic fatigue in neck/shoulder muscles and endurance in women with repetitive work, Ergonomics,35(11), p.1341-52. This above article did not find a difference in the EMG fatique studies between those who had neck/shoulder disorders, those who did not have neck/shoulder problems, and a control group. (They did see differences in endurance levels). Of course this is only one study. I also found the Medical Journal of Australia to have an article and several comment letters about "Repetitive Strain Injury and fatigue" in 1990. Feb 19, Jul 16, Aug 6, and May 7 in volumes numbers 152 and 153 have some comments about this article. I have not read these articles. Hope this info is helpful. If anyone else has come across studies about CTDs and physiological fatique or biochemical changes, please pass them along. Debbie Stiles, M.N., R.N. dstiles@u.washington.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 23:46:52 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id XAA13786; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 23:46:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 23:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407090327.AA23165@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7298; Fri, 08 Jul 94 23:27:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1655; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 23:27:32 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9694; Fri, 08 Jul 94 20:27:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8919; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 20:27:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 22:24:44 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Louise Schang Subject: Re: Re[2]: Trackball X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I agree. Teaching ergonomics along with keyboarding and other computer instruction at all levels makes sense--just as in athletics, proper conditioning and concern for safety and prevention of injuries could be of life-long use. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 8 23:47:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id XAA13791; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 23:47:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Jul 94 23:34:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9407090334.AA23275@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7319; Fri, 08 Jul 94 23:34:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1706; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 23:34:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9805; Fri, 08 Jul 94 20:34:25 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9026; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 20:34:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 22:31:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Louise Schang Subject: Re: Re[2]: Trackball X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND probably not or if so, they wouldn't have been touched anyhow. At this college, the computer center has made attempts to educate the users on the the staff and faculty about computer use ergonomics and they are helpful if asked about it. Still, they do not always control all the factors involved in providing lab or clerical use furniture. I have found, too, that people who do not have a problem are not sure the cost of the right accessories, chairs and desks is worth it. I think it pays to point out poor conditions and to suggest books to both the computer center and the library so that people in the institution can educate themselves. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 9 14:59:47 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA15621; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 14:59:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 9 Jul 94 15:04:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9407091904.AA29384@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9392; Sat, 09 Jul 94 15:03:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8560; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:03:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5376; Sat, 09 Jul 94 12:04:09 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7533; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:04:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:01:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Foot Problem X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I don't know if this will help you. I was having severe aches in the arches of my feet. I went to my Podiatrist, who also happen happens to be a good friend (and so he took extra interest and care), he could not find the problem. Made arch supports - no help. Then one day I received a foot rest (for beneath the desk) sample to try out. It almost curred me! Seems my chair was so high off the floor that my feet did not reach and so the edge of the chair cut into my leg muscles which pulled on my foot/arch muscles and caused me problems! Try a foot rest under your desk for your feet and see if it doesn't help. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 9 15:42:22 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA15663; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:42:20 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 9 Jul 94 15:47:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9407091947.AA29735@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9511; Sat, 09 Jul 94 15:46:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8917; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:46:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6262; Sat, 09 Jul 94 12:46:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8294; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:46:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:44:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: DRAGONDICTATE FOR MS-WINDOWS X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND For those in the N. California area, I am a dealer for Dragon Dicatate for Dos and Windows and will be happy to come out and give you a NC demo. I accept insurance assignments if the product is paid for via workcomp. Jon Simkovitz / KEYBOARD ALTERNATIVES. 707-538-3473. In the next few days I should have a N. CA 800 - 800-KEYBOARD. Fax: 707-538-3038. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 9 15:54:33 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA15683; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:54:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 9 Jul 94 15:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9407091959.AA29782@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9548; Sat, 09 Jul 94 15:59:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9009; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:59:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6504; Sat, 09 Jul 94 12:59:14 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8962; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:59:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:58:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: ErgoLogic and ErgoMax keyboards (+ acupuncture) X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To those having trouble affording ergonomically designed keyboards - you may want to call me. I often have demo units which are discounted. I I also ac cept workcomp insurance assignments, VISA/MC, and carry a full range of keyboard. Jon Simkovitz / KEYBOARD ALTERNATIVES. T: 707-538-3473. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 10 09:16:20 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA17264; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 09:16:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 10 Jul 94 08:56:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9407101256.AA05592@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1210; Sun, 10 Jul 94 08:56:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3915; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 08:56:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0609; Sun, 10 Jul 94 05:56:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3730; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 05:56:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 08:55:29 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Can you find this? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have never understood the rush to trackballs. I have always felt that they shift more work to distal structures of the hand. However some people claim that they find relief with using one. Evan Kay From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 10 09:16:36 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA17269; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 09:16:35 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 10 Jul 94 08:56:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9407101256.AA05590@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1209; Sun, 10 Jul 94 08:56:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3911; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 08:56:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0594; Sun, 10 Jul 94 05:56:11 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3716; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 05:56:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 08:55:20 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Deep tissue Massage X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND These may work quite well especially in the initial stages. I believe that massage is another modality which is good for the short term if it will relieve some pain. To "model" scar tissue, I feel that it is best if that can be done using an active approach. In this way the scar tissue will be modeled in the manner that it will be required to be used. Evan From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 11:56:45 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA04680; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 11:56:44 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 12:01:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111601.AA19202@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6262; Mon, 11 Jul 94 12:01:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4060; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 12:01:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2369; Mon, 11 Jul 94 09:01:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9492; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 09:01:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 07:00:04 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Cortisone X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Chickie Laue wrote: > He (the dooctor) did indicate that I would have > IMMEDIATE relief from the shots so I guess I will go ahead with > it. Can anyone verify this? I don't recall having immediate relief > when I received a shot for tennis elbow. > I am scared to death of getting two shots but I am also so weary of > the constant pain and discomfort. Cortisone is to be approached with care. First, it is sometimes too early a resort for some doctors, rather than first addressing changes in work patterns, ergonomics, etc. which may allow relief via the removal of the cause. This should always be done by anyone having pain, who may also need to lay off work for a brief period to get beyond an acute stage of injury. This should be done by everyone doing computing, regardless. Cortisone destroys some amount of tissue, depending on dose and location of injection. This doesn't mean it is especially bad, but repeated injections to a given spot make it more of a concern, and worth avoiding in the first place if possible. In cases where the injury is a result of nerve compression or added stress to tendons because of tight muscles, that should be addressed first. When and if appropriate (on proper professional advice) a stretching, exercise, and/or massage program may be needed to soften up muscles if tightness is a factor in the injury. Cortisone does not heal the injury. It takes down inflammation. Typically, cortisone is combined with Lidocaine, an anasthetic. The resulting reduction of pain fools us into thinking that we are recovered, and therefore go on to overuse injured tissue that needs rest. The pain is there for a reason, to tell you a problem exists, and some believe that shooting the messenger (pardon the pun) doesn't contribute to recovery, but creates a condition in which we might aggravate the problem. I tried some cortisone injections, and valued the psychological relief of being freed from the pain, but I don't think they contributed much to healing, and I won't do them again, no matter how severely I flare up. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 11:57:10 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA04685; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 11:57:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 12:02:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111602.AA19213@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6272; Mon, 11 Jul 94 12:01:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4085; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 12:01:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2395; Mon, 11 Jul 94 09:01:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9518; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 09:01:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 07:00:02 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: San Francisco Conference X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Posting of Conference on Office Ergonomics: Each Summer, the University of California Center for Occupational and Environmental Health hosts a week of seminars which may be of interest to you. This year, on August 4th and 5th, Laura Stock of U. C. Berkeley and I will be co-chairing a seminar entitled, "Update on Office Ergonomics". This "Update" is designed for people already involved in office and technical ergonomics efforts. It will not be conducted at an introductory level, but will assume a familiarity with those musculoskeletal problems, which, as you know, are increasingly common among office and technical workers. Our goal is to share the latest information available to help upgrade our skills in work station evaluation and modification, office furniture and computer equipment selection, and program development. Our keynote speaker, Chris Grant of the University of Michigan Center for Ergonomics, is a nationally-respected consultant in the field of office ergonomics. The conference will be held at the San Francisco Airport Hilton Hotel. Registration information can be obtained from the Continuing Education Office at: Telephone: (510) 231-5645; FAX (510) 231-5648. UPDATE ON OFFICE ERGONOMICS SCHEDULE PRESENTATIONS: Thursday 8/4/94 Christin Grant, PhD: Current and Future Developments in Office Ergonomics; Principles of Workplace and Job Evaluation in the Office Environment Eileen Vollowitz, BS, PT: Furniture Selection & Workplace Modification Prof. James Sheedy, OD, PhD Vision Issues in the Office Environment WORKSHOPS-Each workshop is held three times, for 1 hr. ea. A. Job and Workstation analysis Christin Grant B. Chair selection Eileen Vollowitz C. Job adaptation for injured workers Joan Lichterman, Sharon McKenzie PRESENTATIONS: Friday 8/5/94 Diana Roose: Job Redesign for Office and Technical Work Steve Burastero, MPH, MD: Current and Future Research on Keyboards Pete Johnson, PhD (Cand.): Research and Development on Pointing Devices Tom Signore, MS, MPH; Sandy Strehlou, SEIU: Setting up Comprehensive Ergonomics Programs Mike Alvarez (CAL/OSHA); Wanda Smith: Upcoming Ergonomics Standards and Legislation PM WORKSHOPS - Each workshop is held twice: 1:00- 2:00, and 2:15- 3:15. A. Job Redesign Diana Roose B. Alternative Office Technologies Gary Karp 3:15- 3:30 Break 3:30-4:15 Standards and Legislation Mike Alvarez (Cal/OSHA) (all participants together in one room) Wanda Smith Chair: Laura Stock 4:15-4:30 Wrap up Laura Stock Ira Janowitz From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 12:16:17 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA04735; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 12:16:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 11:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111559.AA19114@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6231; Mon, 11 Jul 94 11:59:03 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3988; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 11:59:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2126; Mon, 11 Jul 94 08:59:14 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9097; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 08:59:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 07:00:06 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Tissue Study X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Chip Patton wrote: > My question is, has there been any tissue studies to > document this change, either confirming the buildup of waste products or > the increased fibrosis in the muscles of CTD sufferers vs. "healthy" > tissue? I'm not too enthusiastic about someone cutting out a part of > my muscle for study, and CTD is not usually fatal so there aren't a > lot of convenient corpses, but somebody must've tried to varify this > with physical evidence? I asked my hand surgeon about the theory of fibrotic tissue forming in muscle tissue, and he says he has looked under a microscope and never seen it. My chiropractor who is doing myofascial treatment with me says it has been seen. Since the treatment is helping me - I'm now playing the guitar a little each day without pain - I'm inclined to accept the theory, but would likewise like to see firmer proof. As for the buildup of waste products during static muscle contraction, this seems to be a well-proven and accepted fact in the anatomical sciences, that circulation is significantly lessened during continued contraction, and therefore the inevitable wastes of the contraction have no way out, and find their way amongst ever-tightening muscle fibers. My source for this information is "Ergonomics in Computerized Offices," Etienne Grandjean, ISBN 0-85066-350-4, Page 96. Gary Karp Onsight From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 13:46:43 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA05290; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:46:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:51:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111751.AA20908@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8021; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:51:18 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9792; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:51:18 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9713; Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:51:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7523; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:51:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:49:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Can you find this? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > Tom, > I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have never understood the rush to > trackballs. I have always felt that they shift more work to distal > structures of the hand. However some people claim that they find > relief with using one. > > > Perhaps the relief is due to shifting the work away from sore areas. This doesn't guarantere long-term protection from perhaps a worse injury. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 13:59:35 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA05350; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:59:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:31:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111731.AA20602@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7645; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:31:18 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8821; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:30:10 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8283; Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:30:14 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5960; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:30:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:28:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Kris Montgomery Subject: Re: Deep tissue Massage X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Evan: You wrote: >To "model" scar tissue, I feel that it is best if that can be done using an active approach. In this way the scar tissue will be modeled in the manner that it will be required to be used. I'm not sure what you mean by an active approach. Would you explain? Kris montgome@sonoma.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 14:07:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA05441; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:07:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111730.AA20578@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7614; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:30:38 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8748; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:28:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8163; Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:28:37 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5871; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:28:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:26:32 -0700 Reply-To: Joy Linn Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Book Reviews X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND 2 book reviews (short thank goodness) from BYTE, April 1994, pg 42 Repetitive Strain Injury, a Computer User's Guide by Emil Pascarelli and Deborah Quilter. John Wiley & Sons, ISBN 0-471-59533-0, $12.95 Preventing Computer Injury: The Hand Book by Stephanie Brown. Ergonome, ISBN 1-884388-01-9, $19.95 Repetitive strain injuries are on the upswing, according to the U.S. Department of Labor. _Repetitive Strain Injury, A computer User's Guide_ Thoroughly explains the causes of the injury, describes what the authors believe is good treatment, and emphasizes prevention fo the disability. This is done in a knowledgeable and accessible manner. The authors cite the epidemiology fo this condition and explain who is most at risk. The book presents multiple checklists for recognizing the problem and its risk factors, along with advice on how to cope with the emotional component of the injury. From a physical therapist's point of view, the recommended program is good practice. _Preventing Computer Injury:The Hand Book_ describes and illustrates exercises that can be used to prevent repetitive strain injuries. It discusses hand positions and motions to avoid and suggests appropriate substitutes. The author dos not go into any depth of medical description. Instead, she concentrates on the clearly defined and pictured preventative excercizes and hand and body postures. Brown writes in a simple, accurate, and easily understood manner; this book will be helpful to anyone who sits at a keyboard. By Lee Zaslow. (found by Scott, my husband) Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 15:47:32 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA05889; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 15:47:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 15:46:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9407111946.AA22588@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9604; Mon, 11 Jul 94 15:45:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5435; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 15:45:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6547; Mon, 11 Jul 94 12:46:05 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5642; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 12:46:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:38:29 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dale R Rogers Subject: Re: Deep tissue Massage X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407111729.AA13294@camelot.b24a.ingr.com>; from "Kris Montgomery" at Jul 11, 94 10:28 am |Evan: | |You wrote: | |>To "model" scar tissue, I feel that it is best if that |can be done using an active approach. In this way the scar tissue |will be |modeled in the manner that it will be required to be used. | |I'm not sure what you mean by an active approach. Would you explain? I've been away for a week and missed part of this conversation. What is meant by "modeling" scar tissue? And I would also like to know what an "active" approach is. Dale ____________________________^____________________________ dale r. rogers drrogers@camelot.b24a.ingr.com Tel: (205) 730-8294 . From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 18:46:26 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA06617; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 18:46:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 16:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9407112045.AA23564@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0478; Mon, 11 Jul 94 16:45:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8988; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:45:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9649; Mon, 11 Jul 94 13:45:26 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0044; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:45:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:43:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Anyone had this? X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND A week or so I posted about some forearm pain, well Friday I went for an evaluation by a physical therapist. Apparently it is tendonitis associated with my left brachio radialus. For me pronation is the major irritator. He started with a medical patch with a mixture of analgesic and anti-inflammatory which is put on the sore area and attached to a contraption which provides direct curent to the patch. This forces the medication into your skin and muscle. A new one for me. Anyone seen this? Of course, now it's worse from all the attention it got. But, that's part of the cycle, I guess :-( Still kind of depressing having these restrictions all over again (went through major restrictions with left wrist tendonitis about 5 years ago - been doing better the last few years - :-) Ouch! Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 11 22:16:12 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id WAA07017; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 22:16:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jul 94 21:52:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9407120152.AA28782@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3029; Mon, 11 Jul 94 21:52:21 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5808; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 21:52:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6028; Mon, 11 Jul 94 18:52:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3104; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 18:52:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 19:52:22 MDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Doyle Subject: CARPALTUNNEL & POWER-GRIP POSTURE To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Has anyone done work or knows of references to carpaltunnel (and related injuries) and the power-grip posture of the hand? Regards, Tom Doyle grip%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 09:16:30 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA08807; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 09:16:29 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 08:43:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9407121243.AA04361@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5602; Tue, 12 Jul 94 08:42:59 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2852; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 08:42:59 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1407; Tue, 12 Jul 94 05:43:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2232; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 05:43:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 07:41:41 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rebecca Koscik Subject: Re: Anyone had this? X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BitNet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Joy Linn writes: He started with a medical patch with a mixture of analgesic and anti-inflammatory which is put on the sore area and attached to a contraption which provides direct curent to the patch. This forces the medication into your skin and muscle. A new one for me. Anyone seen this? yes, I've had this treatment for lateral epicondylitis. It's officially called "iontophoresis". It provided some relief, but rest, icing and stretching were just as effective for me. I hope it works for you! Rebecca Koscik koscik@biostat.wisc.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 15:16:08 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA10137; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:16:06 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 14:20:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9407121820.AA08315@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9421; Tue, 12 Jul 94 14:20:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4405; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:20:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3124; Tue, 12 Jul 94 11:20:39 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7802; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 11:20:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 11:18:44 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Worker's Comp Lawyer wanted X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Can anyone in the California Bay area recommend a Worker's Comp lawyer? Send email please. Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 15:22:06 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA10165; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:22:05 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 15:09:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9407121909.AA09004@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9947; Tue, 12 Jul 94 15:09:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5805; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:09:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6252; Tue, 12 Jul 94 12:09:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2168; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 12:09:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 11:12:05 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Two Cents On Trackballs X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am a fan of the trackball. The main attraction, in my view, is the "click-lock" capability that is included with all trackballs that I am aware of. This is a second button that, when pressed, behaves as though you are continuing to hold it down, but, of course, you don't have to. You drag the cursor where you please, press the button a second time, and it releases the cursor. Holding down a mouse button continuously while you drag a mouse is very stressful. Many people tense the hand more than necessary, and this tension can continue up the arm to the shoulder and beyond. This also meets the model of static contraction and associated problems mentioned in my recent post. As a result, I find the freedom from ever having to hold down a button as I drag the cursor an extremely meaningful source of relief. As for specific designs, I use the Kensington Turbo Mouse. It has a large ball that rolls very smoothly. I have seen other models that don't have the same fluid feel to it. I am uncomfortable with designs that put a small ball under the thumb. The thumb doesn't seem meant to move that way, and concentrating all of the work on one digit seems unwise. When I encounter them in my consulting work, I encourage people to use different fingers and spread the load, easy to do when the click-lock is in use. I resisted using a trackball for a long time, and chose to buy one when I started having pain in my knuckles (while doing professional graphics work). It took about a week to find I loved it. The body has to have time to adjust to a new device. Most people seem to give up way too early, and often don't know that the click-lock feature exists. Pavlov needs time to rehabituate. I now hate mice. They are not good for small movements, since the ball rolls back a tiny bit when you try and do a one-pixel move, for instance. At the same time, the Kensington ball has a pass-through port, so when I do graphics I plug in the mouse for the rare moments I need to do a fine move. Problem solved. They are not for everyone. I find my client companies are willing to get a couple and let people try them. Ask your employers, an find what works for you. The Stingray is another popular model. I also accept that tilting the device is a good idea to reduce pronation. I will devise a little wedge someday when I can get it to the top of my to do list! BTW, there is a piece of shareware (he calls it "postcardware." Send him a postcard) available called "Click-Lock" for the Macintosh that allows you to identify a modifier key - option, command, etc. - which, when held, makes the single button on a mouse behave as a click-lock. I found it on AppleLink in the disability solutions area. It is available from: Andreas Atkins P.O. Box 1554 Cupertino, California 95015-1554 America Online: PoorExcuse Internet: atkins@apple.com Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 16:40:23 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA10379; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:40:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 16:45:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9407122045.AA10317@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1212; Tue, 12 Jul 94 16:44:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0229; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:44:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1522; Tue, 12 Jul 94 13:45:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8203; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:45:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:44:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Cortisone X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND With all the attention on Cortisone in the group I mentioned it to my physical therapist (whom I just met on Friday :-). I had never had it suggested for my wrist and hadn't heard all that good of things about it from people locally who'd had it. He said cortisone is a last resort type of thing. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 18:32:49 1994 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA10918; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:32:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 18:38:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9407122238.AA07584@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2159; Tue, 12 Jul 94 18:37:37 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2811; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:37:38 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8429; Tue, 12 Jul 94 15:37:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5245; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:37:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 12:28:33 EDT Reply-To: reid@acadia.image.Kodak.COM Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: James Reid Subject: more on VISI X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hello again. I'm the fellow with the VISI (Volar Intercalated Segmental Instability). Several of you have asked me to describe what this is. I felt that this might be of general use, so I'm passing it on the whole SOREHANDS list. I'll try my best to relay what the Doctor told me. There are several bones that fit together to make up the wrist area. They all fit together nicely at certain angles with each other. In my case, one of the bones is at a different angle, of a few degrees, with the other bones. This causes the tendonitis to be more severe. I have this in both my wrists, so in my case it's something I was born with. It can also be caused by an accident. Operations to remedy this have been unsuccessful so far. That's all I know at this point. Thanks, Jim Reid reid@kodak.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 18:51:48 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA10945; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:51:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 18:56:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9407122256.AA11884@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2261; Tue, 12 Jul 94 18:56:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3171; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:56:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9397; Tue, 12 Jul 94 15:56:50 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6127; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:56:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:54:32 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "MARGARET M. BERSON" Subject: More on cortisone X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Re cortisone shots: When I went to a hand surgery specialist who does the endoscopic carpal tunnel surgery, he suggested a cortisone shot as a diagnostic tool. My nerve conduction test is borderline (I found out from him), and because my symptoms are not classic CTS symptoms, he wanted to do the cortisone shot for diagnostic purposes. He said that if the cortisone shot really helped me, that would indicate that the surgery would help me. I had not wanted to have cortisone shots, but I was interested in the diagnostic value. This may not be something all surgeons know: this doctor has years and years of experience doing nothing but hand surgery. I had the shot, and it did help somewhat, but not to the extent that he was looking for as an indication for surgery. As a result, he convinced me that the surgery would not help me, and that my problem is "mostly" tendonitis. None of us want to have surgery that doesn't help. P.S.: Is there anyone else on this list who is in Oregon? I'm in Gresham, a suburb of Portland. Margaret Berson I don't actually have Internet but can receive mail from Internet or CompuServe if addressed as follows: Internet: MMB@NRP-WEST.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM CompuServe: MHS:MMB@NRP-WEST From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 12 19:20:17 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA11024; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 19:20:16 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jul 94 19:13:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9407122313.AA12089@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2357; Tue, 12 Jul 94 19:13:36 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3448; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 19:13:37 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0175; Tue, 12 Jul 94 16:13:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6778; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:13:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 11:12:19 GMT+1200 Reply-To: nstanger@commerce.otago.ac.nz Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nigel Stanger Subject: Re: Two Cents On Trackballs X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >From: "Gary L. Karp" [...chomp...] >[Trackballs] are not good for small movements, since the ball rolls back a tiny bit >when you try and do a one-pixel move, for instance. At the same time, the >Kensington ball has a pass-through port, so when I do graphics I plug in the >mouse for the rare moments I need to do a fine move. Problem solved. [...chomp...] The other thing that is very handy for this sort of thing is the Mouse Keys feature of Easy Access. If you want to move something by one pixel in a drawing, turn Mouse Keys on, position the cursor over the object with the mouse, then use the keypad to move it to your heart's content. I've used that feature for years, even before I started developing symptoms. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nigel Stanger, Internet: stanger@otago.ac.nz University of Otago, Phone: +64 3 479-8179 Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND. Fax: +64 3 479-8311 From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 12:23:19 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA13292; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:23:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:28:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131628.AA22881@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6239; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:28:07 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0357; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:28:07 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2594; Wed, 13 Jul 94 09:28:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8663; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 09:28:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:27:34 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: Reducing mousing X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND The issue of reducing mouse use, clicking, dragging, etc. has been discussed recently in a haphazard way (in response to other issues) and some of the ideas and resources have seemed valuable. I'd like to see SOREHAND really focus on this issue for a little while. Specifically, what ways do you know of to reduce clicking, dragging, or to cut down on mousing altogether? Tips regarding hardware and software are both welcome, and if you posted something previously, it would be helpful to post it again (since I obliterated all those messages before I realized how valuable they could be). If you know the phone number of the resource, please include it. I think this would be nifty if gathered all together. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 13:29:10 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA13469; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:29:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:34:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131734.AA23777@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7059; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:34:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2404; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:34:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6558; Wed, 13 Jul 94 10:34:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2856; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:34:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:33:04 CST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Wayne Hauber Organization: Iowa State University Subject: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I finally went to see my orthopedic doctor after well over a year of tendonitis in my wrist and elbow. I know of 4 people who had good luck eliminating tennis elbow at a particular physical therapy clinic and sought a referral. I got the referral and am convinced that physical therapy is a good thing. My doctor also said I should use forearm supports and might consider devices such as a split keyboard. Forearm supports *sound* like a good idea. I have 3 keyboards and 3 mice in my office...a desk attached forearm support isn't practical. Our Occupational Health and Safety people say there is a chair on the market with attached forearm supports. We'll get a catalog. They are aware of only one such chair on the market and say it is very nice but expensive. They also said that if I got such chair it would be the first one on campus, so I'd get to argue for something no one else has needed/ordered to date. So, the questions: 1. Are forearm supports effective? Has anyone tried chair attached supports? 2. Are there multiple suppliers of chairs with attached supports? I started experimenting with forearm support by sliding my computers far back on the desk so my forearms could rest on the desk. It is too early to know if that helps...but now the screens are too far back. They are just at or outside my optimal focusing distance. Anyway, so far it looks like I'll need to buy an expensive chair if I want to experiment with forearm supports. I know I need a new chair, but don't want to argue for an expensive chair with forearm supports if they aren't a big deal. Any reactions? Wayne Hauber wjhauber@iastate.edu Network Information Iowa State University Computation Center From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 13:48:03 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA13533; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:48:01 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131753.AA24028@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7289; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:52:57 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3019; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:52:57 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8016; Wed, 13 Jul 94 10:53:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4303; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:53:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:51:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." Subject: Raynaud's X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407131631.MAA03158@umbc3.umbc.edu> Well, I had posted earlier about a phone conversation with my doctor in which he told me I had a vesopastic vascular system. (I had changed my shell to tcsh, and all my filters crashed because of something in the system (now fixed) so I didn't get mail for a couple days after my post.) Yesterday, I actually saw him, and he showed me my little graphcs and how my hands did not recover their pressure at all after exposure to cold water, which was abnormal. This can be known as Raynaud's disease and can cause pain in the hands. I'm still concerned as to whether I might have tendonitus (or something more than just this vascular problem) since they can be warm, and I can still pull a wrist or some such thing. He doesn't think so. I'm now being referred back to my GP for possible medication (I don't want this, it can give headaches, and it's when I use the computer that I am uncomfortable, hence I'd rather limit computing than live with this medication and headaches my whole life), and to a psychologist for some bio-feedback training. I'd be glad if this is all I have wrong, but this is my 4th doctor, so I'm not real used to accepting their immediate opinion (as to this being my only, or main problem that may cause all others.) The only context I had to deal with my pain was RSI and off the hip diagnoses of tendonitus. So, perhaps I am being claustriophobic, but being paranoid was what enabled me to see this doctor who could find a real problem, after all the others. So I am glad I know this atleast, but this guy admits he is a hand surgeon and doesn't see much else that he can do with my problems, and it's back to my GP, who I also like, but isn't at all knowledgeable about the situation, and a psychologist who will do bio-feedback. I wish there was a doctor in the area who really specialized in all the aspects of RSI/hand problems/ergonomics but as of yet, there doesn't seem to be one. (My dream doctor is the author of the much quoted RSI book) From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 14:16:01 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA13619; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:15:57 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:44:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131744.AA23913@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7189; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:44:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2776; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:44:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7415; Wed, 13 Jul 94 10:44:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3682; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:44:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:43:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407131735.AA03930@world.std.com> < They also said that if I got such chair it would be the first one on campus, so I'd get to argue for something no one else has needed/ordered to date. > Such helpful people. have your doctor prescribe it. make sure it's on a trial basis from the supplier. There is no such thing as a Universal Ergonomic Chair From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 14:16:18 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA13642; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:16:17 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 14:03:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131803.AA24195@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7432; Wed, 13 Jul 94 14:03:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3378; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:03:34 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8740; Wed, 13 Jul 94 11:03:45 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4971; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 11:03:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:46:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Larry Urquhart Subject: Re: Reducing mousing X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Sy To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Reply to: RE>Reducing mousing > what ways do you know of to reduce clicking, dragging, or to cut down >on mousing altogether? Go back to command line interface computers :-) xcopy b: a: /s /e exactly replaces dragging one disk icon onto another. vi, nroff, troff, etc. allow writing and formatting with no mouse. Kinda hard to draw though. Larry Urquhart StarNine Technical Support 510 649-4949, FAX 510 548 0393 larry@starnine.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 14:46:13 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA13764; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:46:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 14:29:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131829.AA24506@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7788; Wed, 13 Jul 94 14:29:06 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4389; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:29:06 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0591; Wed, 13 Jul 94 11:29:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6910; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 11:29:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:27:53 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rebecca Koscik Subject: Re: Raynaud's X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BitNet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND This is in response to Joseph Reagle's post about Raynaud's and seeing multiple docs ... It took over a year in the dr. circuit before I saw a dr. who took me seriously whrn I linked my arm problems with my keyboard work. I had an orthopod. who was really charming ... not only did he tell me I should be able to type until I was blue in the face without pain, but he also insisted that my wrist x-ray was normal (now that would have been reassuring if such an xray existed, but since I knew it didn't, I was quite skeptical of his proclamation!) ... my GP was equally inept and sent me to PT and an occupational physician only "as a last resort" (and after I begged for a referral). (I have sent these fellows a few copies of CTS articles, in the hopes that even they can learn someting). I have a great dr. in occ. med. now, and we work on fixing the problems as a team. Each time something new comes up, I hit the med-school library to do a lit. search and gather info. You may want to do the same for your dx. From my experiences and those I've heard from others, it is not unusual to struggle to find a good dr., and it is always important to keep a healthy amount of skepticism of treatments, especially invasive ones! Good luck (and be persistent!) Rebecca Koscik From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 16:16:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA14141; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:16:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 15:45:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9407131945.AA25489@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8586; Wed, 13 Jul 94 15:45:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6543; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:45:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5837; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:45:40 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2393; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:45:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:44:48 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > So, the questions: > > 1. Are forearm supports effective? Has anyone tried chair attached > supports? > From "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide" by Emil Pascarelli, MD and Deborah Quilter: Elbow Rests Elbow rests are not to be confused with the arm rests of a chair. Elbow rests are movable stirrups designed to support your forearm while you work. Using an elbow rest is like trying to run a marathon on crutches. l don't like them because they actually encourage RSl by forcing the small muscles of the hand to do the work instead of letting the arm carry the hand. This leads to muscle tightening and atrophy. In extremely rare cases, we use elbow rests during retraining, rather like training wheels on a bicycle. But you should never rest your elbows while you work. The pressure can cause nerve damage and it puts enormous strain on the finger tendons. It is better to rest your elbow on your armrests occasionally *when you are not typing*. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 19:57:30 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA14705; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 19:57:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 20:02:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9407140002.AA29298@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1008; Wed, 13 Jul 94 20:02:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2816; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 20:02:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1145; Wed, 13 Jul 94 17:02:32 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7962; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 17:02:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:47:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: dennis raber Subject: CTS - Surgery??? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND My orthopedic doctor is recommending surgery for my CTS... I would like some information from those of you who have had surgery or alternatives to surgery that have worked. I'm a full-time student and part-time carpenter (full-time during school breaks and 24 hs/week during school), so resting the arm doesn't seem to be a real and 24 hs/week during school), so resting the arm doesn't seem to be a real option at this point. I have been suffering from CTS for several years now, and I am wearing a wrist brace at night and taking 500 mg of Naprosyn a day. I have already tried cortisone shots, and they didn't seem to have any lasting effect. At this point, surgery sounds like a good alternative, since just about everything else has failed. I'm worried, however, about long-term effects of surgery. Thanks in advance... Dennis Raber ********************************************************************** AUDRR@asuvm.inre.asu.edu Dennis & Karyl Raber ********************************************************************** From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 13 21:01:02 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id VAA14855; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:01:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 21:06:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9407140106.AA00236@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1483; Wed, 13 Jul 94 21:06:00 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4009; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:06:00 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4787; Wed, 13 Jul 94 18:06:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5717; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 18:06:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:04:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Wayne: I have a high desk top with lots of fore space, so I use a Marquardt key board which has a low profile and is angled to the right and left, somewhat ergonomically. I rest my forearms on my desk and my palms on the front of the keyboard (it is designed for that purpose) - I love it. I sell the Marquardt. Ironically enough, it is my least popular keyboard; it seems to work best for those who have high desks and lots of table top space. I also sell swinging - adjustable forearm supports (eruopean mfg.) and have gotten good feedback regarding this product. It clips to the edge of the desk and can be adjusted up & down. It will move to the right/left as you move to mouse or use your 10 key numpad. jjsimkovitz@delphi.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 00:46:21 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id AAA15771; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 00:46:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jul 94 22:48:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9407140248.AA01532@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2061; Wed, 13 Jul 94 22:47:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5474; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 22:47:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8679; Wed, 13 Jul 94 19:47:57 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4474; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 19:47:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 17:11:39 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: P.S. - Trackballs X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND An important part of my trackball setup is a mouse pad with a wrist rest built in. The trackball sits on the mouse pad, which keeps the wrist pad from sliding away. It is a nice soft spot for the palm/wrist - especially that little pisiform bone that sticks out and gets sore from resting on a hard surface. It is made by Silicon Sports. Lots of stores carry their stuff - the jigsaw stuff, for instance - and it is also available from my company. Send private mail for info. Another piece of shareware that saves the need to hold a button while dragging on the Macintosh is "AutoMenus." The moment the cursor hits the menu item, the menu pops down, you can drag freely to your choice, and then the click to choose is the only time you need to touch the button. I love it, as do most people who I've passed it on to. Get it from Michael Conrad, 331 Orange Avenue, Mountain View, CA 94043 for $13. The disk has some other shareware goodies as well. It can also be found in the AppleLink disability solutions location. Too bad there isn't a Sorehand software library somewhere. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 12:15:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA16935; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:15:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 12:19:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9407141619.AA10902@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6608; Thu, 14 Jul 94 12:19:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8428; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:19:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8738; Thu, 14 Jul 94 09:19:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7683; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 09:19:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:09:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: CTS - Surgery??? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407140003.AA17497@world.std.com> Dennis, DON'T get surgery ithout trying more therapeutic options. locate a "physiatrist" right away. Get a second opionin. And yes youll probably have to change some of your work hapbits. ...COD -- Craig O'Donnell | Editor, RSI Network Newsletter on Internet dadadata@world.std.com | Author of Cool Mac Sounds (Hayden 1993) On Wed, 13 Jul 1994, dennis raber wrote: > My orthopedic doctor is recommending surgery for my CTS... I would like some > information from those of you who have had surgery or alternatives to surgery > that have worked. > > I'm a full-time student and part-time carpenter (full-time during school break s > and 24 hs/week during school), so resting the arm doesn't seem to be a real > and 24 hs/week during school), so resting the arm doesn't seem to be a real > option at this point. I have been suffering from CTS for several years now, > and I am wearing a wrist brace at night and taking 500 mg of Naprosyn a day. > I have already tried cortisone shots, and they didn't seem to have any lasting > effect. At this point, surgery sounds like a good alternative, since just > about everything else has failed. I'm worried, however, about long-term > effects of surgery. > > Thanks in advance... > > Dennis Raber > > ********************************************************************** > AUDRR@asuvm.inre.asu.edu > Dennis & Karyl Raber > ********************************************************************** > From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 12:46:59 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA17042; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:46:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 12:52:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407141652.AA11310@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6968; Thu, 14 Jul 94 12:51:51 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9353; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:51:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1192; Thu, 14 Jul 94 09:52:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9775; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 09:52:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 09:49:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: In Oregon? X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >>P.S.: Is there anyone else on this list who is in Oregon? I'm in Gresham, a suburb of Portland. Margaret Berson<< Me, I'm in Corvallis, Oregon! Currently a student at OSU which is how I get my access to the internet. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 13:09:37 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id NAA17105; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 13:09:36 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 13:15:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9407141715.AA11656@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7195; Thu, 14 Jul 94 13:14:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9913; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 13:14:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2852; Thu, 14 Jul 94 10:14:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1257; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 10:14:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 10:03:00 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Karen Whitehouse Subject: Re: more on VISI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Jim wrote about what VISI is, but what are the symptoms? I'm preparing for another trip to the doctor, since the "balance in my life" he prescribed is not helping a whole lot, and I want to be able to check out all likely problems. Also, what kind of doctor should I see for tendonitis and to check for fibromyalgia? The specialty "rheumatology" appeared next to most doctors' names in the info I got from the Fibromyalgia Network, but most of you on the list seem to go to orthopedic doctors (sorry, I don't know the noun form) and physiologists. I'm trying to uncover why I've been getting tendonitis for ten of my 23 years. It's not just typing, either, because I get in in my feet, too. Suggestions? You can reply either on the list or privately. Karen kwhitehouse@computer.org From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 14:41:43 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA17377; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:41:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:46:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9407141846.AA12794@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8161; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:46:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2423; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:46:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9634; Thu, 14 Jul 94 11:46:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2117; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:46:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:45:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > board which has a low profile and is angled to the right and left, > somewhat ergonomically. I rest my forearms on my desk and my palms on > the front of the keyboard (it is designed for that purpose) - I love > it. I sell the Marquardt. Ironically enough, it is my least popular > keyboard; it seems to work best for those who have high desks and lots > of table top space. I also sell swinging - adjustable forearm > supports (eruopean mfg.) and have gotten good feedback regarding this > product. It clips to the edge of the desk and can be adjusted up & > down. It will move to the right/left as you move to mouse or use your > 10 key numpad. Again, from "Repetitive Strain Injury, A Computer User's Guide": The most common postural mistake people make is resting their wrists, elbows, or forearms on the edge of the desk or the wrist rest while they type. It seems easier to them, but it actually is not. You wouldn't throw a baseball very far if you threw from the wrist alone because you wouldn't have any power. It is like trying to walk using only your feet, without involving your hips or knees; you are making all the little muscles and tendons do the work the big muscles should be doing, and you are asking for trouble. When you type, let your wrists float above the wrist rest. Rest your wrists *only* while you aren't typing. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 19:17:39 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA00766; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 19:17:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 17:22:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9407142122.AA14737@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9826; Thu, 14 Jul 94 17:21:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6963; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 17:21:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9681; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:21:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4488; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:21:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 16:57:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: greetings (fwd) X-To: sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ??? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 13:28:32 EDT From: Sheila Patterson, Postmaster To: Multiple recipients of list RSI-EAST Subject: greetings I've recently been diagnosed with pronator terres syndrome (it's a small muscle used to rotate the forearm) but a lot of the symptoms are like carpal tunnel and other symptoms are more like arthritis. *I* know what it is... it's mouse syndrome (move, click... move, click, click) and I also know that it hurts... a lot. The odd thing is that my left arm is affected too (hmm... telephone answering ?). I've been on anti-inflammatory drugs (daypro) and B6 (I also take high potency B-complex) for a couple of months now and have had some relief. I went to a chiropractor (who was the first to say that it was pronator terres rather than carpal tunnel) and he just made it hurt more. I'm going to see a physical therapist on Monday and I want to start learning more about what is wrong with my arms. Does anyone on this list have any experience with pain in the forearms, elbows, and upper arms ? Has anyone ever heard of this pronator terres syndrom ? Sheila Patterson, CIT CR-Technical Support Group, Interbit Postmaster 315 CCC - Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (607) 255-5388 From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 20:20:13 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id UAA00917; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:20:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 20:23:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9407150023.AA16880@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1252; Thu, 14 Jul 94 20:23:26 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0820; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:23:26 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9658; Thu, 14 Jul 94 17:20:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9889; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 17:20:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:11:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: G Martin X-To: C+HEALTH@IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU, RSI-EAST@SJUVM.BITNET, GUISPEAK@VM1.NODAK.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I am looking at purchasing one of two voice recognition systems. They are the IBM Personal Dictation System or Dragon Dictate. I have two questions. 1. Do any of you know of other systems that have about as good as features as these two do? 2. Have you used any voice recognition system, including these two, when you had a sore throat or cold that altered your voice? If so, how much did that impact its accuracy? Thanks. Gary gmartin@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 14 20:56:53 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id UAA00957; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:56:51 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 94 21:00:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9407150100.AA17260@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1546; Thu, 14 Jul 94 21:00:01 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1607; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 21:00:01 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2291; Thu, 14 Jul 94 18:00:06 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1645; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 18:00:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:58:24 EDT Reply-To: reid@acadia.image.Kodak.COM Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: James Reid Subject: Re: more on VISI To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi Karen. For my VISI: I've suffered from what my physician diagnosed as tendonitis for ~3 years. A "soreness" in my forearms, wrist, and hands, usually after extended periods of heavy hacking. A little rest & relaxation usually made them feel better, so I was convinced his diagnoses was correct. The last 2-3 months though, it had gotten worse. Extreme pain in my wrists, and long rests weren't helping as much. I asked to see a specialist. An orthopedist told me about the VISI. VISI makes the tendonitis more severe, as my wrists are (not to the human eye) deformed. I took some extended R & R after that, and I "almost" feel better. I'm looking into a voice recognition system, so I'm optimistic that worst case I'll only be typing like this maybe 1-2 more years. Good luck! Jim Reid reid@kodak.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 03:19:04 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id DAA02232; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 03:19:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 03:11:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407150711.AA22188@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3151; Fri, 15 Jul 94 03:10:52 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6705; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 03:10:52 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3939; Fri, 15 Jul 94 00:11:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1813; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 00:11:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 03:09:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Tom, thanks for the quote, however the one thing that I have come to learn in th e course of showing individuals various "ergonomically designed" keyboards is that what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. Clearly if we new for a fact which keyboard design was the best or most appropriate we would not see so many different designs on the market. I have had individuals come to me who were told that they should use keyboard "X" because it would allow them to keep a neutral position, only to find that keyboard "X" increased their discomfort and that they surprisingly felt much better w/ keyboard "Y". I have even seen individuals position keyboards in a fashion which you would not think to be comfortable - but they are quite happy. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 10:15:43 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id KAA02785; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:15:42 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 10:19:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9407151419.AA25452@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5404; Fri, 15 Jul 94 10:18:56 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2984; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:18:56 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7353; Fri, 15 Jul 94 07:19:07 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5004; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 07:19:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:16:24 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Thomas Doris (AED-EWD)" Subject: CTS X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND There are several literature publications on the nutritional aspects of CTS. Here are two of them: "Survey of New Data on Treatment with Pyridoxine of Patients Having a Clinical Syndrome Including the Carpal Tunnel and other Defects" Ellis, John M. et al Research Communications in Chemical Pathology and Pharmacology, Vol. 13, No. 4, April 76, pp 745-755 Folkers, Karl, et al "Biochemical Evidence for a Deficiency of Vitamine B6 in the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" Acta Pharmacentica Suecica, Vol. 14, Supplement, 1977 pp 38-39 \ May help somebody! Tom Doris From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 12:55:20 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA03030; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 12:55:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 12:58:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9407151658.AA27164@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7022; Fri, 15 Jul 94 12:58:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7178; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 12:58:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9263; Fri, 15 Jul 94 09:58:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7659; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 09:58:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 09:57:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts Subject: Re: Are forearm supports effective? Any good sources? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > > Tom, thanks for the quote, however the one thing that I have come to > learn in th e course of showing individuals various "ergonomically > designed" keyboards is that what is good for the goose is not > necessarily good for the gander. Clearly if we new for a fact which > keyboard design was the best or most appropriate we would not see so > many different designs on the market. I have had individuals come to > me who were told that they should use keyboard "X" because it would > allow them to keep a neutral position, only to find that keyboard "X" > increased their discomfort and that they surprisingly felt much better > w/ keyboard "Y". I have even seen individuals position keyboards in a > fashion which you would not think to be comfortable - but they are > quite happy. My purpose in posting was to warn against resting arms/wrists while typing. Tom From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 14:18:10 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA03251; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:18:09 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 13:45:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9407151745.AA27786@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7496; Fri, 15 Jul 94 13:45:02 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8412; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:45:02 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2660; Fri, 15 Jul 94 10:45:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1840; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:45:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:44:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Knotts X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > > I am looking at purchasing one of two voice recognition systems. They are > the IBM Personal Dictation System or Dragon Dictate. I have two questions. > > 1. Do any of you know of other systems that have about as good as features > as these two do? > > 2. Have you used any voice recognition system, including these two, when > you had a sore throat or cold that altered your voice? If so, how > much did that impact its accuracy? > From WWW: 9) IN3 (in-cube) Voice Command Voice: 404-925-7950 Fax: 404-925-7924 Command Corp, Inc. 3675 Crestwood Parkway P.O. Box 956099 Duluth, GA 30136-9502, U.S.A. E-Mail: in3@gacc.atl.ga.us Contact: Brantley Kelly Platforms: Sun Sparc (SunOS or Solaris) and MS Windows 3.1. Price: Sun: $495, without microphone, available separately for $195 (ask for IN3 Pro, not Voice Command) MS Windows: $179 (Voice Command) or $395 (IN3 Pro) (IN3 Pro for MS Windows includes a microphone) For Sun, IN3 provides a complete navigation solution, including voice macros. A developer API is also available. The native Sparc audio is used for input. IN3 can be found on Sun's Catalyst CDware. For MS Windows, IN3 provides a solution similar to the Sun. Most 8 and 16 bit audio cards are supported. A developer API is also available. Windows 3.1 and a 386 or better processor are required. Demos can be found on Compuserve, America On-Line, and various comp.binaries.ms-windows archive site and BBS systems. For typing-injured users, they recommend the IN3 Pro product, rather than the cheaper Voice Command. 5) DragonDictate Phone: 800-TALK-TYP or 617-965-5200 Fax: 617-527-0372 E-Mail: support@dragonsys.com Dragon Systems, Inc. 320 Nevada Street Newton, MA 02160 Prices: DragonDictate Starter $695 (5k word active vocab,1K global macro,.5K app specific macros) DragonDictate Classic $995 (30K active vocab, 5K global macro,2K app specific macros) DragonDictate Power $1995 (15K,30K,45K,60K word active vocab,5K global macro,2K app specific macros) Upgrade prices from older version are also available. Shipping: Now. Compatibility: 486/33 (or higher) recommended PC only (3rd party support for Mac) Free software support for X windows is also available -- your PC with Dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a serial cable or network. The program is called a2x, and is available via anonymous ftp: ftp.csua.berkeley.edu:/pub/typing-injury/a2x.tar.Z ftp.x.org:/contrib/a2x.tar.Z (most current) (NOTE: export.lcs.mit.edu is no longer the home of X software. You should do your ftp's to ftp.x.org) If you want to use your Dragon product with X windows, you may want to ask for Peter Cohen, an salesman at Dragon who knows more about this sort of thing. Dragon Systems sells a number of voice recognition products. Most (if not all) of them seem to run on PC's and compatibles (including PS/2's and other MicroChannel boxes). They sell you a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number of popular word processors and spreadsheets. Each user `trains' the system to their voice, and there are provisions to correct the system when it makes mistakes, on the fly. Multiple people can use it, but you have to load a different personality file for each person. You still get the use of your normal keyboard, too. On the DragonDictate Classic, you need to pause 1/10th sec between words. Dragon claims typical input speeds of 30-40 words per minute. Dragon's technology is also part of the following products (about which I have no other info): Microsoft Windows Sound System (Voice Pilot) IBM VoiceType Voice Navigator II (by Articulate Systems -- for Macintosh) EMStation (by Lanier Voice Products -- "emergency medical workstation") 7) IBM Speech Server Series (ISSS) / Personal Dictation System (PDS) IBM Corporation Phone: Contact your IBM sales rep or call 800-TALK-2ME ISSS and PDS are built around the same technology. ISSS uses an IBM RS/6000 and PDS uses any PC running OS/2. Price: ISSS: Starts around $5000 for a stand-alone system PDS: $499 Software and microphone $499 ISA card $579 Microchannel card Shipping: Now. ISSS/PDS supports a 30,000 word dictionary. It's speaker-dependent, so requires training (1-2 hours). ISSS/PDS recognize US and UK English, French, German, Spanish and Italian. ISSS/PDS can control any X or OS/2 application, and supports user- customizable profiles for macros. A developer's API is also available. Dictation rates of 70-100 words per minute are possible with 95-99 percent accuracy, including a model of the language to disambiguate words such as "to", "two", and "too". IBM also makes some voice products not really intended for the "handicap" market with continuous speech and smaller vocubularies. Call them for more details. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 14:38:25 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id OAA03287; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:38:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:42:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9407151842.AA28499@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8084; Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:40:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0075; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:40:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6631; Fri, 15 Jul 94 11:40:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6392; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 11:40:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:38:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Mark London Subject: Apple disability programs via ftp? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi Someone here mentioned software for the Mac which causes a menu to be displayed as soon as the pointer is placed over it's entry in the menu bar. I would like to find this software via anonymous ftp. Does anyone know if this is possible? I know about the sumex ftp site, but it would help if I knew the name of the utility. Thanks! Mark From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 17:18:57 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA03918; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:18:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 17:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9407152115.AA00742@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0602; Fri, 15 Jul 94 17:15:16 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6049; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:15:17 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6369; Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:15:26 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7268; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:15:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:10:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Scott T. Lary" Subject: Re: Apple disability programs via ftp? X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND ditto From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 17:37:42 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA04141; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:37:40 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 17:41:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9407152141.AA01078@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1593; Fri, 15 Jul 94 17:40:49 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9803; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:40:49 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7651; Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:41:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8443; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:40:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:39:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Joy Linn Subject: Forearm Pain X-To: SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Sheila writes: (among other things) >>more about what is wrong with my arms. Does anyone on this list have any experience with pain in the forearms, elbows, and upper arms ? Has anyone ever heard of this pronator terres syndrom ?<< I've been to a physical therapist 4 times now for tendonitis in my brachio radialus - near the pronator terres (so I've been told). It's in my left arm (all my arm problem are) and seem aggravated by pronation. Becomes quite achy and sore, with no position of my arm comfortable. Frustrating. He has been doing ionophoresis followed every other time by hard massage - doesn't feel good after a while. Then icing for 7 minutes or so. I have gained some relief (that's how I can be typing this today:-) But it is somewhat chronic, having first started in December. My MD kept saying it was a muscle thing and there wasn't anything he could do. After 2 visits and continued cycling of pain I decided there must be something that can be done. Posted here and COD (Chuck I think, bad memory) said he'd had something. So, feeling encouraged I asked for a referral and here I am, presumably getting better. I've been taking Naprosyn 500mg/day plus the occasionally B6 to help too. Joy Linn linnj@ucs.orst.edu ********************************************************************* The Endangered Species Act doesn't need to be balanced by economic considerations; the Endangered Species Act _is_ the balance. -Anon From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Fri Jul 15 18:55:48 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA04277; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 18:55:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:46:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407152246.AA02178@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2033; Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:46:33 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1142; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 18:46:33 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0779; Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:46:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1707; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 15:46:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:45:48 MDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Tom Doyle Subject: Re: greetings (fwd) To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 14 JUL 1994 06:57:39 MDT Make sure about the pronator teres thing. The pronator teres doesn't have anything to do with clicking, etc. the mouse. It originates in the upper arm and attaches about mid-way down the forearm (it doesn't move the fingers or thumb). Your problem sounds more like a tennis elbow thing. What else (other activities) do you do that might cause your arm stress? Regards, Tom Doyle From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 16 15:31:54 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA06533; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 15:31:53 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jul 94 15:35:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9407161935.AA10922@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6203; Sat, 16 Jul 94 15:35:13 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3915; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 15:35:13 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6785; Sat, 16 Jul 94 12:35:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5211; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:35:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:08:55 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Pronation X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Make sure about the pronator teres thing. The pronator teres > doesn't have anything to do with clicking, etc. the mouse. Careful. The "pronator" teres does just that - pronates, or causes the forearm to rotate placing the hand into a flattened posture. It may not cause the action of clicking with the finger, but it is very much involved in the overall process of mousing and typing. In fact, it is even more at risk because it is being used in a continual contraction. When we move the fingers, the muscles are contracting and releasing, and this actually helps pump needed blood. During static use (continuous contraction), circulation is significantly restricted until the muscle can relax. Remember that this is not just about the fingers, but the entire arm, shoulders, neck muscles, in fact the whole body. It makes sense to me that the pronator teres are at risk from computer use. Anyone else agree? Gary Karp Onsight From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 16 16:47:32 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id QAA06615; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 16:47:31 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jul 94 15:34:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407161934.AA10918@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6200; Sat, 16 Jul 94 15:34:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3909; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 15:34:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6751; Sat, 16 Jul 94 12:34:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5188; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:34:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:08:54 -0800 Reply-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Gary L. Karp" Organization: Faludi Computing, San Francisco Subject: Apple Disability Solutions X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND > Someone here mentioned software for the Mac which causes a menu to > be displayed as soon as the pointer is placed over it's entry in the menu bar. > I would like to find this software via anonymous ftp. Does anyone know if > this is possible? I know about the sumex ftp site, but it would help if I > knew the name of the utility. Thanks! It was me. I am unaware of whether it is possible to access AppleLink conferences via anonymous ftp. I'm inclined to doubt it. The AppleLink help line number is 408/974-3309. The utility I mentioned is called AutoMenus, it was develped by Michael Conrad and he can be reached at 3311 Orange Avenue, Mountain View, CA 94043. He charges $13 to send a disk with AutoMenus II and a variety of other neat tools. Macintosh only. FYI. I will be offline from Wednesday, July 20 to Tuesday July 26. Vacation #1. Gary Karp Onsight Technology Education Services San Francisco From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 16 18:17:26 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA06716; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 18:17:25 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jul 94 18:21:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9407162221.AA12000@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6883; Sat, 16 Jul 94 18:20:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5594; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 18:20:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9913; Sat, 16 Jul 94 15:20:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0824; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 15:20:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 15:18:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Susan J. Maller" Subject: HELP! X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi, everbody! I had signed-off of Sorehand for a while, because I was writing my dissertation and was unable to spend any time reading email. So, I apologize for asking questions that may have been answered during that period of time. First, my new employer is willing to buy me adaptive equipment for my computer. The problem is I don't know what I want. I own a DragonDictate 2.0 system and wrote much of my dissertation using it. But, I have to admit, I'm not satisfied with it and find myself using a keyboard more than I should. Since I got my system (11 months ago), I have learned that version 3.0 is out and a Windows version is coming out. Has anyone out there upgraded from 2.0 to 3.? If so, is it any better? I was also shocked to learn how much the price has come down and feel like I was ripped off (I mean $4,000 is a HUGE decrease). Dragon never contacted me to inform me that the upgrades were out. I am also considering an alternative keyboard, such as the COmfort keyboard or Kinesis. What do you all think of these? I have read the stuff on SODA, but I would like more info, such as how light of a touch you need. Those of you who own them, please write to me at SJMLEE@ccit.arizona.edu. Also, I'm concerned that my fingers will still hurt from even an alternative keyboard.. I have arthritis and tendonitis and have had wrist surgery. Has anyone had experience with the IBM voice system? My friend told me about it. Basically, I need to tell my new employer what I want ASAP. Is anyone completely satisfied with their adaptive equipment? I'm not and don't want to purchase another thing that is going to frustrate me even more. Susan Maller From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 16 18:17:28 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA06718; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 18:17:26 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jul 94 17:52:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9407162152.AA11821@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6780; Sat, 16 Jul 94 17:52:08 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5356; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 17:52:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9327; Sat, 16 Jul 94 14:52:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9138; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 14:52:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 14:48:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Evans Subject: Re: Kluge Keyboard? X-To: Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199406290436.VAA03808@cygnus.com> (Gary_L._Karp@faludi.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:12:00 -0800 From: "Gary L. Karp" > Suppose one built a keyboard that essentially looked like this: > Take two joysticks (or anything else molded to the hand), put 5 switches > on each, and presto - a 10 key keyboard that one could use while resting > one's hands in one's lap. With a bit of software it would be trivial > to build up any kind of chording or multi-stroke keyboard you wanted. You have essentially described The BAT. Infogrip, 800/397-0921 I called Infogrip and they sent me some literature. Unfortunately, the BAT isn't what I had in mind at all (was my description that bad? :-). What I'm looking for is something like the Twiddler. Is there anything else out there like the Twiddler? From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sat Jul 16 19:22:01 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA06841; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 19:21:59 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jul 94 19:25:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407162325.AA12444@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7214; Sat, 16 Jul 94 19:25:26 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6444; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 19:25:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0899; Sat, 16 Jul 94 16:25:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2843; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 16:25:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 16:21:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Evans Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@CMSA.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407162223.PAA01996@cygnus.com> (SJMLEE@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 15:18:31 -0700 From: "Susan J. Maller" Basically, I need to tell my new employer what I want ASAP. Is anyone completely satisfied with their adaptive equipment? I'm not and don't want t o purchase another thing that is going to frustrate me even more. I found a dealer that would let me rent the DataHand for a month and then use the rental fee towards the purchase price. The DataHand is expensive enough that this kind of thing is more than reasonable. I'm not saying the DataHand is for you, but whatever keyboard you're looking for it would be a good idea to spend some time finding someone who will let you try the keyboard out for awhile. An afternoon at a store, or even a full day on the keyboard is not enough time, IMHO, to give one a high degree of confidence that the keyboard will serve you well in the long run. I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, and I'd be interested in hearing counter-arguments that a day or even a week is way more than enough time to know whether any particular keyboard "is the one for you." It wouldn't hurt to ask local dealers, if there are any, about the possibility of renting some to try. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 17 15:18:42 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA08592; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 15:18:41 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jul 94 15:22:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9407171922.AA18223@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0059; Sun, 17 Jul 94 15:22:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5411; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 15:22:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2829; Sun, 17 Jul 94 12:22:20 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3913; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 12:22:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 09:33:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Kris Montgomery Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Susan: I saw a demo of DD for Windows a week ago and was impressed, tho' not awed. I never saw the DOS version, so can't compare the two. I think the Windows version is very new, tho' a dealer tells me that if I buy it now, I can get the DOS version and then the Windows upgrade for free. I say call your dealer and/or DD and hash this out. By the by, I saw the demo at DCR Discount Computer Rentals in San Rafael, CA. The company is phasing out their sales of DD, tho', because DD will soon be sold in retail computer stores, not through distributors. They estimate that that will be the case by '95. Kris montgome@sonoma.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 17 17:52:13 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA08751; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 17:52:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jul 94 17:56:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9407172156.AA19099@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0621; Sun, 17 Jul 94 17:55:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6941; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 17:55:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8464; Sun, 17 Jul 94 14:55:36 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3243; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 14:55:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:23:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I agree with you re: needing to use keyboard for more than an hour or a day. Often people come to me with instructions from the Dr., PT, OT, friend, etc., that they should only use X keyboard. With that mind set they insist on buying only to learn after a few days that that keyboard doesn't seem to address their comfort/posture needs. I have noted that usually within a few minutes or hours an individual can determine if a keyboard is worthwhile taking the opportunity to further evaluate it. But only with a couple of days of trying it out can they truely get use to the different layout or feel of the keyboard (usually for the first two/three days productivity also goes down, while the user grows use to the keyboard). When I sell a keyboard it is with a 30 day money back less 10% restocking (unit of course must be in new condition); however that 10% is good toward the purchase of a different keyboard. If anyone is interested, e-mail me. Also, I have noted that what is good for the goose is not good for the gander; those who find that the Comfort Keyboard works for them, usually do not find that the Kinesis works for them and of course the reverse is true. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 17 17:52:20 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id RAA08756; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 17:52:19 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jul 94 17:56:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9407172156.AA19106@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0622; Sun, 17 Jul 94 17:55:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6943; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 17:55:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8478; Sun, 17 Jul 94 14:56:01 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3401; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 14:56:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:14:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Susan - as with most software packages upgrades usually reflect improved performance, greater ease of use, etc. Re: price; I am sure that those who purchased DD for $10K felt the sameway when you purchased the product for $5K. Unfortunately the initial users usuer have to bare the cost of development - that is simply the way of the market place. Aside from DD, Comfort Keyboard and Kenesis Ergonomic Keyboard, I sell special hardware and software products for the blind and visually impaired. One of the products which I sell was at one time (15 years ago?) about $65K (in current dollars add 25%) and was (in comparison to today's version) clumsy, primative, hard to use, etc. Today the same product sells for $5.5K and is a 1000 times better - that is how development goes. As we se ergonomic keyboards become more common place, they too will drop in price from $400/$800 range (depending on brank) to $50 range. With greater demand these products can be manufactured mose cost effectively and the cost of R&D, advertising, engineering, etc. can be spread out over a greater number of units. Some logic applies to household appliances; the sterio, TV, VCR, regrig., etc. which you buy today would have cost you five fold years ago - and these are products which are sold in the millions - compare with ergonomic keyboards, DD, or whatever specialized products which are only sold in the tens of thousands (or even just thousands). For what it is worth, I have two legally blind brothers, clearly they have special needs for adaptive computer equipment, which is costly. But if engineers, corporations, etc. don't make a healthy product, they make refrigerators instead of scanners for the blind. If they don't make a healthy product, they can't tell the world that special equipment is available to help them. And if they don't make a healthy profit they can't affort to support their products with improvements. I often show equipment who clearly need it and ultimately can't affort it - I feel for them and it saddens me that I can't find a financial way to help But it bugs the hell out of me when someone complains about the price and then goes off and buys a Volvo or a $5,000 entertainment system. Shouldn't the engineer, manufacture or the salesman have the same ability to earn a living and buy a decent car? Why should these people work at a sacrifice just to provide others? We have no more right to expect these people to work at a discount (except for those who are truly in need) then we do in asking Drs. or Nurses to work at a discount. Sorry for unloading on you - but this is a sore point. I am sure that this will make me some enemies, but I guess that is the price paid for freedom of speech. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 17 18:06:45 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA08789; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 18:06:43 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jul 94 18:10:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9407172210.AA19215@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0679; Sun, 17 Jul 94 18:10:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7116; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 18:10:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8767; Sun, 17 Jul 94 15:10:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3656; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 15:10:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:07:53 GMT+1200 Reply-To: nstanger@commerce.otago.ac.nz Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Nigel Stanger Subject: Re: Kluge Keyboard? X-To: dje@CYGNUS.COM, SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND >From: Doug Evans > From: "Gary L. Karp" > > > Suppose one built a keyboard that essentially looked like this: > > Take two joysticks (or anything else molded to the hand), put 5 switches > > on each, and presto - a 10 key keyboard that one could use while resting > > one's hands in one's lap. With a bit of software it would be trivial > > to build up any kind of chording or multi-stroke keyboard you wanted. > >I called Infogrip and they sent me some literature. >Unfortunately, the BAT isn't what I had in mind at all (was my description >that bad? :-). What I'm looking for is something like >the Twiddler. Is there anything else out there like the Twiddler? If you want to make it really neat, make it wireless. I don't know about the feasibility of this -- ideally I would want to be able to use it from anywhere i n the office (bounce it off the walls?). I don't know whether that's possible or not, but I've seen a couple of TV remotes that could do similar (point it 180 degrees _aw ay_ from the TV and change channels!). I reckon the only thing better than being able to wander around the office while typing would be a dictation system, but they are _ex$pen$ive_. (Well, they are o n my budget anyway ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nigel Stanger, Internet: stanger@otago.ac.nz University of Otago, Phone: +64 3 479-8179 Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND. Fax: +64 3 479-8311 From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Sun Jul 17 22:17:15 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id WAA09127; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 22:17:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jul 94 22:01:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9407180201.AA20753@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1374; Sun, 17 Jul 94 22:00:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9216; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 22:00:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2537; Sun, 17 Jul 94 19:00:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9233; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 19:00:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 21:58:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407162223.SAA06159@umbc3.umbc.edu> On Sat, 16 Jul 1994, Susan J. Maller wrote: > First, my new employer is willing to buy me adaptive equipment for my > computer. The problem is I don't know what I want. I own a DragonDictate 2.0 I'm curious, what kind of work will you be doing? (It's good your employer will help you out.) > I am also considering an alternative keyboard, such as the COmfort keyboard or > Kinesis. What do you all think of these? I have read the stuff on SODA, but > I would like more info, such as how light of a touch you need. Those of you > who own them, please write to me at SJMLEE@ccit.arizona.edu. Also, I'm The Comfort is too expensive for me, I've been looking into the Kinesis and Ergologic 1.7, I'm now leaning torwards the latter, but I've yet to try either one. One of these keyboards with voice would be great (I'm going to grad school now), but it's so much money! Regards, | I got a guy in here who can't talk objectively Joseph M. Reagle Jr. | about orifices! - Dr. Fleischman, NXP. reagle@umbc.edu | http://umbc8.umbc.edu/~reagle/home.html From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 01:09:57 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id BAA18367; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 01:09:56 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 01:13:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9407180513.AA22126@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2224; Mon, 18 Jul 94 01:13:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1484; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 01:13:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1552; Sun, 17 Jul 94 22:13:27 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1158; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 22:13:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 01:12:15 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Doug Ross Subject: Re: Worker's Comp Lawyer... X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Brill and Parker, Atty's, Berkeley, CA.( or Parker and Brill?) honest and straightforward as far as I can see. Doug Ross. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 06:48:40 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id GAA25002; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 06:48:38 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 06:52:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181052.AA24530@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2929; Mon, 18 Jul 94 06:52:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3587; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 06:52:04 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9022; Mon, 18 Jul 94 03:52:13 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4986; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 03:52:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 06:50:40 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: keyboards X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND It sounds like this forum is very familiar with the Comfort, Kinesis, and Ergologic (aka Key Tronic) keyboards, but not with the new Lexmark one. Check out the August 4 issue of PCWeek (upcoming). Or call Lexmark; they have an 800 number. This keyboard is a split/ angled one, with a ball-type hinge at the top of the split. You can put it into positions identical to the Ergologic and similar to most Comfort positions (but it doesn't tent when the parts are separated). You can separate the parts when flat like the Kinesis. It has a conventional layout so differs from the Kinesis. It's not programmable like the Comfort. Aside from the split/angle (which is extremely versatile and stable), its only other difference from regular keyboards is that the left part of the space bar can be a backspace key. And it lists at $179. It's worth checking out. I have no commercial ties to this company. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 08:17:25 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA25096; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:17:24 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:17:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181217.AA24960@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3257; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:16:44 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4517; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:16:44 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0908; Mon, 18 Jul 94 05:16:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6062; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 05:16:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:14:40 -0300 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jaye Organization: Acadia University Subject: two questions for discussion To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Interestingly, during an assessment my pt noticed that I'm almost double jointed in my elbow and my wrist. I sometimes feel my ulnar (outside) bone pain, which subsides when I move it back into place. I also often hear a "click" when moving my wrist. I've had tendonitis and now am getting carpal tunnel symptoms. I'm wondering if others also have this and how much, if any, your medical advisors say this contributes. Also, How much RAM is needed to run both DD for Dos and DD for win? I'm putting in a proposal for voice rec, but am hearing different amounts of RAM is needed. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jaye Fraser Acadia University Library Library Systems Consultant Wolfville, NS jfraser@admin.acadiau.ca (902) 542-2201 ext. 1602 Cahn's Axiom: "When all else fails, read the instructions!" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 08:32:23 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA25105; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:32:22 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181236.AA25076@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3421; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:35:48 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4899; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:35:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1885; Mon, 18 Jul 94 05:35:56 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6775; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 05:35:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 07:36:06 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Rebecca Koscik Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BitNet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Susan, There is another voice recognition product, called Kurzweil, but it is very similar to Dragon Dictate. I am currently considering purchasing one of these two, so I would love to hear why you find Dr.Dict. so frustrating. Good luck with your search! Rebecca Koscik koscik@biostat.wisc.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 10:58:56 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id KAA25357; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:58:54 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 11:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181502.AA26189@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4937; Mon, 18 Jul 94 11:02:23 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8818; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 11:02:23 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9909; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:02:11 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5782; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:02:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:58:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "MARY PAX-SHIPLEY I am new to this list and am very glad it exists. To make a long story short, I have been suffering from bilateral hand/wrist/forearm/elbow RSI for two years now. I am currently seeing my own orthopedic surgeon sporadically (when my hands get really bad), but he admits that he really doesn't know exactly whats wrong with me. I was originally diagnosed with tendonitis, then tenosynovitis and now possible CTS. I display some symptoms of CTS, but not all. I have continued weak- ness in my hands and wrists. Sometimes aching, sometimes tingling, sometimes numbness (usually from extreme swelling) and I have chronic pain in both hands. Most of the time I can tolerate it. Anyway, does anyone know a good doctor in Northern Virginia? I like my doctor -- he is the only one who has helped me -- but I'd like to really know what's wrong with me. Secondly, I need a good attorney. I have filed for a hearing with the Virginia Workmans Compensation Commission and feel I need legal assistance. I live and work in Northern Virginia. Any help would be really appreciated. My e-mail address is 'mpax@pbs.org'. Thanks!! --Mary From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 11:47:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA25449; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 11:47:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 11:39:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181539.AA26579@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5496; Mon, 18 Jul 94 11:39:19 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0303; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 11:39:19 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3044; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:35:24 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5204; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:35:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 11:24:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carolyn Carleton Subject: Boston, MA, USA: RSI Action Meetings X-To: sorehand X-Cc: RSI-EAST To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Hi folks, I posted the notice about the first RSI Action meeting, and a number of internet readers attended. Please remember that it hurts me to type, and I don't have any adaptive technology to help me. If you have questions about the upcoming meetings or plan to attend, please call the following number and say that you saw it on the internet. The Office Technology Education Project telephone: 617-776-2777 To write to them using snail mail: The Office Technology Project 1 Summer Sreet Somerville, MA., USA 02143 OK, internet readers, here is the upcoming meetings information. "After a successful kick-off, two RSI Action meetings are scheduled." RSI Action Outreach and Education Committee Tuesday, July 19, 1994 6:30PM - 8:30PM 25 West St., 2nd floor conference room Boston, MA (near Park St. and Downtown Crossing T) RSI Action Policy Committee Thursday, July 21, 1994 7:00PM - 9:00PM 1 Summer St. Somerville, MA (Union Square, Somerville) New people are welcome to attend either committee meeting. I hope that this information helps people. The ususal disclaimer applies. This announcement has nothing to do with the views of my employer :-). Carolyn From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 11:57:16 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA25519; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 11:57:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 12:01:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181601.AA26920@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5716; Mon, 18 Jul 94 12:00:49 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0979; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 12:00:48 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5048; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:59:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0779; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:59:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 08:58:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Larry Urquhart Subject: Lexmark Keyboard X-To: Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Sy To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND REGARDING Lexmark Keyboard Chris, Thanks for the notice. What computer(s) does this work with? Your description/price sound very interesting. Larry Urquhart StarNine Technical Support 510 649-4949, FAX 510 548 0393 larry@starnine.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 12:13:16 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA25576; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 12:13:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 12:17:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181617.AA27085@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5880; Mon, 18 Jul 94 12:16:53 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1601; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 12:16:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6534; Mon, 18 Jul 94 09:17:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2918; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:16:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 12:14:20 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carol Wilson Subject: Looking for Some Advice To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Your message of 07/18/94 11:01 Mary, try calling the bar association in Virginia for a referral. Ask for a lawyer knowledgeable in computer related injuries who does workmens comp. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,@CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 15:19:35 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id PAA26560; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 15:19:32 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 13:50:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407181750.AA28157@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6889; Mon, 18 Jul 94 13:50:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4308; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:50:31 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3360; Mon, 18 Jul 94 10:50:41 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2894; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:50:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:48:29 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Steve Hansen Subject: Alternative pointing device X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Has anyone heard about a pointing device which you wear on your head? You point your head in a given direction to move the cursor. This is something which may actually be better for your neck (than keeping it still all the time). Steve Hansen shansen@adobe.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Mon Jul 18 23:11:59 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id XAA27776; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 23:11:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jul 94 23:16:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9407190316.AA04693@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1647; Mon, 18 Jul 94 23:15:42 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8322; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 23:15:42 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1668; Mon, 18 Jul 94 20:15:51 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4821; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 20:15:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 23:14:28 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Evan Kay Subject: Re: Deep tissue Massage X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND RE: Active approach Sure, Active exercises as opposed to passive treatment. (something done by the patient as opposed to to the patient. Evan Kay EKay@aol.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 08:17:29 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA29140; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:17:28 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 07:55:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191155.AA08482@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3244; Tue, 19 Jul 94 07:54:54 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2870; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 07:54:54 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4601; Tue, 19 Jul 94 04:55:02 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1624; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 04:55:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 07:49:24 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Chris.Grant@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU Subject: Lexmark Keyboard X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND It's an IBM-compatible board. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 09:27:03 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA29242; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 09:27:02 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 09:30:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191330.AA09350@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4274; Tue, 19 Jul 94 09:30:34 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7167; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 09:30:34 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9966; Tue, 19 Jul 94 06:30:39 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0134; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 06:30:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:29:07 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Connie J. Neuman" Organization: Minnesota Department of Health Subject: Are You Out There? X-To: sorehand%ucsfvm.bitnet@relay.tc.umn.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND As I was reading my mail this morning, it dawned on me I had not heard from Sorehand for quite awhile. Are you there? Maybe it's me who somehow got disconnected. I thought I'd try sending a message to the list before sending a query to the listserv. Thanks. --/\------------- Connie J. Neuman, Library Services | / Minnesota Department of Health | WE / 717 Delaware St SE, PO Box 9441 | / Minneapolis, MN 55440-9441 < ARE | 612-623-5091 FAX: 612-623-5385 | \ Internet: neuman@mdh-admin.health.state.mn.us |INFORMATION \ |______________\ From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 11:49:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA29704; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:49:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 11:53:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191553.AA10627@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5865; Tue, 19 Jul 94 11:52:43 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1241; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:52:43 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0701; Tue, 19 Jul 94 08:52:48 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8784; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:52:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:51:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Julie Unger McCullough Subject: Re: Looking for Some Advice To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407181518.AA04251@pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu> You asked for a Dr. in Northern Virginia. I have heard several recommendations of a specialized clinic that works with RSI's, musician's injuries, and sports injuries. It is associated with the National Rehab. Hospital located in D.C., but I think it is in Bethesda, Md. I haven't been, but primarily b/c I am with an HMO and have been working through their system. But this place comes highly recommended. If you haven't gotten more info and help from your MD in 2 years, you probably should look further. Get a copy of Emil Pascarelli's book, Repetitive Strain Injury: A Computer User's Guide. It's excellent and frequently gets mentioned on Sorehand. I showed my MD (a rheumatologist) a copy, and partly based on that, he added Physicial Therapy for my shoulders and neck to the PT I was already getting on my hands. You might want to look at it and then show it to your doc, and maybe get some further treatment based on that. Good luck, and I could maybe get you some more info on the local clinic, if you can't locate it through phone books, etc. Julie - Juliemcc@wam.umd.edu From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 12:56:47 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA29909; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 12:56:46 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 13:00:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191700.AA11383@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6652; Tue, 19 Jul 94 13:00:30 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3296; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:00:30 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5602; Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:00:38 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6634; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:00:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 12:51:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "MARY PAX-SHIPLEY Thanks for your help. I will check into that clinic and get the book. I went to see an attorney today who says I should win the hearing. The scarey thing is that the Commonwealth of Virginia doesn't have any job protection laws. So no matter what I do I could end up fired at some point. Sigh! The past two years have been a night- mare. And the weird part is, I really like my job. --Mary From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 18:17:10 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA01787; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:17:08 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 17:01:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9407192101.AA14764@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0660; Tue, 19 Jul 94 17:00:29 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9254; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:00:29 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9633; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:00:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3745; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:00:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:57:29 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "MARGARET M. BERSON" Subject: Dvorak keyboard X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.berkeley.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Does anyone have any experience (or know of any report) of the effect that changing to a Dvorak keyboard has on RSI? Margaret Berson I can receive e-mail from Internet or CompuServe if addressed as follows: Internet: MMB@NRP-WEST.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM CompuServe: MHS:MMB@NRP-WEST From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 18:26:30 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA01854; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:26:27 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:59:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191859.AA13290@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8022; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:59:25 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6954; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:59:25 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2841; Tue, 19 Jul 94 11:59:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5733; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:59:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:58:54 CDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Connie J. Neuman" Organization: Minnesota Department of Health Subject: I'm Back! X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Thanks to those of you who responded to my query this morning. Turns out I somehow was booted from the list. I have now resubbed and started receiving messages. At this point, I am not experiencing any pain or numbness in my hands. There was a time last year when I had "marginal tendonitis"; I really felt the "doc" had no idea what was wrong so just made a diagnosis. I don't remember how long it lasted or when it disappeared; but compared to most on this list it was short lived. I have also experienced brief episodes of tingling/numb sensation in my hands, this too has passed and I have not had any difficulties for quite awhile. Our department's safety officer came to my work station and helped me to make adjustments (a foot rest; and a wrist rest; as well as moving my monitor from the side to the center of my desk) which I'm sure had something to do with my improvement. Aside from receiving information for myself from this list, I am on my department's safety committee and have passed information/suggestions received from "SOREHAND" to that committee's meetings. Thank you once again for your replies to my a.m. message. It's good to be back. --/\------------- Connie J. Neuman, Library Services | / Minnesota Department of Health | WE / 717 Delaware St SE, PO Box 9441 | / Minneapolis, MN 55440-9441 < ARE | 612-623-5091 FAX: 612-623-5385 | \ Internet: neuman@mdh-admin.health.state.mn.us |INFORMATION \ |______________\ From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 18:26:35 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA01860; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:26:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:23:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191823.AA12747@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7629; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:23:28 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5920; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:23:28 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0835; Tue, 19 Jul 94 11:23:34 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3055; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:23:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:21:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Craig O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Looking for Some Advice X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407191708.AA09446@world.std.com> << So no matter what I do I could end up fired at some point. Sigh! The past two years have been a night- mare. And the weird part is, I really like my job. >> Not soo. You can sue for wrongful termination in most every state, and also you are protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act. --- COD From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 18:26:39 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA01865; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:26:37 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 13:47:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9407191747.AA12010@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7241; Tue, 19 Jul 94 13:47:14 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4901; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:47:14 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8531; Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:47:22 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9866; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:47:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:45:13 PDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Dana Bergen Subject: cortisone injections X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I've had about 8 or so in my back, one in each wrist, and two in each elbow. Only one of them helped me at all (one of the spine ones), but that one gave me incredible relief and the pain did not return for years. Based on this experience, my sense is that these injections often don't help, but occasionally help a whole lot, so doctors like to try them, especially in cases like tendonitis where they don't have a whole lot else to offer. I've heard of people who got great relief from them for wrist problems, but I've heard of more people who didn't. Does anyone know of any studies about this? All my information on this is anecdotal. Dana dana@sybase.com From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 19:51:13 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA02175; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 19:51:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 19:51:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9407192351.AA16757@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2048; Tue, 19 Jul 94 19:50:20 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2802; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 19:50:20 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9110; Tue, 19 Jul 94 16:50:28 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4000; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:50:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 19:53:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: SGAYNOR@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU Subject: subcription X-To: sorehand@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND subscribe SGAYNOR From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 20:41:34 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id UAA02263; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:41:33 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 20:45:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9407200045.AA17334@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2436; Tue, 19 Jul 94 20:44:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3825; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:44:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2323; Tue, 19 Jul 94 17:43:29 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8335; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:43:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:31:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Pete W. Johnson" Subject: Injured/Discomfort Using Computer Pointing Device?=>READ THIS X-To: BITNET sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND This note (which is being posted monthly) is for anyone who has been injured or experiencing discomfort using a computer pointing device (mouse, trackball, digitizing puck, pen stylus, tablet, etc.). I have been assisting computer operators who have been injured using pointing devices for the past 5 years. I am now presently doing research at the University of California's (San Francisco and Berkeley's) Ergonomics Lab on the design of computer pointing devices with the goal of reducing injuries associated with their use. In order to do this, I need to collect information on pointing device design characteristics (button design, button force, device size, device shape, etc.) that are important in minimizing and/or reducing the physical stresses operators are subjected to. Some of this information will be collected through my laboratory research, but a major and important source of information has to come from operators like yourself. I need to collect all the information I can from computer operators that have been injured as a result of pointing device use. In order to do this, I need your help. If you have been injured using a pointing device, I would appreciate it if you would send me a note with information pertaining to your injury. I would like the information e- mailed directly to me (petej@garnet.berkeley.edu). The format I would like the information sent to me is as follows, fill in as much as you can, there are 20 questions: 1) NAME: (optional) 2) AGE: (optional) 3) OCCUPATION (optional) 4) COMPANY: (optional) 5) PHONE #: (optional) 6) MANUFACTURER OF COMPUTER AND MODEL NUMBER: 7) AVERAGE NUMBER OF HOURS SPENT IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER PER DAY? (Check One): [ ] 1 Hour [ ] 2 Hours [ ] 3 Hours [ ] 4 Hours [ ] 5 Hours [ ] 6 Hours [ ] 7 Hours [ ] 8 Hours [ ] 8+ Hours Optional Comments (Type Below) 8) AVERAGE PERCENTAGE OF TIME SPENT USING A POINTING DEVICE?: (Check One) [ ] 10% [ ] 20% [ ] 30% [ ] 40% [ ] 50% [ ] 60% [ ] 70% [ ] 80% [ ] 90% [ ] 100% Optional Comments (Type Below) 9) POINTING DEVICE USED AT TIME OF DISCOMFORT/INJURY?: (Please be specific) a) MANUFACTURER b) MODEL OR PART NUMBER c) DESCRIPTION OF DEVICE (Type, #of Buttons, etc.) 10) NUMBER OF MONTHS/YEARS USING ABOVE POINTING DEVICE? 11) NUMBER OF MONTHS/YEARS USING POINTING DEVICES? 12) WHAT IS YOUR PRIMARY POINTING DEVICE MOVEMENT STYLE? (Check One) [ ] Arm Based - Use whole upper arm to move pointing device [ ] Wrist Based - Anchor wrist on worksurface and use hand/fingers [ ] Other (Please Specify) 13) PRIMARY SOFTWARE APPLICATION USED AT THE TIME OF YOUR DISCOMFORT/INJURY? 14) IS YOUR DISCOMFORT/INJURY DR. DIAGNOSED? (Check One) [ ] Yes [ ] No 15) TYPE OF INJURY(S) AND LOCATION(S)? (Check all that Apply) [ ] Tendinitis [ ] Tenosynovitis [ ] Epicondylitis [ ] Bursitis [ ] DeQuervain's Syndrome [ ] Myofacial (Muscle) Pain/Soreness [ ] Carpal Tunnel Syndrome [ ] Cubital Tunnel Syndrome [ ] Thoracic Outlet Syndrome [ ] Guyon's Canal [ ] Other (Please Specify Below) WHAT IS THE BODY LOCATION(S) OF YOUR DISCOMFORT/INJURY? (Check all that apply) [ ] Hand - General [ ] Back of Hand [ ] Thumb [ ] Index Finger [ ] Middle finger [ ] Ring Finger [ ] Little Finger [ ] Wrist [ ] Forearm [ ] Elbow [ ] Shoulder [ ] Neck [ ] Back [ ] Other (Please Specify Below) Please Elaborate on the Injury(s), Location(s), and Type of Pain Below (A short written description is needed)..... 16) HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE YOUR DISCOMFORT/INJURY? (Check One) [ ] Discomfort/Injury only on side using pointing device [ ] Discomfort/Injury on both sides [ ] Discomfort/Injury on both sides but more on side using pointing device [ ] Discomfort/Injury on both sides but more on non-pointing device side 17) WHAT WAS THE CAUSE(S) OF YOUR DISCOMFORT INJURY? (Check all that apply) [ ] Pointing Device Use - General [ ] Pointing Device Design [ ] Software Design [ ] Moving Pointing Device [ ] Button Use - General [ ] Clicking Buttons [ ] Dragging [ ] Pinching Pointing Device [ ] Pointing Device Placement [ ] Furniture Adjustment/Height [ ] Other (Please Specify Below) Please Elaborate on the Cause(s) Below (A short written description is needed)................. 18) HAVE YOU TRIED SWITCHING TO YOUR OTHER HAND TO USE POINTING DEVICE? (Check One) [ ] Yes, and problem developed in switched hand [ ] Yes, and no problem in switched hand [ ] No 19) ARE THERE ANY OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU THINK CONTRIBUTED TO YOUR DISCOMFORT/INJURY? (Check One) [ ] Keyboard/Typing [ ] Stress [ ] Overtime [ ] Hobby [ ] Other (Please Specify Below) 20) WHAT CHANGES HAVE YOU MADE OR ATTEMPTED? AND HAVE YOUR CONDITIONS IMPROVED, WORSENED, OR STAYED THE SAME? (This is probably the most beneficial information) ----------------------------------------------------------- My intent is to enter this information into a database in order to gather information and look for trends. Each month I will share relevant information by posting a monthly summary document titled "Pointing Device Injury Summary Document" in this group similar to what has been done with keyboard information. If you are presently experiencing problems, feel free to call me (510/231-9405) and I will share with you what I know. I am also open for suggestions, please post responses to this basenote or e-mail me if you have any further suggestions or input. If your company has internal bulletin boards, please post this note or provide a pointer telling your co-workers about this basenote in this newsgroup. Finally, if you have any opinions or inputs on a particular pointing device or pointing device design in general, send me a note or call me. Our lab is assisting some manufacturers with the design of their pointing devices. If you have some inputs for a particular company, I will be happy to direct them to the appropriate person. Thanks for your help. Peter W. Johnson -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Pete Johnson | e-mail: petej@garnet.berkeley.edu UCSF-UCB Ergonomics Lab | phone: (510) 231-9405 (Work) | (510) 524-0654 (Home) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Tue Jul 19 20:43:14 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id UAA02270; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:43:12 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jul 94 20:47:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9407200047.AA17348@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2444; Tue, 19 Jul 94 20:46:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3860; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 20:46:21 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2524; Tue, 19 Jul 94 17:46:16 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8650; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:46:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:32:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Pete W. Johnson" Subject: Pointing Device Injury Summary Document X-To: BITNET sorehand To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= POINTING DEVICE SUMMARY DOCUMENT Version 2.0 Last Revised July 18, 1994 Pete W. Johnson University of California Berkeley and San Francisco Ergonomics Laboratory 1302 South 46th Street, Bldg. 112 Richmond, CA 94804 (510) 231-9505 petej@garnet.berkeley.edu Copyright 1994 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ INTRODUCTION As promised here is my regular monthly posting containing a compilation of the information I have collected thus far pertaining to discomfort and injuries related to pointing device use. It is not an extensive or exhaustive report but it should give the reader a good working knowledge about issues surrounding pointing devices injuries/discomfort. What follows are recommendations and not absolutes or laws and principles written in stone. The information contained in this summary is a compilation of what I know about pointing devices. Read this document with discretion and adapt the information to fit your own specific needs. I will post this document monthly and try to update it every few months based on current information and feedback I get from you. To all of you who have responded to my posting - thank you for taking the time out to supply me with information pertaining to your pointing device injury. If you are experiencing discomfort or have an injury which you feel may be related to pointing device use, and have not filled out my questionnaire in my basenote titled "INJURED USING A POINTING DEVICE: READ THIS?" -- please do so. It should be the basenote just above this one. If there are any additions, changes or corrections you would like to see in this document, please e-mail them to me at petej@garnet.berkeley.edu or call me at 510/231-9405. New information not included in previous versions of this document will be contained in brackets "|". |This is an example of lines of text which would contain new |information not in previous versions of this summary. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are basically 6 sections to this document, a table of contents is listed below: Table of Contents ----------------- I. How to Determine if your Injury is Related to Pointing Device Use II. What to do at the First Signs of Pain III. How to go about Getting Treatment IV. Making Changes to your Workarea V. Injuries and Alternative Pointing Devices A. Soreness in the Shoulder B. Soreness in the Fingers, Tendons, and Muscles used to Activate Buttons C Soreness in the Ring and/or Little Finger D. Soreness in the Tendons and Muscles in the Vicinity of the Elbow VI. Computer Workstation Self-Audit Checklist ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ABOUT THE AUTHOR For those of you wondering who I am, I'm working on my Ph.D. in Bioengineering at the University of California - Berkeley and San Francisco. I'm doing research on biomechanical, physiological, and ergonomic factors surrounding computer pointing device design. My goal is to develop an understanding of pointing device operation so pointing devices can be designed to minimize the physical and cognitive (primarily physical) stresses computer operators are subjected to, and thereby reduce the chances for injury. Prior to pursuing my Ph.D., I worked for 3 years at Hewlett- Packard investigating and testing (in an applied fashion) the use of alternative input devices to mitigate injuries associated with computer use. Presently, besides being a student, I am a researcher at the University of California Ergonomics Lab. My present work surrounds physically quantifying mouse usage and operation. I am very interested in most issues surrounding pointing device operation. If you have opinions or ideas for improving pointing device design, are experiencing discomfort or an injury, I would be interested in hearing from or talking with you. I can be reached via e-mail at petej@garnet.berkeley.edu or by phone at 510/231-9405. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I. HOW TO DETERMINE IF YOUR DISCOMFORT/INJURY IS RELATED TO POINTING DEVICE USE If you have an injury to your upper extremities, sometimes it's obvious the discomfort/injury is related to pointing device use and other times it isn't. There are several contributing factors that can cloud the issue. Could your discomfort/injury be from using the keyboard?, from the cursor keys?, from the numeric keypad?, or a hobby outside of work? One indicator that an injury may be related to pointing device use is if it's a unilateral injury. A unilateral injury is an injury affecting one limb instead of two. In the context of pointing device operation, it would be pain, discomfort, or soreness to the hand operating the pointing device. Bilateral injuries (injuries to both hands) are often related to activities both hands are engaging in, such as typing. If you have pain in just one hand (unilateral) look at tasks that the injured hand is doing that the non-injured hand is not. In the context of computer operation this could be the use of the numeric keypad, the cursor arrow keys, the pointing device, the function keys, the escape or other editing keys, etc. Finding the origin of the injury is not always straight forward, often is the accumulation of several events. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= II. WHAT TO DO AT THE FIRST SIGNS OF PAIN Ignoring pain, symptoms or warning signals may complicate the treatment of an injury and/or dramatically lengthen the time for recovery. Computer-related injuries are much easier for health care professionals to treat when the patient sees their care provider in the early phases of an injury. Seek treatment early!! If you are experiencing pain or discomfort, monitor your situation closely. Pain or discomfort that goes away overnight and does not reoccur frequently is more likely fatigue. Pain or discomfort that occurs frequently and/or does not go away is a sign of something more serious. See you doctor!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= III. HOW TO GO ABOUT GETTING TREATMENT I am not a doctor so I am not capable or qualified to give medical advice, however, I can provide some information on the type of doctor you may want to see. When going to see a doctor make sure s/he is a qualified physician and has experience treating work- related repetitive motion injuries. Family doctors or general physicians may not have the proper training and experience in treating people with pointing device injuries effectively. If you can, talk to people in your company or the company nurse (if you have one) and find out which doctors these people have had success with. A group of physicians that should have had relevant training are doctors that are board certified occupational health practitioners. Their training is based on treating people with work-related injuries. Hand surgeons are the other obvious choice. However, it may not be best to see a hand surgeon first off. Some hand surgeons are more likely to recommend surgery as opposed to trying more conservative modalities first. If you see physician and s/he can't help you or conservative treatment fails, then you will most likely be recommended to a hand surgeon. Your doctor may recommend you see a physical therapist. If s/he does, again check around to find out with which therapists people in your area have had success with. Physical therapy may consist of massage, stretching exercise, work hardening, strengthening exercises, and education on body biomechanics. The goal of physical therapy is to treat your symptoms, rehabilitate you, teach you how to do therapy on your own, educate you on how to work properly, and help you get back to work. Physical therapy may take a few weeks to several months depending on the severity of the injury and flare ups. Treatment for pointing device related discomfort/injuries may not always be straight forward and take a fair amount of time for recovery. Try not to get frustrated if you do not see results from your doctor or physical therapist right away. It is not uncommon to have 100% of the pain to go away. Injuries to the soft tissues (tendons, nerves, and ligaments) can be persistent and take a long time to recover. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= IV. MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR WORK AREA Please proceed with caution if you make changes to your workstation based on the contents of this document. What is right for one person may not be appropriate for another. Anytime you make changes to your workstation listen to you body. If you make changes and some or all of the discomfort or soreness goes away, good!.....your probably on the right track. However, if you make changes to your set-up and your condition gets worse, the adjustment you made may not be appropriate. Listen to your body!! As I mentioned earlier, read this document with discretion and adapt the information to fit your own specific needs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= V. INJURIES AND ALTERNATIVE POINTING DEVICES I can't overstress that most often the best remedy for a pointing device injury is rest to the affected limb or area. However, in the working world this may not be possible, often one has to make the best of their present situation. What follows are short discussions, grouped by body location, on what can be done to help mitigate pain or discomfort associated with pointing device use. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A. SORENESS IN THE SHOULDER Shoulder soreness may be related to posture, movement and use of the arm, or other factors. If you are experiencing shoulder pain or discomfort, your workstation set-up may be a factor. Your workstation may be too high, too low, or not oriented correctly. See the "COMPUTER WORKSTATION SELF-AUDIT FORM" at the end of this document for guidance on workstation set-up. Another potential contributor to shoulder pain or discomfort is the repetitive movement of the upper arm associated with pointing device movement. Persons who suspect their shoulder injury is related repetitive upper arm movement may benefit from the use of a trackball (e.g. Kensington or Microspeed). A trackball has the benefit of neutralizing the upper arm during movement by utilizing the smaller finger and forearm muscles to roll the ball. This may reduce the aggravation to the shoulder area due to the reduction of upper arm movement. Three warnings however: First, the trackball uses smaller forearm muscles to produce the movement. Don't just jump right in and use a trackball full-time. You have to gradually work those smaller muscles into shape. You should treat using a new pointing device like preparing for a race; gradually build up your endurance and strength through training. Second, most trackballs (by their design) promote wrist extension. This may or may not be detrimental to you. If you notice some wrist/forearm/elbow soreness, a 3/4" high x 4" wide x 6" long firm foam pad placed in front of the trackball may help to reduce wrist extension. Third, some trackball use the thumb more than a mouse. The thumb is the most important digit on the hand, it should not be overused. Pay particular attention to your thumb and make sure it does not become sore through overuse. Avoid trackballs that use the thumb to roll the ball. The continual switching of the hands between the keyboard and pointing device may also aggravate the shoulder. One unique solution for PC users is the Key Tronic TrakMate. This device is an adjustable wrist rest with a built in trackball (like in MAC Powerbooks). Another factor that can affect arm movement is screen size. People who use large screen monitors may want to increase the speed of their mouse to reduce upper arm movement and the potential for shoulder aggravation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ B. SORENESS IN THE FINGERS, TENDONS, AND MUSCLES USED TO ACTIVATE BUTTONS Soreness in the fingers, associated tendons, and muscles may be due to button use, posture, size of the pointing device, or other factors. Some applications that require extensive dragging (operations where the mouse and button are under a sustained pinch) can cause finger problems as well as applications that require repeated clicking of buttons. If you think the repeated button clicking is the culprit, there are two alternatives: trackballs with foot pedals or devices which require less force to activate the buttons. In the trackball with foot pedals category (this option is for PC and MAC users only), there is one alternative: The Kraft Trackball (619/724- 7146). The foot pedal on Kraft Trackball can be used to take some of the workload associated with repeated button clicking off the fingers. I would recommend you try this device before you buy it. Kraft's trackball design is less than optimal and their foot pedal design is O.K. As far as devices that have low button activation forces, the Microsoft Mouse is one alternative (this option is for PC users only). This 2-buttoned mouse is smaller in size, and to my knowledge has one of the lightest button activation force of the all the commercially available mice. | NOTE FOR MAC USERS | There are many alternative keyboards, mice, and trackballs for | made exclusively for PC's. This use to be a frustration for MAC | owners that wanted to use PC-based devices; this is no longer the | case. There is a product called the Keystone made by Silicon | Valley Bus Company, 475 Brown Road, San Juan Bautista, CA 95045, | (408) 623-2300 that makes a PC to MAC converter for using PC | Keyboards and Microsoft and Logitech compatible serial Mice with | MAC's. Price is $99 plus $6 shipping. Now MAC users can use | most PC-based devices. A word of warning: the hardware will work | but you can't use the PC-based driver software that comes with | the device. For example, if the PC mouse software supports drag | lock you can't use it on the MAC. You would have to find some | MAC-based software that supports drag lock. Keyboards should | work fine. | | NOTE FOR HP WORKSTATION USERS | Many HP workstation owners were frustrated by the fact that they | were limited to using HP input devices (possessing the HP-HIL | interface) and could not take advantage of third party devices; | this is no longer the case. There is a product made by Modular | Industrial Computers, Inc.; 6025 Lee Highway, Suite 340; | Chattanooga, Tennessee 37421; (615) 499-0700 called the HIL-PS/2 | Converter. The device costs $400. This device lets you connect | any PS/2 compatible keyboard or pointing device to your HP | workstation. A word of warning: the hardware will work but you | can't use the functionality of the PC-based driver software that | comes with the device. If you think engaging in repeated continual dragging operations are the culprit, then a device with a drag-lock feature may be of benefit to you. Drag-lock is a feature where when you click on an object, the pointing device or the computer software holds the object for you without requiring the operator to keep the button depressed. The object being held or manipulated is then released when a second click is executed. Most trackballs have a drag-lock button. Be sure your trackball has a drag-lock button before you order. The same warnings apply to trackballs as mentioned in the previous section. Presently only a few mice have drag-lock capability, the only ones I'm aware of are made by Logitech. Two caveats: First, Logitech mice have 3-buttons and may seem too wide for certain users. Second, the buttons on the older Logitech mice may have higher activation forces than your present device. For some, one or both of these factors may make the Logitech mouse difficult to use. If you use a PC with a Microsoft compatible mouse, you could install the Kensington Trackball Expert Mouse 4.0 software driver. This will allow you to program one of the buttons on your existing mouse to have drag-lock. Call Josh Seiden at Kensington (800-535-4242) and he will send you the drivers free! Programs to reduce dragging which are exclusive to MAC users are Power Clicks and Automenu II. Power Clicks is a $3 MAC Shareware program that allows you to remap your mouse button to the keyboard with the ability to program an additional key to perform drag-lock operations. This program is available via anonymous FTP from sumex-aim.stanford.edu under the filename info-mac/cfg/power- | clicks-102.hqx. The second program a $13 shareware program | called Automenu II. What this program does is eliminate the | dragging associated with the pull-down menus in the Apple | operating system. Instead of having to drag down a menu, the | Automenu II program changes the operating environment so once the | cursor goes to the menu area, it automatically displays and locks | the menu down. A demo copy is available using the Veronica file | searching utility within TurboGopher. To purchase a copy | outright, send $13 to Michael Conrad; ATTN: AutoMenus; 377 E. | Eaglewood Ave.; Sunnyvale, CA 94086. If you are not familiar with performing anonymous FTP operations or TurboGopher, then see your site administrator for assistance. Easy access, which is a standard MAC control panel item also has some interesting features. Finally, one last alternative for relieving finger discomfort is to switch hands. Be careful here, based on a fair number of responses from my pointing device discomfort/injury posting, a fair number of people who have switched hands have developed the same or similar injury in the other hand. Switching hands is good, but don't do it cold turkey, gradually build up the strength and endurance in the new hand. If you develop pain in the new hand you may want to switch back to the regular hand, the choice is yours. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C. SORENESS IN THE RING AND/OR LITTLE FINGERS Soreness in the ring and/or little finger may have to do with the size of the pointing device or some other factors. If you have pain in one or both of these fingers, your pointing device may be too large or too small depending on your hand size and the size of the pointing device you are using. For some females and smaller handed individuals, wide pointing devices (greater than 2 1/4" wide) or 3-buttoned pointing devices may be too large to hold comfortably. Switching to a narrower profile mouse like the Original (not new) Microsoft Mouse may help out. For large handed individuals the converse may be true. You may have too small of a pointing device and your hand feels cramped. Here switching to a wider 3-buttoned device may help out. One other alternative is switching to a trackball to eliminate the sustained pinching of the pointing device all together. Also, you may want to look at your mouse acceleration. If you crank up your acceleration and use a wrist-based movement style where you move the mouse using sweeping motions with the hand, you may be holding the mouse with more force because you are constantly lifting the mouse. You may want to slow down the acceleration and move the mouse with your whole arm about the shoulder to reduce the amount of lifting. Pay attention to you shoulder though, you don't want to aggravate it because of the new style. Finally, try and break your habit of always holding the pointing device when you aren't using it. If you are not using the pointing device, let it go. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D. SORENESS IN THE TENDONS AND MUSCLES IN THE VICINITY OF THE ELBOW Elbow soreness may be related to posture, movement and use of the forearm and fingers, or other factors. If you are experiencing elbow pain or discomfort, your workstation set-up may be a factor. Your workstation may be too high, too low, or not oriented correctly. See the "COMPUTER WORKSTATION SELF-AUDIT FORM" at the end of this document for guidance on workstation set-up. Another potential contributor to elbow pain or discomfort is the repetitive movement of the fingers or constantly holding your hand and fingers fixed in one position. Repeated extension of the fingers or constantly holding the fingers suspended over your pointing device may aggravate the tendons at the elbow. If you float your fingers over the device, try to rest them gently on the device surface, this may take some of the load of your tendons. If your wrist is always in extension, then some sort of device to keep your wrist in a straight and neutral position may be of benefit. For trackball users this could be a foam pad in front of the trackball. If you use a foam pad make sure that it is made out of a firm foam and that the pad height matches the toe (front) height of your device. For most people, a 3/4" high x 4" wide x 6" long pad will work. The goal is to have your wrist and forearms in line with each other (straight) so that they lie in one plane. For mouse users, there is a device called the Mouse Shadow (800/329-6944). This device is a wrist pad with wheels so it will move your wrists as you and your mouse move. This is not a product endorsement, I have had no experience with this device. It may work just fine or could be detrimental (due to putting constant compression over the wrist area). If you think your aggravation is due to using a pen stylus, you may benefit by switching to a puck stylus. This will use some different muscles and may give the aggravated muscles a break. Switching periodically between two different classes of devices like from a pen to a puck or vise versa may also help out the situation. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= VI COMPUTER WORKSTATION SELF-AUDIT CHECKLIST INSTRUCTIONS: Circle the correct YES/NO answer for each of the questions. ****************************************************************** * NOTE: The questions you answered NO to are areas you may want * * to change or seek improvements on * ****************************************************************** ___________________________________________________________________ 1. Chair Adjustment ------------------------------------------------------------------- YES NO ...... Is your chair height adjustable? YES NO ...... Is your chair back adjustable up and down? YES NO ...... Is your chair back contoured to support the lower back? YES NO ...... Is there room (1"- 4") between the front edge of the seat pan and the back of your knees? YES NO ...... Do your chair arms interfere with you getting close to your work? YES NO ...... Do your chair arms allow you to sit with your shoulders relaxed and not elevated? YES NO ...... Do your feet rest flat on the floor or are they supported by a foot rest? YES NO ...... Are your knees bent forming approximately a 90 degree or greater angle? To be seated properly in your chair your feet must rest flat on the floor. You should use a foot rest if your chair does not adjust low enough or if your worksurface is too high. The key is to not only have your feet flat on the floor (or supported by a foot rest) but also to have your thighs parallel with the seat pan so your legs form approximately a 90 degree (or greater) angle at the knees. If your chair has an adjustable back up and down with an outward contouring in the lower back of the chair (the lumbar support), adjust the back of your chair so the lumbar support fits in the small of your back. If the chair back is adjustable forward and backward, adjust the angle to what is comfortable for you. The angle you prefer is rather subjective; you should adjust the back angle of your chair so your trunk and upper legs form an angle somewhere between 94 -115 degrees. If your chair has arms they should not interfere with you getting close to your work. In addition, when you assume the typing position with your arms resting comfortably at your side, the chair arms should be at a height where they just barely contact your elbows. The chair arms should not noticeably elevate your shoulders or force you to wing your arms out to use them. ___________________________________________________________________ 2. Worksurface/Keyboard/Pointing Device Adjustment ------------------------------------------------------------------- YES NO ...... With your chair adjusted properly is your worksurface at approximately elbow level? YES NO ...... Are your shoulders relaxed and not elevated when you work at your worksurface? YES NO ...... When you address your worksurface to type or write is there approximately a 90 degree angle between your forearms and upper arms and are your elbows close to your body? YES NO ...... When you address your worksurface to type are your wrists in line with your forearms and not bent upwards, downwards, or side-to-side? For the proper worksurface/keyboard height do the following: if your worksurface is adjustable, first adjust your chair as mentioned in the chair adjustment section above, then with your arms resting comfortably at your side, raise your forearms to form a 90 degree angle with your upper arms. Adjust your worksurface so the home row of your keyboard (the row which has the letters a,s,d.....) is at approximately elbow level. If your worksurface is too high and not adjustable, adjust your chair to bring your elbows to the home row level of the keyboard. If you raise your chair make sure your feet are properly supported. ___________________________________________________________________ 3. Monitor Adjustment ------------------------------------------------------------------- YES NO ...... Is the viewing distance to your computer monitor somewhere between 18"- 30"? YES NO ...... Is the top of your computer screen at or just below eye level? YES NO ...... If your wear bifocals or trifocals, can you see the computer monitor without having to tilt your head back to read the screen or other items in your workarea? YES NO ...... Is your computer monitor free of glare or reflections? Once you have your chair and worksurface height adjusted, adjust your computer monitor so the top of the screen is at or just below eye level. Bifocal and trifocal wearers have to pay particular attention to the placement of their monitor. Wearers of bifocals and trifocals often unknowingly tilt their heads backwards so they can read the screen through the lower portion of their glasses. This can sometimes lead to neck, shoulder, and back discomfort. Potential solutions include either lowering your computer monitor or purchasing glasses designed specifically for working at the computer. If glare is a problem either reorient your monitor or purchase a glare screen. ___________________________________________________________________ 4. WORKSTATION ACCESSORY ARRANGEMENTS ------------------------------------------------------------------- YES NO ...... Is your input device (mouse, trackball, digitizing tablet) at the same level as your keyboard? YES NO ...... Do you have enough room on your worksurface for all your computer accessories? YES NO ...... Are your most frequently accessed items (e.g. phone, manuals, etc.) easy to reach? YES NO ...... Do you have an adjustable document holder to hold paper for prolonged computer inputting? YES NO ...... Do you have a wrist rest to support your wrists in a straight and neutral position? YES NO ...... Do your arms rest on, or contact any sharp or square edges on your worksurfaces? YES NO ...... If a large percentage of your time involves using a phone do you use a phone headset? If you use an input device (mouse, trackball, digitizing tablet, etc.) make sure it is at the same level and at approximately the same distance as your keyboard. Try to keep your pointing device as close to the centerline of your body as possible. Reaching for your input device or having it at a higher level than your keyboard can cause problems. Keyboard drawers or other types of keyboard support devices can increase the amount of desk space but can cause other problems. One problem with keyboard drawers and other types of keyboard supports is that they force you further away from your primary worksurface, put your mouse at a higher level, and force you to reach to use your mouse and other accessories. Another problem with these type of devices is that they often interfere with the thigh clearance under your worksurface. Keep your most frequently accessed items close to you to minimize the amount of reaching you have to do. If you type and reference material from paper you should consider using a document holder or slant board. Place the document holder at the same distance and height as your computer monitor. The document holder will help in keeping your head over your spine and can prevent or relieve neck, shoulder, and back discomfort. A padded wrist rest made out of firm foam will take some of the load off your neck, shoulder, and back muscles; keep your wrist in a straight and neutral position while typing; and keep your arms off the sharp edges of the worksurface. Ideally the wrist rest should be made of a firm foam and constructed so the pad height matches the front (toe) height of your keyboard. Talking on the phone with your neck bent to hold the receiver can cause neck, shoulder, and back discomfort. If you're on the phone a fair amount of time, a phone headset can prevent you from bending your neck and prevent or relieve neck, shoulder, and back discomfort. ___________________________________________________________________ 5. WORK HABITS ------------------------------------------------------------------- YES NO ...... Do you take short and frequent breaks every 20 - 40 minutes? YES NO ...... Do you frequently change body positions while working? YES NO ...... Do you provide your eyes with vision breaks every half hour? YES NO ...... Is overtime work uncommon? YES NO ...... Are you free from deadline situations or experiencing deadline stress? YES NO ...... Are you free from experiencing any pain or discomfort while working? It's very important to take a break from working at your computer every 20 - 40 minutes. Repetitious static work (working at a computer) is very fatiguing on your upper extremities as well as your eyes. Your body needs periodic breaks to rest and recover. Taking a break does not mean you have to stop working, you could make a trip to the copier, talk to a colleague, make some phone calls, etc. It is also very important to change positions periodically. Sitting in one position or leaning on your arms for an extended period of time can interfere with circulation. Moving around can help with circulation and prevent you from putting pressure on one location for an extended period of time. It is often working overtime and the stress of deadline situations that force people to ignore and work through their pain and discomfort. It is very important that once you start to notice some pain or discomfort to be very careful. Pain that goes away over night is usually a sign of fatigue, pain that is continuous and does not go away over night is more serious and should be attended to immediately. Once you detect any pain or discomfort while working see the Health Services people at your site as soon as possible. It is much easier for them to treat you and for you to recover from a pain episode the earlier you are treated. Ignoring pain can lead to serious injury. Finally be careful with what you do outside of work. Repetitive stressful activities outside of work (e.g. home improvement projects, hobbies that require repetitive motion, etc.) can sometimes lead to repetitive motion injuries as well. When working on a new task you should treat it just like preparing for a race. Whenever you engage in a new task gradually build up your strength and endurance, don't just jump right in. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Pete Johnson | e-mail: petej@garnet.berkeley.edu UCSF-UCB Ergonomics Lab | phone: (510) 231-9405 (Work) | (510) 524-0654 (Home) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 01:47:46 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id BAA03432; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:47:45 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 01:02:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9407200502.AA20108@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3545; Wed, 20 Jul 94 01:01:46 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7213; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:01:46 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1291; Tue, 19 Jul 94 22:01:53 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1036; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 22:01:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:01:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jeff DelPapa Subject: HELP! X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Rebecca Koscik's message of Mon, 18 Jul 1994 07:36:06 CDT <199407181236.AA16127@world.std.com> Kurzweil is currently under investigation by the SEC, and has had much of upper management resign lately. There apparently was some "spin" applied to the income numbers, to prop up the stock price. I bought the 3.0 upgrade to the 60K vocabulary, like Susan, I also paid $5k initially, and as a result the 30k v2 to 60k v3 upgrade cost me $195... I am happy that the stuff is cheaper, it means I can suggest it as early intervention. (having said that, the voice system has been the most helpful, and one of the cheapest treatments I have received for my injury) I get a bit better recognition (1 to 2 percent), it eats more memory, (the 60k version wants 12mb itself, less with smaller vocabularies) and I have tried bringing in some big word lists. I have not tried the limited vocabulary option, nor have I used the analysis feature (which I am told is very helpful, but very little of my output is really long enough to make a real difference). The machine I saw dd/win running in had 20mb of memory. They say 16mb is "enough" for windows and a 60K vocabulary, but microsoft says 2mb is enough for windows.. (only true if you are willing to walk rather than run it), minimum memory recommendations are to be taken with a grain of salt, and a hard look at your application mix. (some word processors can be quite small, a relational database can be huge..) Remember, an extra 16mb of memory costs about the same as two doctors visits, or 6 months of anti-inflammatory drugs. If you have been officially declared disabled (even partially), a voice system (like a wheelchair) is a legitimate medical expense in the IRS's eyes. Godzilla currently has 36mb of memory in it, and I usually use about 26 of it (15mb for dragon (lots of private words), 4mb for DV/X, 1 mb for the network, and a few dos sessions since it does multitask, and if I display them on my xterm, I even get to use that feature) Sometimes I even run windows displaying on the xterm, as it was a "back door" to get windows access before the windows version was available). I am planning to move to the windows version as soon as it is avaialable, and I expect my memory requirements to increase, not because the voice system is bigger, but because I will be adding some piggish applications, which currently get a separate computer (Lotus Notes, and an Xterm, whose pixel arrays I expect to swallow big chunks of memory) I have seen the IBM system, it is not truly "hands free" -- the application either has to have special adaptations to use it, or you have to constantly use your pointing device to paste text into it. It is also much smaller in available vocabulary than the same priced entries from dragon or Kurzweil-- (20k words, 2k user words, 60k backing dictionary -- the "32k" number is maximum possible with added "specialized vocabulary modules") If you let it use the delayed recognition feature, it can be quite accurate. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 08:47:09 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA03859; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 08:47:07 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 07:57:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9407201157.AA23337@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4797; Wed, 20 Jul 94 07:57:03 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0972; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:57:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0793; Wed, 20 Jul 94 04:57:10 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3305; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 04:57:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:52:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Carolyn Carleton Subject: Re: HELP! X-To: Jeff DelPapa X-Cc: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: <199407200500.BAA102619@acs3> hi jeff, from reading your message, it seems that you have both kurzweil and dragon dictate on godzilla. could you say why you decided to go for the added expense of having both voice systems? what are the pros and cons of kurzweill vs. dragon? also, can you use them to process your email, and how do you do it? qi From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 10:41:19 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id KAA04135; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:41:18 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:45:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9407201445.AA24964@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6273; Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:44:39 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5079; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:44:39 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1034; Wed, 20 Jul 94 07:44:46 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2242; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:44:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:44:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Injured/Discomfort Using Computer Pointing Device?=>READ THIS X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Pete: I am adding the CIC Handwriter to my product line. This is a pointer which operates like a pen on a notepad. It can be used both as a pointing device and as a note taking device. In the event that you would care to see it (in the event that you haven't already), I would be happy to bring it to your lab; I would also be interested in your feedback. I am also adding the Shadowtech Mouse Shadow to my product line and can show you that as well. If your lab doesn't have one, I can probably supply you with a unit so that you can evaluate it. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 11:18:01 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id LAA04346; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:18:00 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:53:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9407201453.AA25053@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6359; Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:53:11 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5285; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:53:11 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1494; Wed, 20 Jul 94 07:53:18 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2656; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:53:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:52:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jon Simkovitz Subject: Re: Pointing Device Injury Summary Document X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND For anyone looking for the various keyboards mentioned in Pete's online discussion (or the MIC HP-HIL box, Keystone Box, KeyTronic keyboards, etc.), I h supply these and can supply literature pricing. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 12:17:12 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id MAA04445; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:17:11 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:06:13 -0400 Message-Id: <9407201606.AA26055@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7187; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:05:22 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7338; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:05:22 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 6725; Wed, 20 Jul 94 09:05:30 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0062; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 09:05:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:03:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Jeff DelPapa Subject: HELP! X-To: qi@acs.bu.edu X-Cc: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@BROWNVM.brown.edu, qi@acs.bu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: Carolyn Carleton's message of Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 07:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Carolyn Carleton from reading your message, it seems that you have both kurzweil and dragon dictate on godzilla. could you say why you decided to go for the added expense of having both voice systems? No, I am not that rich. I did use the Kurzweil system for half a day. It is a competent system, but not one that is usable with the X technology that I use. what are the pros and cons of kurzweill vs. dragon? Dragon is a more mature system, and a more stable company (I assume, any company will be shaken by the resignation of the president, head of marketing, etc, and a SEC probe). My experience with the support organizations puts dragon clearly ahead. The systems are both quite good, Dragon requires a bit more up front training, but once you have used both of them for about 2 weeks, they do quite well. also, can you use them to process your email, and how do you do it? I just use my normal email interface (rmail), either thru dialup (at home) or on my xterm (at the office). I added private words for the commands (for the most part just single lowercase letters), and use it normally. thus I say [emacs] [rmail] [next message] [delete message] [mail reply] [forward message], etc. qi From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 18:47:16 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id SAA06242; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 18:47:14 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 18:39:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9407202239.AA02003@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1046; Wed, 20 Jul 94 18:39:04 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7484; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1316; Wed, 20 Jul 94 15:39:08 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6072; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 15:39:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 15:37:42 PST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." 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From: R Luke Maze X-To: SOREHAND@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Text item: Text_1 subscribe sorehand luke maze From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Wed Jul 20 19:17:15 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id TAA06337; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:17:13 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jul 94 19:03:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9407202303.AA02378@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1235; Wed, 20 Jul 94 19:02:32 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7967; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:02:31 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2641; Wed, 20 Jul 94 16:02:33 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7400; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 16:02:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 18:59:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "carol (c.l.) waller" Subject: Medication: Daypro? X-To: SOREHAND@ucsfvm.bitnet To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND Does anybody have any experience with Daypro? My hand doc is giving it to me for inflammation, 2 600mg caplets once a day. He says it might work better than Advil which is what I've been using to keep the pain in both my wrists done to a livable level (not great, but at least survivable). I just got it yesterday and was wondering if anyone else has any experience with it for carpal tunnel. ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Carol Waller |Now some people say that you shouldn't tempt fate| |banzai@bnr.ca|And for them, I would not disagree. | |-------------|But I never learned nothing from playing it safe | |BNR, Inc. |I say fate should not tempt me. | |Richardson,TX| - Mary Chapin Carpenter | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 21 08:25:48 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA08302; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:25:47 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Jul 94 08:29:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9407211229.AA11106@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4804; Thu, 21 Jul 94 08:28:50 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7921; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:28:50 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7381; Thu, 21 Jul 94 05:28:58 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3207; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 05:28:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:25:14 EST Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: "stomko@wchester.bitnet" Subject: Medication: Daypro? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND In-Reply-To: note of 07/20/94 19:01 I took Daypro for 1.5 months. It was prescribed for some problems I have from a neck/arm/had problem. After one and one half months, I found that there was 'nothing new'. I stopped taking it. I think the docs believe that this is some sort of new 'miracle' anti- inflammatory. I spoke with my pharmacist who also took it for a sciatic problem, with no results. My information is that you MUST take this drug for 2 weeks (consistnetly) in order for it to get into your bloodstream and make a difference. I stopped taking it and returned to motrin or aspirin...I felt better. Good Luck. - Sue From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 21 08:38:11 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id IAA08316; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:38:10 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Jul 94 08:42:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9407211242.AA11280@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4898; Thu, 21 Jul 94 08:41:34 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8170; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:41:34 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 7894; Thu, 21 Jul 94 05:41:42 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3869; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 05:41:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:38:59 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: Charlene Laue Organization: USF Health Sciences Center Subject: Re: Medication: Daypro? X-To: SOREHAND%UCSFVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND I was taking Daypro for about 4-5 weeks and did not notice any relief. Had to stop when I encountered intestinal bleeding caused by the medication. From <@MITVMA.MIT.EDU:SOREHAND@UCSFVM.BITNET> Thu Jul 21 09:37:59 1994 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu by fenchurch.mit.edu with SMTP id JAA08453; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 09:37:58 -0400 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Jul 94 09:42:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9407211342.AA11963@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5425; Thu, 21 Jul 94 09:41:10 EDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UCBCMSA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9690; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 09:41:08 -0400 Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0999; Thu, 21 Jul 94 06:41:12 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9003; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 06:41:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:54:22 EDT Reply-To: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." Sender: "Discussion of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Tendonitis etc.." From: "Nelson R. Pardee" Subject: Ibuprofen and derivatives. Daypro? To: Multiple recipients of list SOREHAND According to my pharmacist, ibuprofen is the first of a line of chemically similar pain relievers. I was given naprosyn a couple of years ago because it was supposed to be the latest and greatest. At that time, my pharmacist said there were about 30 in this family; some work better for some people and ailments. For whatever it's worth, it only helped me for a couple of weeks. I also found I had to cut the does, spread the doses, and take naprosyn with food so my digestive system could tolerate it. Perhaps Daypro is in this family. Note: your pharamacist can be a great source of information concerning medicine. I go to my corner drug store even though the prices are a little higher because the same guys have been there for 10 years or so and they know my family and talk to me. One of them teaches pharmaceutical courses. --Nelson R. Pardee, Computing Services, Syracuse University -- --120 Hinds Hall, Syracuse, NY 13244-1190 USA (315)443-1079 -- --Bitnet: ACDNRP@SUVM Internet: NRPARDEE@SYR.EDU --